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Benjamin
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Posted: 18th Mar 2007 20:28 Edited at: 18th Mar 2007 20:30
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Quote: "it's a far more realistic account of the battle"

You do realise it's a fictionalized account of the battle? Therefore it doesn't matter how close to the actual one it is.

Quote: "SOME americans want britain bombed. dont deny it."

But why?

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Quote: "edit: all this stuff i've been reading in you're posts about brits hating america and not the other way around. I've seen videos, where british/australian journalists go to the states, and people say that britain should be bombed next, and then scarily point to it on a map when being asked to point to iraq/israel/afghanistan etc. so there. SOME americans want britain bombed. dont deny it."


Oh. My. God. Your retarded on MULTIPLE scales if you don't realize that these things are 90% of the time scripted, or faked. They also don't show the SMART americans, or the NORMAL americans, they just show the absolute STUPID americans. Its media, get used to it.

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Quote: "They also don't show the SMART americans"

It's probably hard to find them.



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Thats funny, because last time I checked, America only had a bad education system, not a bad amount of intelligent people. I mean, Intel, AMD, Asus, many engineering companies, Microsoft, and all these places that have their coders/designers/engineers here, CAN'T mean we have any smart people...

Though I do admit it is our fault that outsourcing occurs in factory positioned jobs=P

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Posted: 18th Mar 2007 21:28
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Quote: "No, he made it up."


Nah, it's a quote from some crazy spoof I saw aeons ago, but I can't for the life of me remember what it is


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Quote: "Instead of climbing with his legs, like you are supposed to, he jumps and catches a rock with one arm, pulling himself up with physics more unrealistic than Mission Impossible"


Would you prefer he jumped and caught the rock with his legs? I don't really see the unrealistic part, since any physically fit human should be quite capable of pulling themselves up with just their arms.


Oh, and France is any better Benji?

Every country is going to have their smart people and retards. As for the so-called journalists, there's no story of interest for them if they interview the non-retards. Don't judge the rest of us based on the trashy people you see on Jerry Springer or something.

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Quote: "Oh, and France is any better Benji?"

I guess you missed the smilies.

Anyone with a fraction of a brain cell would know that each country has its smart people.

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Quote: "Don't judge the rest of us based on the trashy people you see on Jerry Springer or something."


Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!


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Yea, America has Jerry Springer show, Europe gets Top Gear, its just not fair!

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Posted: 18th Mar 2007 21:48
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Quote: "Quote: "it's a far more realistic account of the battle"
You do realise it's a fictionalized account of the battle? Therefore it doesn't matter how close to the actual one it is."


yes, yes

i was meerly saying, for anyone who wanted to see such a film.

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Quote: "i was meerly saying, for anyone who wanted to see such a film."

Suuuuure.

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Posted: 18th Mar 2007 22:12
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Quote: "I've seen videos, where british/australian journalists go to the states, and people say that britain should be bombed next, and then scarily point to it on a map when being asked to point to iraq/israel/afghanistan etc. so there. SOME americans want britain bombed. dont deny it."

It's called propaganda. I personally have never met anyone that stupid, and I think the people like that deserve to be bombed themselves. You can find idiots in every country, just because they don't show the other 99% of people they interviewed because they were normal doesn't mean they don't exist. I don't deny that some American's want Britain bombed, but a) They are hillbillies who have are clueless to the world outside of their trailer, and b) They have no idea what they are talking about and are completely uneducated, unlike the other 99% of the US . I bet you there are more Brits who want to bomb America, than American's bomb Britain. My point is, overall, MOST American's don't hate the British, but it does seem that most Brits hate American's (or, like I said, the American government, and so therefore the American people) .


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Posted: 18th Mar 2007 22:35 Edited at: 18th Mar 2007 22:36
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The reason I hate this movie so much is it summarizes everything I dislike about almost all movies made since "The Matrix", from "Alien v.s Predator"'s freeze-frame-shot of a facehugger to a bad guy in Mission Impossible trying to slit Tom Cruise's neck with surgical precision, using a helicoptor rotor...as he's flying it through a tunnel.

Older action movies, where a punch was a punch, and didn't send the victim flying 20 feet only to get up and dust themselves off, were much more intense.

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I just saw it, and I loved it.



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Quote: "You can find idiots in every country, just because they don't show the other 99% of people they interviewed because they were normal doesn't mean they don't exist."


yes but you were talking about america and britain, not every country

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Quote: "using a helicoptor rotor...as he's flying it through a tunnel."


I heard the helicopter in that movie was too big to even fit in the tunnel
And the guy in the cockpit is just a billboard..

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I almost fell asleep during 300, and I was very annoyed that they had English accents. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this because they believe North Americans can't tell? Maybe the majority of us think everyone back then spoke with an English accent, and it sounds more intelligent, etc. etc.? They are basically telling us we're stupid--- thanks.

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Posted: 19th Mar 2007 04:28
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Unless they...um are English maybe...just maybe...

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Posted: 19th Mar 2007 04:48
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Um, the Spartans were not English.

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Haha sorry, I meant the actors...

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I don't think it's that most of us couldn't tell; it's just that we don't care one way or another. I went to enjoy the movie, not pick apart it's historical accuracy or ridicule the way the King climbed a small cliff. I have a B.S in History, for what it's worth; but I can still sit back and enjoy a good flick now and then.

It's from the same guy that put together Sin City...what did you expect?

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Posted: 19th Mar 2007 07:38 Edited at: 19th Mar 2007 07:39
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Quote: "it's just that we don't care one way or another."


Actually, some things annoy certain people. Inaccurate accents annoy me (as do bad fake ones). For example I couldn't watch V for Vendetta because of Natalie Portman's fake English accent (and I tried to watch it!). Troy was also a bad culprit of the whole "it's historical so everyone has English accents." Ludicrous.

Quote: "I have a B.S in History"


A Bachelor of Science in History? How does that work?

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Portman used an English accent in that movie? hmmm. I was so bored watching V for Vendetta, I thought it kinda sucked.
Never saw Troy.

It was probably easier to get everyone to use an English accent in 300 than it would've been to get them to sound Greek. Is it really that big of an issue?

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I was convinced by their accents... you sure the actors weren't British? O.o

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Quote: "A Bachelor of Science in History? How does that work?"

Pretty easy actually; I opted not to take a second language...which would have given me a B.A. (Bachelor of the Arts). Other than that, you have to attend an accredited 4-year College or University. After you successfully complete the required credits (usually around 124-128 credit hours), you are entitled to receive your Diploma. Pretty easy concept really.

Quote: "Actually, some things annoy certain people. Inaccurate accents annoy me (as do bad fake ones)."

Like I said, it was made by the guy who created Sin City; most people knew that going in, and weren't expecting historical accuracy or absolute accents. You'll probably want to stay away from any work coming from Frank Miller in the future, as I suspect it will contain the same glaring inaccuracies.

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The goal is not to make it as historically accurate as possible, in fact it's far from that. It was a very entertaining movie that told it's story in the best way possible, the historical accuracy couldn't matter less.

That's not as bad as you think you said.
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Quote: "I was convinced by their accents... you sure the actors weren't British? O.o"


That doesn't matter. Kate Winslet does a pretty good job of hiding her English accent for most of her movies.

Quote: "The goal is not to make it as historically accurate as possible, in fact it's far from that. "


Dudes, I know that! Obviously it's not historically accurate--- there was a guy with swords for hands for goodness sake! But there IS a difference between "historically accurate" and "accurate". Certain little things bug me, and this is one of them.

Quote: "You'll probably want to stay away from any work coming from Frank Miller in the future, as I suspect it will contain the same glaring inaccuracies."


Doesn't have anything to do with Frank Miller. I can assure you he doesn't create characters who are Greek but have English accents specifically in his novels. I don't see what the big deal is-- can't some of you guys listen to criticisms? Maybe you're too easy to please??

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I doubt they originally spoke English too, should we fault the movie for that inaccuracy?

Just think of it like Star Trek, and how every alien in the universe speaks english.

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Quote: "Just think of it like Star Trek, and how every alien in the universe speaks english."


i think they have universal translators in Star Trek actually.

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Computer that can translate a previously unheard language instantly? Yea, I'm sure that'll ever happen.

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I am. Within a few decades pc's will be in the terahertz range most likely. Computations will be amazingly fast then=)

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Quote: "Computer that can translate a previously unheard language instantly? Yea, I'm sure that'll ever happen.
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Men on the moon? Yea, I'm sure that'll ever happen

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Quote: "all to a rock soundtrack (but no Nine Inch Nails in the actual movie)."


There is a NIN track in the film: "The mark has been made" from The Fragile is used in the film


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Quote: "Computer that can translate a previously unheard language instantly? Yea, I'm sure that'll ever happen."


don't forget the real-time lip-syncing too

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Quote: "and American movies usually distort history to show disproportionate and/or factually inaccurate American involvement (invariably on the winning side)"


Can anyone say U-571?!?! Great example. Americans retrieving an enigma machine, despite the real life events occuring before they even joined WW2!!!


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This has gotten extremely offtopic-ish

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Quote: "Oh. My. God. Your retarded on MULTIPLE scales if you don't realize that these things are 90% of the time scripted, or faked. They also don't show the SMART americans, or the NORMAL americans, they just show the absolute STUPID americans. Its media, get used to it.

Thats funny, because last time I checked, America only had a bad education system, not a bad amount of intelligent people. I mean, Intel, AMD, Asus, many engineering companies, Microsoft, and all these places that have their coders/designers/engineers here, CAN'T mean we have any smart people...

Though I do admit it is our fault that outsourcing occurs in factory positioned jobs=P"


Okay, for once, I agree with Steve here.

Now, this may be a couple of days old, but all you brits are basing us americans on is what the media shows. Why not come over here for a week, into areas, and see what people think of brits, instead of believing whatever you hear?

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Hollywood is not a piece of crap. I've been there before, and while the people dressed up in weird costumes was quite awkward, does not mean it cannot be a place for people to dress how they feel. Even if they do look like a retard.

okay then,

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Hollywood is a piece of crap for the media there, thats it basically=P

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What do you mean? The media that makes up stuff about hollywood, or the media that goes around hollywood? And have you ever been there?
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Been there twice, ok place, bit to big city for my liking.

I mean the actual in city media, the movie producers. I disdain the media.

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OH. what's bad about them. I mean, I've never seen the producers giving bad information, or whatever media they give out.
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@Phaelex - No but they have translators for the known languages. Other alien languages are gibberish in Star Trek.

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For the record, I personally don't lump American people in with their government or media, or hollywood for that matter. The point I agreed with above was just that hollywood loves to big up America, and unfortunately, lots of people believe there is more factual content in hollywood cinema than there actually is.


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