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Geek Culture / Looking to start a new business..

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Oneka
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Posted: 4th Mar 2007 21:12
Hello everyone,

I am looking to start a new business that I would be doing from home..

I am just here to collect some feedback upon which the TGC community can provide I hope

I am thinking about starting a DVD duplicating and printing business and will move on from other things later..

I would be able to handle the following

DVDs
CDs
Thermal color printing onto CDs and DVDs of an image that the buyer requests
DVDs Cases
CD/DVD Jewel Cases
DVD Case label printing
CD/DVD Jewel Case printing

In the future if I have success I will try to support
-Booklet printing
-Inkjet printing (cheaper than thermal)
-Next day express (print and send on the same day)
-Custom CD/DVD shapes

I am still researching and gathering information but I think the charge will be..

F - Full package (Case (DVD case or Jewel Case), Color CD/DVD Print, DVD or Jewel Case label)

1 - 2.50 Per CD/DVD F
10 - 2.25 Per CD/DVD F
100 - 2.00 Per CD/DVD F
1000 - 1.85 Per CD/DVD F
10000 - 1.50 Per CD/DVD F

This is a rough pricing plan that I thought of and I will be changing it in time, will try to keep a low price

Also, I would hope to give a discount to the TGC community, I dont know how much but it would be a good deal

Please post any information or suggestions because they are greatly needed

Thanks


Making better games everday!
Oh yeah and just so you know its Oh-nek-a not One-ka!
The admiral
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Posted: 4th Mar 2007 21:48
Sounds interesting especailly for us who want to go it alone and self distribute our product. Would you ever consider burning the information as well onto the discs?

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Oneka
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Posted: 4th Mar 2007 23:10
What do you mean? Like have alittle section that advertises my work?, I could do something like that and reduce the price by a degree..

But yeah, my plan is to be able to have a buyer send in a master copy and a digitial print of what they want the cases to look like and from there is where I would step in

So I would just need those two and I would copy the master how ever many times you needed me to..




Making better games everday!
Oh yeah and just so you know its Oh-nek-a not One-ka!
LD52
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Posted: 4th Mar 2007 23:25
Is this for publishers or the public ?
Steve J
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Posted: 4th Mar 2007 23:26
I'd be really interested in this. Much better for Demo stuff at work, though once we update to vista, the need would be gone...(Meeting Place program)

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Oneka
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Posted: 4th Mar 2007 23:34
@LD52

I dont quite understand what you ment, but I will try to answer to the best I can.

I would be duplicating and printing CDs and DVDs for the person who needs them.

When the process is finished, I will send the packaged CDs or DVDs back to the buyer or a specific address. I will be able to send within the U.S. and outside of the U.S.


Making better games everday!
Oh yeah and just so you know its Oh-nek-a not One-ka!
Agent Dink
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Posted: 5th Mar 2007 00:09
Sounds very cool to me If I ever finish something, and you set up your business, I'll get in contact with you.

I have no signature...
LD52
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Posted: 5th Mar 2007 00:54
I mean like for mass producing like games such as like supposedly EA games (a publisher) comes and asks you to do the cd and cd case design and printing for them ? Will you do that ?

OR

Some random person called Bob comes up to you and asks you just to design 1 cd and cd case for him.

OKay so like will you be working for big companies like EA or the public like normal people with average jobs who need a nice design on their 1 music cd or 1 game cd or somethinG ?
Xander
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Posted: 5th Mar 2007 02:20
Sounds like you could get into some serious legal issues...but good luck with your business! And as for choosing a price, make sure you first figure out exactly how much the entire process will cost you, then add on a certain percentage. You don't want to accidentily charge them less than it costs you. Remember to factor in case, disc, paper, ink, and time costs.

Xander Moser - Bolt Software - Firewall
indi
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Posted: 5th Mar 2007 02:31 Edited at: 5th Mar 2007 02:34
That field requires a fair amount of knowledge into print design.

This means you will require adobes Indesign and a good grasp of what it takes to prep files for a printer. Photoshop and Illustrator will be apart of your staple diet for creating and converting clients media. Pantone colour sets

http://images.google.com.au/images?source=ig&hl=en&q=pantone%20colour%20set&btnG=Google+Search&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi

which are not cheap, as well as a good idea of what paper materials and gsm grades do for you in creating the printed media. Rasterising, Ink Trapping, and markup registration will be common usage words you will come across in the design stage and print out stage.

Inkjet work is in no way acceptable in todays marketplace for print media, they are rips you do for the client to see what is possible. Your going to have to [A] Find a few great print run companies, more then one to keep them honest [B] as well as a few places that replicate the media on mass.

Laser Printers are fairly cheap in todays market place, however its best for larger runs to be printed on a much larger printer.

Your going to have to buy a calibrator for both lcd and crt monitors.
Akin to this gadget that sticks to the monitor, its not cheap.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000078WVW/drycreekphoto-20/

and you want a multi screen one. LCD / CRT
If you dont you will lose money each time you do a print run as the colours wont be correct.

It works with adobe products on Windows but its so much more viable to use MACOSX for this type of colour correction and compatibility.

Your going to need a nice beastly machine to make the design process faster.
Your going to need a A2 guillotine if your going to cut the printed media in house.
Your going to need a decent backup system when working with vast amounts of media for print.
Your going to need an accounting package like quick books or myob. quickens product at the moment its much easier and customizable for smaller business.
Dual burn system, as well an operating system from both sides if the client only has mac or windows based files, or rely on windows to open on mac operating systems etc..
et-cetera / et-cetera / et-cetera / et-cetera

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Posted: 5th Mar 2007 04:28
@LD52 I would do both, but I doubt that I would have any major company wanting me to dup some CDs

@Xander, yes I have already research the major costs and how much per print it would cost me, and still looking into the legalties of it I wouldnt do stuff like Bootleg anyway xD

@indi, Thats why I am still researching about the topic
My first thought about it was to start off doing printing using Ribbons and a thermal as they are the best quality unless I am wrong, Inkjet and Lasers would be for a cheaper alternative. The nice robotic thermal I am looking at runs at about $7.8K but its nice..

Also, I am in the process of building another machine on the side that can do but is not ment for it, Intel Core 2 Extreme Quad core, 1.25 TB HDD (5 250 raid), 2x 8800 GTX 768MB 16x SLI, 4GB ram, still debating to try Vista or stick with XP..

But thanks for the information I need as much as possible, but I am mainly looking for the demand before I seriously think of making that investment...


Making better games everday!
Oh yeah and just so you know its Oh-nek-a not One-ka!
Jeku
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Posted: 5th Mar 2007 07:10
Try looking at the competition. Here in Vancouver you can get thousands of duplicates made for *very* cheap because they have machines designed simply for copying CDs--- i.e. burn 100s at a time.

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Posted: 6th Mar 2007 01:31
Quote: "@LD52 I would do both, but I doubt that I would have any major company wanting me to dup some CDs "


Kool .. yea if your company starts off well who knows Bill Gates himself will ask you to make a copy of one of his discs!!!
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Posted: 6th Mar 2007 09:08
Quote: "Your going to need an accounting package like quick books or myob. quickens product at the moment its much easier and customizable for smaller business."


A good old spreadsheet works for me

indi
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Posted: 6th Mar 2007 10:02
yeah right mate. when the tax man comes looking for receipts 5 years old and audits you, i salute the look on your face.

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Posted: 6th Mar 2007 15:19
eh? sometimes you need to think before making strange remarks like that.

so how pray tell, would there be a problem? A business can be run with paper and pencil as long as it is organised. Or are you assuming I lack organisation?

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Posted: 6th Mar 2007 15:53 Edited at: 6th Mar 2007 15:54
In australia, you need an invoice, that invoice must be retained for 5 years legally.
It shows the name of each participant, the amount issued, the gst etc..

Usually its a printed document, If i gave someone a pencil and paper invoice they would laugh at me.

Although that gives me an idea, handwritten illustrated letter headers photocopied with a real invoice layout at the bottom by an accounting package.

Pencil and paper creates more hassle for you at tax time and your accountant if you have one.
Please dont suggest its easier then Quicken, I know from experience its not.
Showing the tax man your pencil work is great if you want to get audited.

If you are just starting out you will need an invoice book, never seen one myself written with a pencil, usually a biro accompanied with a stamp. yeah retro blue ink paper to print it in triplicate, you know those invoices fade over time creating more hassles.

Any purchase you buy from a store is going to be in pencil as well.

1 x Panasonic 42 inch plasma screen $1700, "heres your hand written receipt sir".

"thanks!, let me add that to my red ledger "licks pencil" 1 x 43...
dammit, have you got an eraser?

"this is an electronics store sir."

Since you put it that way, yes i am suggesting that in 2007 as well as being a programmer that you would suggest a pencil and paper over a digital spreadsheet / accounting package and a printer instead of a pencil.

Seriously if you wanted to play it even smarter you would set up a credit card for the business and run it completely off that, in turn all the spenditure is recorded digitally for your record keeping and accountant and you earn flybys or rewards. you have 55 days to pay off the card allowing your business to breathe if something goes wrong etc.etc.

No wait lets write I.O.U's on paper pfft.
lol, pencil and paper, you crack me up mate.

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Posted: 6th Mar 2007 16:12
Lol you crack me up with your over the top attempts at sarcasm

I said a business CAN be run with a paper and pencil. And it CAN.

Naturally invoices and remittances need some degree of professionalism however hand written receipt books are a perfectly legitimate way of doing business .

FYI my invoices are printed unless I am on site and paid in cash, I then write one out.(though you might expect me to carry a pc in my back pocket). As I said my cash in and cash out are all laid out in spreadsheet form and my receipts are all filed away. Add to that a complete list of my banking transactions and I see no reason to fear an Audit and no reason to use an accounting package other than a spreadsheet. And my accountant feels no differently.

So please for once, put aside your snidey remarks and admit that some people do things differently to you. Accept it and move on, go on, be a man my son.


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Posted: 7th Mar 2007 00:43
Yah I agree--- I do all of my accounting with my own web-based forms. I save money, and still have accurate records of what comes from where/gets spent where, etc. And yes, this is for my part-time web programming business.

Handy for tax time (i.e. now)

You don't *need* to use MYOB or something like it if you have a business.

indi
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Posted: 7th Mar 2007 08:23
good luck with that Oraculaca, kudos to you and your mighty pencil !

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Posted: 7th Mar 2007 10:02
What I ment is would you do the whole print/ produce cd and then burn the games onto the cd??

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