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Geek Culture / DarkBASIC vs Wikipedia

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El Goorf
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Posted: 19th Mar 2007 01:24
I was looking up darkbasic on wikipedia out of curiosity to see what the article was like, and I saw it was a complete sham. the layout of the article was FUGLY, and had very little content. I then looked at the blue notices that i usually ignore, and it said they were thinking of merging the article with darkBASIC Pro.

Now I'm personally against this merging idea, but regardless, i think that we need to do a bit of community effort to get the two articles cleaned up, have more information etc. Aside from writing general info. perhaps if some people put links at the bottom of each article to projects they have completed in the said product (we could do with a few screenshots in there too). What I hope will happen is that with a bit of polishing up on the articles, DB and DBP will be distinguishable as, say, C and C++.

Now I know that posting this here is a very risky decision. no doubt that a lot of noobs will post random stuff that doesnt make sense, saying "Darkbasic pro is best cos it has a better IDE and i used it to make an mmo but i couldnt make my character turn left lol", or post screenshots of unifnished, or tacky work. All I can say is, please dont use this as an oppertunity to advertise your product. use your product to advertise DB/P, and if it isnt pretty, it aint advertising.

so anyway, yeh, i urge people to get adding stuff to the articles or cleaning things up. I too will be doing stuff to it over the next week, but theres a lot to be done...

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LD52
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Posted: 19th Mar 2007 01:33
Maybe add some free tutorials starting from beginners to advanced ... i can't help much since im not so good in the DB Pro language yet but i do think it would be a good idea . I imagine something like the blender wiki which has tons of tutorials and is frequently updated.
RUCCUS
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Posted: 19th Mar 2007 01:49
Ill fix it up a bit. (Doesnt mean others shouldn't do so as well).

Venge
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Posted: 19th Mar 2007 01:58
There are people that monitor wikipedia, they might change it back anyway..
It's not a very reliable source.

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Mnemonix
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Posted: 19th Mar 2007 02:33
I`m of the thinking that Wikipedia should be a source of factual data and not utilised to advertise any products, so don't turn it into an advert for DBC

Cash Curtis II
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Posted: 19th Mar 2007 03:11
But pictures of games are perfectly acceptable. If those pictures are good enough to advertise for DBP without explicitly attempting to then there is nothing wrong with that.


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RUCCUS
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Posted: 19th Mar 2007 04:02
I posted this in the intro;

Quote: "Game creation is quickly climbing the charts in terms of a career to make a living off of. More and more independent developers (indis) are popping up all over the world, using a keyboard to create whatever ideas they can conjure up. But until several years ago, indis had to spend hours on end setting up entire libraries of code just to get some text displayed to the screen, let alone an actual game. Sure, there were many programming languages that were simple to use, allowing programmers to knock up a game within hours, but they weren't powerful enough to attract an audience. Enter DarkBASIC, although it has now been massively improved on as DarkBASIC Professional, in it's day it combined the ease of BASIC with the sheer power of Direct X. "


But it got removed.

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Posted: 19th Mar 2007 04:12
Yea everyone knows that's not true .
What did I tell ye?

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Cash Curtis II
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Posted: 19th Mar 2007 04:28
I can see why it was removed, it was too biased in the direction of DBP.

Fact + pictures will do the job nicely enough.


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Jeku
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Posted: 19th Mar 2007 04:49
Yah, that just sounded like an advertisement. You won't see anything like that in the Encyclopedia

RUCCUS
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Posted: 19th Mar 2007 13:39
Meh, it seemed boring before, like a robot was talking or something. "A-tree-is-a-natural-producer-that-gets-energy-from-the-sun. Trees-have-leaves. Trees-make-oxygen." Someone has to add some sort of a flare to it.

Drew Cameron
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Posted: 19th Mar 2007 13:43
Nah I can see why that got removed as well.

The only thing I've ever managed to alter in Wikipedia without some Wiki Geek editing it back straight away was adding Dumbow & Cool into the Gish article.

They can be hipocritical about having relevant info on Wikipedia. There are like 173 articles on Battlestar Galactica and 1 on Pythagoras, you know?

Anyways.

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Posted: 19th Mar 2007 14:26
yeah they removed an aussie term we called wankerchops when my friend and i posted it while drinking, the hide of them!. basically its a guy who talks a lot of wank

Van B
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Posted: 19th Mar 2007 14:43
I fixed some details on Captive which were left alone, it's best just to think like the sort of person who would actually work for Wikipedia - sorta like Kryton from Red Dwarf but with less social skills. I think it was just that they listed Atari ST as a format for the sequel (Liberation), which is nonsense, any ST owner alive at the time will remember how long we wasted waiting on that appearing, back when publishers regarded the ST as last weeks s****y nappy. I shall defend the memory of the ST using impecible logic (if not spelling), and geek arrogance of course .


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Dave J
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Posted: 19th Mar 2007 15:22
I hate the people who think they own the Wikipedia and feel the need to regulate absolutely everything. I hate to say it, but if you really care that much about a user-driven website, you must have a pretty sad life. Point in fact is that no matter how 'professional' the wiki gets, it'll never be an 'official' source and any institution will discard it from being a valid reference.

It's good for learning things, yes, but that's as far as it goes and for that reason, people shouldn't be so uptight about what's acceptable or not.


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Steve J
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Posted: 19th Mar 2007 16:56
@Drew: BSG > Pythagoras. I believe everyone would agree with me.

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Peter H
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Posted: 19th Mar 2007 21:18
i think Pythagoras wins.

really, what has BSG done for society?

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Chris K
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Posted: 19th Mar 2007 21:49
To be fair, the Cylons discovered that the square of the hypotenuse was equal to the sum of the squares of the other two sides.

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LD52
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Posted: 19th Mar 2007 21:54 Edited at: 20th Mar 2007 03:15
Quote: "any institution will discard it from being a valid reference."


Yup my school automatically gives you a 0 on your report or project if in your bibliography you write you used "Wikipedia" XD believe me i know XD
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Posted: 19th Mar 2007 22:04
Quote: "really, what has BSG done for society?"


It kept dangerous criminals sitting inside watching it instead of getting out and murder/rob people.

Take me for example, if BSG wasn't running i'd be outside, stealing cars, robbing banks etc.

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Posted: 19th Mar 2007 22:07 Edited at: 19th Mar 2007 22:07
@ld52:
Even if you have other references as well?

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Code Dragon
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Posted: 20th Mar 2007 00:24 Edited at: 20th Mar 2007 00:28
Is there any real downside to editing wikipedia and having your IP address recorded? I find things I could edit but I don't want a wiki geek to edit it back and send me a virus.

Quote: "This is one of the sample programs which is downloaded with DarkBASIC pro. It shows the user how to make basic graphics with a spinning cube. Many times, this code is code is used to advertise how easy the software is to use. In reality, though, making a real game is much harder."


Not really. That last sentence should be deleted, lots of us could make a 3D breakout in 1 day or less.

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Crazy Ninja
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Posted: 20th Mar 2007 00:48 Edited at: 20th Mar 2007 00:57
Or edited to something along the lines:

"In reality though more complex games, such as a good first person shooter, take much longer and are much harder.

Edit: Ruccus, that really does sound like an ad. I like the beginning part though so i changed the end:

"Game creation is quickly climbing the charts in terms of a career to make a living off of. More and more independent developers (indis) are popping up all over the world, using a keyboard to create whatever ideas they can conjure up. But until several years ago, indis had to spend hours on end setting up entire libraries of code just to get some text displayed to the screen, let alone an actual game. With today's new technology, it's now easier than ever to get stuff going. One language that is chosen by some of today's indi developers is DarkBASIC. DarkBASIC was made by The Game Creators in 1998(?)."

I don't have enough time to finish this. If anyone else wants to(or doesn't) go right ahead.

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Posted: 20th Mar 2007 02:44
Quote: "Yup my school automatically gives you a 0 on yr oureport or project if in your bibliography you write you used "Wikipedia" XD believe me i know XD "


Uh, since when can any encyclopedia be used as a reference? Back in my schooling days, we were taught that any info in an encyclopedia is common knowledge, and therefore can't be used as a reference

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Posted: 20th Mar 2007 02:47
Quote: "Back in my schooling days, we were taught that any info in an encyclopedia is common knowledge, and therefore can't be used as a reference"


That's correct. Well actually, encyclopedias can be used as secondary research. Find a general idea, and then research that further in other sources.


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Posted: 20th Mar 2007 02:48
@Jerico: Huh? Has the definition of Encyclopedias changed? They are those huge things that have 27 books with about 1500 or so pages in them, they are very detailed.

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LD52
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Posted: 20th Mar 2007 03:14
Quote: "Uh, since when can any encyclopedia be used as a reference? Back in my schooling days, we were taught that any info in an encyclopedia is common knowledge, and therefore can't be used as a reference"


Times have changed I don't know i use encyclopedia to get some information but not the whole report .
El Goorf
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Posted: 20th Mar 2007 19:22
I've just tidied up the list of features and added a list of supported file formats in the DBC article. however, I don't like the darkgame sdk being there. in the darkbasic professional article maybe, but not DBC. anyone care if i remove it?

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bitJericho
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Posted: 21st Mar 2007 01:07 Edited at: 21st Mar 2007 01:08
I think the idea is what LD52 said, you're supposed to use them to find info to research further. You don't cite a friggin encyclopedia. Encyclopedias are just relaying already known info from other sources...

I've never heard of anyone writing a research paper and submitting it to an encyclpedia to be published

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Posted: 21st Mar 2007 04:35
Quote: "
They can be hipocritical about having relevant info on Wikipedia. There are like 173 articles on Battlestar Galactica and 1 on Pythagoras, you know?"


But BSG is so damn cool
NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 21st Mar 2007 23:45
Well... does Pythagoras have characters? (Besides its inventor, Pythagoras) Does Pythagoras have spaceships, battles and technology to document? Not really.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Posted: 21st Mar 2007 23:56
Pythag, only needs one article :p

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Venge
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Posted: 22nd Mar 2007 00:08
Can thousands of people watch Pythagoras at the same time?

Since wikipedia can be edited I'm guessing more people know about BSG than pythagoras, more people made articles about it.

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Posted: 23rd Mar 2007 21:49
Rubbish, complete trash.

Also if you look at pythag article you'll see various links off of it...the youth of today....geez

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