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Slow Programmer
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Posted: 4th Mar 2007 01:31
Does anyone have a playstation 3 set-up to run Linux? If so what are your impressions.

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Posted: 4th Mar 2007 01:41
Why not just use a computer instead?


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Posted: 4th Mar 2007 02:22
because the entire point of using Linux is the geekyness factor... and Linux on a gaming console scores pretty high on that scale, even if it's just a PS3.

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Posted: 4th Mar 2007 02:25
it would be an interesting combination.
perhaps free bsd on a ps3 like with ps2 would be a good alternative as well.

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Posted: 4th Mar 2007 02:53
Interesting, I would have thought the PS3 would have heavy copy protection like the XBox 360 limiting this.

However i just read, "IBM said Cell was "OS neutral" and would support multiple operating systems simultaneously" BBC

So you never know maybe Sony will be nice and let us run Linux on it, it would be one more reason to ditch the 360

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Posted: 4th Mar 2007 02:55
Quote: "one more reason to ditch the 360 "


lol@u


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Posted: 4th Mar 2007 03:21 Edited at: 4th Mar 2007 03:33
Antidote, i love the 360, but the paranoid security get on my nerves. It's so paranoid you can't put your own files like mp3 on the hard drive. Who owns it, me or microsoft?

The 360 will happily play your MP3 files but you either have to run your files from a USB memory stick or stream it via Media Player 9 across the network from another PC, why?, a 20Gb hard drive sits there with fek all on it!

I think there is a big untapped market for Consoles that can be upgraded in stages to become a useable PC.

People shouldn't forget, Microsoft got it's OS on nearly all the desktops in the world for one reason, it could be copied!

If only the Linux geeks could get together to define a standard x-Windows interface then maybe it could become more used on the desktop!

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Posted: 4th Mar 2007 03:39
Personally, streaming it from another PC is nicer for me. Why would I fill up my 360 hard drive with music when I can easily have all of my music play from my PC? It's easy to setup, works well, and what's the point of a console if it's just a PC? Consoles are for games. Yes the multi-media stuff is nice, but it should never become a PC. Sorry, but your argument is very weak.


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Posted: 4th Mar 2007 03:49
@GatorHex: If you think that is the only reason why it isnt big on the market, you have MUCH to learn of linux. The x-windows interface "standard", is basically KDE plus for less resource use ICE. The main problem with linux is its very small support of DX games, its non-support of Office (no matter how you put in OO, MS Office is what companies want), its MANY MANY distros (How Ironic that linux users complain about the different versions of vista..if you think of vista as the core linux version (like 2.6.x)), its lack of manufacture support, and its setup complexity. The interface is far,far down the list, as it is very nice.

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Posted: 4th Mar 2007 04:00
Sony's website linked me to this site (Yellow Dog Linux). That is how I became interested.


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What is it with people installing an OS onto a console, I can see how it's a challenge as a geek, but mind you, for me installing Linux onto a PC would be a challenge If you want to make yourself useful, install Linux onto a PS3, Windows Vista onto an Xbox 360 and MacOS X onto a Wii, if you do that, then you'll have all of the geeks in the world worshipping you

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Posted: 4th Mar 2007 11:44 Edited at: 4th Mar 2007 11:46
I know linux have the server market sown up, (66% over 33% in web servers, and even more on the Enterprise)I'm just saying while Microsoft have made it near impossible to copy their OS on the desktop there is a gap in the market for a free desktop system, but the first thing they need to do is standardise the GUI.

As for games if Quake/Open GL can run on Linux there's nothing stopping games development other than the OS is not on enough Desktops to make it proffitable.

As for not turning consoles in to PCs, you have to understand Bill Gates is fighting a war for the media PC in your living room. In the future it will will probably control all your music and video as well as all your gaming. I realy don't want to pay a subscription to the Gates foundation every year if i can help it! There is a reason it is trying to keep Linux off the 360 box... its your freedom!

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Posted: 4th Mar 2007 13:38 Edited at: 4th Mar 2007 13:40
Quote: "The x-windows interface "standard", is basically KDE plus for less resource use ICE.
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Eh? The X-Windows server originated in the 80's in MIT, and has nothing or little to do with KDE (in terms of what it is). The windows manager simply pushes around the stuff X gives it, it doesn't mean X is KDE. You would of done better to mention twm

Quote: " The main problem with linux is its very small support of DX games, its non-support of Office (no matter how you put in OO, MS Office is what companies want)"


It natively has no support of DX what-so-ever, so 'little' is an exaggeration as such. And Wine can run most versions of Office flawlessly anyway. I'd also disagree with the 'MS Office is what companies want'


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Posted: 4th Mar 2007 18:45
Sorry, gets confusing sometimes, On first one.

On the second, I *know*, but there is crossover and a few other platform apps that support DX, so it has a little. On the last part, you are 99% wrong. I work with companies, and have designed many sites, and almost 90% of the databases I have transfered into sql are from access. Many, many companies are using infopath now, as it is an easy way to make forms and documents to be printed ( such as contracts), and to put them online.

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Posted: 4th Mar 2007 21:01
Quote: "As for not turning consoles in to PCs, you have to understand Bill Gates is fighting a war for the media PC in your living room. In the future it will will probably control all your music and video as well as all your gaming. I realy don't want to pay a subscription to the Gates foundation every year if i can help it! There is a reason it is trying to keep Linux off the 360 box... its your freedom!"


Actually it's to keep you from grabbing the save files, movies, and tv shows off of your 360. Also it's a GAME CONSOLE!


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I found it to be a problem with my Megadrive as well. The games were good, but you couldn't play MP3s off the hard drive.

I really regret upgrading to an SDTV.

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Posted: 4th Mar 2007 21:39
Quote: "it's a GAME CONSOLE!"

I thought the fact that it's turning into a media centre was one of the selling points? With that in mind, not being able to play MP3s of the hard drive is a silly restriction.

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Quote: "I'd also disagree with the 'MS Office is what companies want'"


Actually in every single office I've ever worked in (both small (under 5 employees), medium (200 employees) to large (1500+ employees)) we've had licenses for MS Office. It's the standard in every office environment I've ever had the pleasure of working, regardless of whether it's the best.

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Quote: "I thought the fact that it's turning into a media centre was one of the selling points? With that in mind, not being able to play MP3s of the hard drive is a silly restriction.
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But this still doesn't answer the question of why you would want them on there anyway. Since the streaming from a PC works perfectly fine and the point of the hard drive is to store XBLA games, demos, save files, and whatever TV shows or movies you download, what's the point of filling it up with mp3s?


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Posted: 5th Mar 2007 04:48
dunno, maybe the hassle of having to have a PC on and networking the two. Hey, I don't even have a TV, much less an XBox360, what do I know?!

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Quote: "Does anyone have a playstation 3 set-up to run Linux? If so what are your impressions. "


The Playstation 3 unlike the Playstation 2 comes with Linux and all of the software required for a computing platform pre-installed and easily accessible with a button combo on boot.

Something you might find interesting that the Playstation 2, Playstation Portable consoles also run on Linux OS variants. Albeit both of theirs are very cut-down, but it's all Linux under the hood. It's why often it doesn't take very long for distro's to be edited to be used on those platforms.

More interestingly is "Cell" will happily run on any PPC-based OS.
Sony are set to release a Linux Kit similar to the one for the PS2 which was only sold in Europe in order to back up it's ridiculous claim that it was a "Computer" rather than an entertainment console.

Quote: "There is a reason it is trying to keep Linux off the 360 box... its your freedom!"


Or it could be that they had their own OS that they could use on their hardware without hundreds of man-hours redeveloping it for specific hardware given it already ran on the hardware .. and pretty damn well to boot.

While sure Linux runs less overhead than Windows generally speaking, the fact is that the drivers especially for top-end hardware often are very under-developed. Despite having direct hardware access, the performance often ends up being far more disappointing.

Good example of a game on both Linux and Windows is Unreal Tournament 2004. Check out the performance difference if you ever have a chance.. fact Microsoft went with Windows over Linux was nothing to do with "taking away freedom" but simple because a) it's theirs', b) it has a more mature development pipeline, c) development apis' are almost identical to windows, d) it has more mature drivers, e) it is a proven stable system with the given hardware, f) DirectX and XAPI = quicker, easier development, g) cross-platform developments, h) better optimised drivers, etc.

I could go on for quite a while, but put simply right now Windows is a far better platform for not just games development; but also usability, which is essencial for a good OS.

Not to be funny about the PS3, but they could've done better with the menu system given how much there is to use. The menu works on the limited PSP, but on the PS3 it's too limiting.
Personally I found the menu system on the GameCube (also ran on Linux) to be fairly good.

You know why MacOSX and Linux loose out heavily on the desktop, it's because of games and ease of use. Linux' problem is because there is no stable planned version designed specifically for users rather than trying to play catch-up with Windows. MacOSX because it's limited to expensive Macs' and the development APIs don't really hold a candle to DirectX, especially not 10.

Development for the PS2, PSP, and/or PS3 honestly is not something programmers ever will jump out of bed in the morning looking forward too. Don't get me wrong you get more power at you're fingertips, but tbh the APIs or rather lack there-of often means two options to develop something within a timeframe.
"Middleware" or Less Features.

The PS2/PSP just don't have enough there for low-level development to make sense; the dual-thread gpu pipeline could've quite easily have had it wrapped to the OpenGL 1.4/2.0 Shader System.. but no. Given most of what you use the second pipeline for is screen-effects it does seem extremely weird this was never considered an option by Sony. What's worse is for the PS3 you don't even get the template libraries the PS2 got, because developers wanted some more low-level control so rather than providing a balance Sony went from one extreme to another. There is just too much in the PS3 for this to make rational sense to do.

It's annoying when you see key mistakes like these being made but know there isn't a thing you can do about any of it. So oh well.

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pppft love those ravenisms.

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@indi - What part(s) do you not understand/believe? Just wondering.

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Actually, I am almost sure that most of what raven said was true.

pleading and needing and bleeding and breeding and feeding exceeding..where is everybody? trying and lying defying denying crying and dying..where is everybody?
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Quote: "There is a reason it is trying to keep Linux off the 360 box... its your freedom!"

My point is, I paid for the hard drive i should be able to store what i feel like storing on it, because it's MY harddrive!. If MS started telling us all what we could use our PC hard drives for, you would soon find a new market for the Linux desktop.

Quote: " The main problem with linux is its very small support of DX games, its non-support of Office (no matter how you put in OO, MS Office is what companies want)"

There is no support of DX in Linux I'm sure because the MS legal team won't let any other OS use it. Realy there is no reason why games developers couldn't use Open GL (what Quake used) and dual develop. As for Office there are loads of Office Packages for free on Linux that can read and write MS formats so why pay £100-200 + another £100 for the OS, companies might as well be throwing money away

I've always wondered why Dell and other big brands don't offer their systems with Linux and knock the MS tax off the price. I can only guess something anti-competative, I wouldn't put it past them



If anyone wants to try Linux without any fuss or mess (no linux partitioning on your hard drive) to their computer I can recommend..

Knoppix, http://www.knoppix.org, boots and runs from a CD or DVD (big download but has loads of software to play with)

Damn Small Linux Embedded, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/download.html
runs from inside Windows from an embedded exe, very small download (50mb) so less software but still pretty nice.

Could be useful for anyone who don't like Microsoft recording thier browser history for the FBI!



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They already tell us what to do with it.

On the second part you have no idea what your talking about.... openGL is a far worse system than DX, which includes many libs, such as the audio lib, ect. The office knock offs dont scratch 07.

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Quote: "On the second part you have no idea what your talking about.... openGL is a far worse system than DX, which includes many libs, such as the audio lib, ect. The office knock offs dont scratch 07."

What? How can you compare a graphics API to something which encompasses more than just a graphics API? Or are you refering to the idea of the systems in general?

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Sorry, should have defined that, the idea in general. I think that a complete library system is a lot better in general for tool sets. And the fact the the DX3D engine is also a lot more advanced than the OGL engine might help...

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Don't tell the guy he doesn't know what he's talking about if you're going to compare oranges and lemons.

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Uhm, what are you talking about, lol? What guy..

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The main reason I am considering Linux on a PS3 is that I have become very interested in alternatives to Microsoft operating systems. Unfortunately, right now I have to use XP due to the business software I run not supporting any other operating system. I may try Knoppix though For what it is worth I found this on Yahoo news a few minutes ago:

BOSTON (Reuters) - Dell Inc. (NasdaqELL - news) is considering offering the Linux operating system as an alternative to Microsoft Corp.'s (Nasdaq:MSFT - news) Windows on its personal computers, a Dell spokesman said on Tuesday.

The PC maker said it received more than 100,000 customer requests for Linux in a "suggestion box" posted on Dell's Web site less than three weeks ago.

"We are listening to what customers are saying about Linux and taking it into consideration," said Dell spokesman David Lord. "We are going forward. Let's say, 'Certainly stay tuned."'

Linux is an open-source operating system that is generally available for free and can be used to run most computers, including Dell's PCs.

Dell does not break out how much it charges for Windows when it calculates the cost of a computer system, but a basic upgrade version of the software generally retails for $99.

The only operating system that Dell currently offers on its PCs is Windows, with one exception, Lord said. It sells high-end Linux desktops designed specifically for use in oil and gas exploration, he said.

Making Linux available on other Dell PCs has been the top request since the Web site was launched on February 16, according to data posted on the site, as of Tuesday evening.

The second most popular request was that Dell offer another popular free software title, OpenOffice, which competes with Microsoft Office programs including Word, Excel and PowerPoint.
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Dual boot on a PC???


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Quote: "Could be useful for anyone who don't like Microsoft recording thier browser history for the FBI!"


Um, no. Browsing the net inside of Linux does not make it anonymous

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Quote: "Dual boot on a PC???"


It's not a dual boot it's a virtual machine inside another OS like wot super computers use to share out uber CPU's

Quote: "Um, no. Browsing the net inside of Linux does not make it anonymous "


Nothing is fully anonymous but I'm just suggesting browsing in a VIRTUAL MACHINE
which loses all its settings when you power off is a bit better than IE & Firefox
recording you browsing history in the windows registry along with all the cache files and cookies stuff too.

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Quote: "It's not a dual boot it's a virtual machine inside another OS like wot super computers use to share out uber CPU's"

Sounds slow.

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It's not too bad, I can run about 4-5 virtual linux boxes before i notice much slow down.

I've sourced it for an Assignment I'm doing. I've gota simulate a HA (High Availability) cluster so the data is seperate
to the server and when one linux servers dies the services seamlesly get taken over by another server.

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Quote: "It's not a dual boot it's a virtual machine inside another OS like wot super computers use to share out uber CPU's"


I wasn't commenting on your lack luster post. No in fact I was commenting on Slow Programmers post where he was talking about basically using his PS3 as a computer with Linux on it while using windows for Office. Instead I suggested just dual booting.

You mention Windows recording your browser history for the FBI. First off, storing in the registry does not mean recording for the FBI. I SERIOUSLY hope that was a joke. Regardless, if you're worried about the FBI looking where you're going, I suggest not using the internet because they won't look at your history, but rather where you are right now.


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Quote: "I wasn't commenting on your lack luster post"

You should look at your own posts, they usualy add nothing to the debate and just border on the plain rude most of the time.

Quote: "I SERIOUSLY hope that was a joke."

No it wasn't. Very few people know that Windows OS has a hidden index.dat file that holds a record of ALL the websites you have ever visited
even if you have cleaned out your browsing history it still remains. This is what law enforcment use to prove a case against you. I'm not suggesting
anyone does anything illegal I just don't like spyware, an your boss could be using it to see if you have visited any job websites and such

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How would Windows hold your browsing history?

Surely the browser would have to...?

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Quote: "No it wasn't. Very few people know that Windows OS has a hidden index.dat file that holds a record of ALL the websites you have ever visited"

Really strange, because I just did a system search and found nothing.

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Quote: " Index.dat are files hidden on your computer that contain all of the Web sites that you have ever visited. Every URL, and every Web page is listed there. Not only that but all of the email that has been sent or received through Outlook or Outlook Express is also being logged. The file names and locations depend on what version of Internet Explorer you have. If you are running IE version 4.0 or above, the file name is "index.dat". Microsoft has not supplied an adequate explanation as to what these files are for or why they have been hidden so well.

According to Microsoft, these files are used to cache visited Web sites to help speed up the loading of Web pages in Internet Explorer. Obviously this cannot be the case because when you clear the Temporary Internet Files the "index.dat" files remain behind and continue to grow. If you delete or clear the Temporary Internet Files, there is absolutely no need to index the URL cache because those files no longer exist.

On a Windows 9x computer these files are located in the following locations:
WINDOWSCookiesindex.dat
WINDOWSHistoryindex.dat
WINDOWSTemporary Internet Filesindex.dat
WINDOWSCookiesindex.dat
WINDOWSHistoryindex.dat
WINDOWSTemporary Internet Filesindex.dat

In Windows 2000 and Windows XP there are several "index.dat" files in these locations:

Documents and Settings<Username>Cookiesindex.dat

Documents and Settings<Username>Local SettingsHistoryHistory.IE5index.dat

Documents and Settings<Username>Local SettingsHistoryHistory.IE5MSHist012001123120020101index.dat
Documents and Settings<Username>Local
SettingsHistoryHistory.IE5MSHist012002010720020114index.dat

Documents and Settings<Username>Local
Internet FilesContent.IE5index.dat



Index.dat files can be very hard to find. If you are in Windows, even with "Show hidden files and folders" enabled, index.dat files are not visible and cannot be found if you do a search for index.dat files. The reason that these files are so invisible is that they are not just hidden, they have been designated as "system" files. System files and folders are treated differently in DOS and Windows and are effectively cloaked from casual searches.
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Posted: 8th Mar 2007 21:50 Edited at: 8th Mar 2007 21:50
They aren't "very hard" to find. I found them straight away with hidden files and folders on (well, after realising what I was looking for). Unfortunately the contents can't exactly be read because they are binary files..

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Posted: 8th Mar 2007 22:54
Surely that's IE not Windows.

How can Windows save stuff from Firefox?

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Posted: 9th Mar 2007 01:14 Edited at: 10th Mar 2007 12:03
Quote: "Unfortunately the contents can't exactly be read because they are binary files"


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Quote: "Surely that's IE not Windows. How can Windows save stuff from Firefox?"


I can't say 100% for sure, because I have a bad memory and I did this long time ago, but I think if you try to make your own browser and complile using windows .dlls / .net it does the same thing. I'm pretty sure I wrote mine in Delphi (a non MS product and it did it) so maybe it's picking this info up from traffic going to the network card I'm not sure, I didn't test for that

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Posted: 10th Mar 2007 05:18
Anyone know of a *nix that runs on PSP...I would love to be able to do simple things like edit text files, draw quick pictures, and be able to browse websites without "out of memory" errors...

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