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Geek Culture / dreamweaver & flash your thoughts....

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james1980
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Posted: 28th Feb 2007 05:13
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Been hearing about them(ppl say they there nice to have) 2 programs alot and i've seen flash but never used it just wondering if there worth there price?

Soon im gonna need to pick a animation & web program reason im asking.


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indi
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Posted: 28th Feb 2007 07:03 Edited at: 28th Feb 2007 07:05
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industry standard in many design houses.

packed with extensions to extend any missing features they may have missed out on.
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/exchange/
I have heaps but i guess a good example is one that manages file permissions

plus hundreds more in third party installs

vibrant community with heaps of tutorials all over the web
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=dreamweaver+tutorials&btnG=Search&meta=


built in reference material from Orielly
for CSS ASP PHP JAVA SCRIPT SQL etc..

components are godsend

robust coding environment allowing database connectivity.
built in database connectivity for most common platforms

built in ftp

great site manager

awesome find replace ( code and text or one or the other )

etc.etc.etc.

if you bundle fireworks with your dreamweaver package, you gain a great vector creation tool that ties in very closely to the other products.

also you get freehand which is not so powerful but helps, I would go for illustrator here.
depends on your budget really.

now there is going to be people who will poo poo it and think that its not very good.
they will mention another package, notice how im not comparing it or poo poo ing other products.
they are most probably used to one particular package and love it to death, good on them for doing that, shame on them for poo poo ing.

make sure you invest in the latest after mx2004 so you gain all the new video implementation.
and of course the best thing you should do is when you have a good solid week to play with it, download the 30 day free trial.

http://www.adobe.com/products/dreamweaver/

and thats just dreamweaver

flash goes on and on, but from a game dev point of view its a complete 2d vector package to make your own games as well as what it does on the web in regards to adds and multimedia.

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Torsten Sorensen
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Posted: 28th Feb 2007 07:36
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I use Dreamweaver and Flash, both great tools, well worth the price IMO.

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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 28th Feb 2007 10:01
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The only people at work here who use dreamweaver are those who cant code in HTML.

I've tried using it in the past and it ended up making the job take longer!

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Zappo
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Posted: 28th Feb 2007 11:07
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Have to disagree with you there, Nicholas. I do the majority of my coding by hand (and have taught it at FE level using notepad!) and I still use Dreamweaver. Its a little tricky when you first start using it but stick with it and you soon reap its benefits. For tables and general layouts it creates efficient and tight HTML code. Sure, there are lots of built in code 'assets' for doing things like roll over buttons, navigation menus etc. which are great for beginners or knocking up something quick, but I think the power of Dreamweaver lies in the fact that it lets you easily get to the source and code your own HTML or scripting if you want to. This gives you ultimate power - WYSIWYG and code highlighting!
I have used Dreamweaver and Flash professionally since version 2 (now still using MX so I haven't seen what Adobe have done to it) and cannot recommend it highly enough. I have tried many Web page editors in the past and none of them have come close to Dreamweaver, and there isn't really any competition for Flash at all.
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5Louiz
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Posted: 28th Feb 2007 15:59
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Nobody needs to buy Dreamweaver or any other program just for writing HTML. Dreamweaver is an excellent environment, just like indi described. Buy it only if you are intended to use it much (just like any other rich program)

I use Flash. And I think that it is too cheap.


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Jeku
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Posted: 28th Feb 2007 17:45
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Yah, Dreamweaver is pretty much industry standard, regardless of whether one can write their own HTML. People who use Notepad exclusively need to walk out of the stoneage. There are so many great text editors that are powerful for those that are too proud to admit Dreamweaver is useful

Myself, I can't afford it so I use Crimson Editor.

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spooky
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Posted: 28th Feb 2007 17:49
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Dreamweaver is certainly the best designer that I've used. I do however use the split screen option a lot and swap between editing in design view and code view a lot.

I'm just about to start learn Flash but for 5Louiz to say it is too cheap is wrong. Flash is very expensive, specially in the UK.

Boo!
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VR2
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Posted: 28th Feb 2007 23:15
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I used Dreamweaver and Flash since version 1 way back in the day and kinda grew up on Macromedia. My company brought me every version as they came out, as a matter of course. lots of $$$

Then came "Intradev" (Dreamweaver 4) and it started to become a tool about toys - "autocoding" and all that rubbish. As has been said, great for beginners and to prototype something quickly but otherwise best to be avoided. Still we brought into it.

Eventually I found I was "using" Dreamweaver but hardly even bothered with each new releases "New features", I was happy to stick with only the designer, code editor and FTP window, and with all the extra stuff they kept adding, that meant hardly using it at all (Cold Fusion anyone? Thought not!).

Recently, I downloaded Web Developer Express 2005 from Microsoft, and far from being a tool ONLY for asp.net 2, it is actually also a very good general purpose HTML editor. Not only that, it comes with built in debuggers, including one for Javascript. The "design" aspect of it is not quite at the level of dreamweaver, but if you're more interested in the coding then the debuggers were far more useful.

So over the course of a couple of months I found myself using it in preference to Dreamweaver more and more until eventually I stopped using Dreamweaver altogether.

Did I mention that Visual Web Developer is Free? I'd used DW since V1 and chose a free tool over it for my day to day work!! That's how good VWD is IMHO.

Flash is still way cool though, although may get some competition from WPF/E? I never understood though why they never added DirectX / OpenGL type 3D hardware support as enjoyed by Director developers.
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james1980
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thanks for the replys, it looking good now think im just gonna both.
dreamweaver is perfect for me im a lazy HTML coder ,
and for flash it seems to be married to DW.


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Phaelax
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Posted: 1st Mar 2007 01:26
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Flash 3 was the last version I ever used. There was 1 main flash development forum during that time but its gone offline a long time ago and I can't remember the name of the website. It was a great resource when Flash was still in its early stages. It's changed so much since v3 that last time I tried to take a look at MX or something I was so lost. I'd have to learn it all over again but can't really see myself buying it anytime soon.

When I did use it, I was rather impressed with the overall file size of the swf files.

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GatorHex
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Posted: 1st Mar 2007 01:31 Edited at: 1st Mar 2007 01:36
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Most people don't need the power of dreamweaver and you could find Netscapes little known Composer WYSIWYG web editor if free and all you need.

Give it a try if you're on a budget. It's a shame Netscape are no longer supporting the project i think they dropped it in v8 of Netscape, http://browser.netscape.com/ns8/download/archive72x.jsp Click on the full version, it should be in there.

http://www.KumKie.com http://bulldog.servegame.com
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