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Matt Rock
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I didn't want to see Casino Royale. Ever since they've announced Daniel Craig as the new James Bond, I've been avoiding the movie. And then when I heard that he crashes a perfectly good Aston Martin DBS, I started saying I was refusing to watch it, even after several of my friends claimed it was a great movie, and some stated he was the best Bond yet. In my opinion, Pierce Brosnan was second-best (to Sean Connery of course), and I didn't understand why they had fired him and replaced him with Daniel Craig.

Now I know why. I watched Casino Royale on DVD last night for the first time, and trust me, I'm looking forward to seeing it again this afternoon. Never before has Bond been this rude, crude, violent, and ill-tempered. When he responds to a bartender asking if he wants his martini shaken or stirred with "Do I look like I give a damn?" that's the precise moment when I decided Daniel Craig is what Bond should have always been. He doesn't need gadgets to keep him sorted because he's smart enough to make it without them. He doesn't need a clever quip every time he kills someone... he's a "point and click" assassin, and that's what I've always wanted to see out of James Bond. I almost feel like I owe this guy an apology. I spent several months bashing the poor guy without having actually seen his performance. I finished that movie and my admiration of Pierce Brosnan at the exact same time. Daniel Craig is James Bond.

If you've been holding out, if you've been avoiding this movie for the same reason I was, now's the time to give it a try. I genuinely believe that even the most hardcore Sean Connery fans will love the new Bond. Trust me, Ian Flemming would have wanted it this way


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Posted: 25th Mar 2007 19:06
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I didn't think the film was so good. I like lots of action and gun fights, which this bond film lacked in. There just was not enough explosions and gun fire, just a lot of talking and short lived action.
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Posted: 25th Mar 2007 19:10
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I thought it had a great level of action. Compared to some of the other Bond films, this one was action-packed, and the conversation pieces were story-driven. I love that this guy doesn't waste time talking about unnecessary stuff... he's no-nonsense and I definitely dig that. And during the action scenes, the new Bond is absolutely ruthless imo.


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Posted: 25th Mar 2007 19:43
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Quote: "Daniel Craig is James Bond."

Yes. Pierce wasn't believable as Bond for me. I just didn't believe that he'd win in a fight. Who was that bad guy that couldn't feel pain? By the time Pierce and he fought, Pierce just kicked his butt. Please.


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Posted: 25th Mar 2007 21:53
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I didnt like everything or nothing much, i thought the film was more about blowing stuff up and special effects than the storyline

Casino Royale, is quite good, it seems they wrote more of a storyline for this movie


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the original Bond movies were better...

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the originals are always better, as for casino royal, it was a good film from what i remember of it, alot better than the others i've seen.


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Posted: 25th Mar 2007 22:09
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Casino Royale was better than THE original

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Posted: 26th Mar 2007 04:53
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My wife and I rented this film tonight, so I only finished watching it a few hours ago - and I have to say it was seriously bad. I think he made a really good Bond, and I liked the way they shirked the 'usual' stuff - but the film went on and on for ever, I swear I thought it had ended 4 times (or at least wished it had). The baddie wasn't, there were no gadgets, the car was in it for about 6 seconds, the 'Bond women' were just not all that hot, the story was convoluted and tiresome - I nearly fell asleep during the Poker match.

I'm looking forward to seeing him as Bond again, but damn they're going to need a really fine story to carry him.

On the plus side, the initial Parkour style chase was superb. Shame it didn't continue that momentum.

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I did quite enjoy the film, but this was really due to Daniel Craig's performance. I think he's the first bond that doesn't look cheesy.

I concur that the adventure itself is pretty no-frills, though. There's not much in the way of fancy hardware and the bond girls were merely "functional". This however _may_ have been what felt different about this one and may have worked for it. I don't know. Must wait and see how Craig looks on a more conventional adventure.

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I haven't seen it yet; but is this supposed to be before Bond becomes an agent, or following the last movie...as far as the time-frame goes? I too had reservations when I saw they changed the "Face" of Bond. Of course no one can replace Sean, but 2nd Place is still up for grabs. I'll have to check it out.

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For me Roger Moore is bond, but that's because he was bond when I was a kid, when I actually cared about that stuff. He had the best gadgets ever, the best adversaries ever (I mean Jaws FFS how could anyone compete with him!) - don't deny it!, that's what made bond what he is, those 80's bond movies like Moonraker and Living Daylights. Might sound weird coming from a Scotsman but Sean alwash annoysh me as bond, for me Highlander was his best work.

Craig's a fine actor, I really liked Layer Cake, but IMO they used Flemmings original vision as an excuse to compete with the likes of Oceans12 etc with this new hard-edged bond. If we wanted that, then Vin would have starred in XXX2 instead of ice cube - it would have been a proper series. I have this sickly feeling that these new bond movies will get on my nerves, just like Dalton and Brosnan. For a start they could and should bring back Jaws for a movie, the guy who played him is still alive, still looks damn scary, I'd love to see him play Jaws again.


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Quote: "for me Highlander was his best work."

We're in 100% agreement there.



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Quote: "For a start they could and should bring back Jaws for a movie, the guy who played him is still alive, still looks damn scary, I'd love to see him play Jaws again."


Didn't he become a born again Christian or something? Not that that would disallow you to play Jaws or anything, but he might have very well moved on.

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He's in Happy Gilmore with Adam Sandler - but haven't seen him in anything recently, if memory serves he get's a nail in the head.


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Ahhh!Daniel Craig hide me!

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I watched the movie last night, and I think it was the best Bond film yet (that I've seen). Pierce Brosnan is a pansy, too pretty for Bond. Craig could kick his butt in real life I reckon.

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Nah, sorry, I love Bond (been to the last 12 to 15 or so in the cinema), but nah (not that Brosnan is any better). Craig does a pretty good Bond, for sure, but I want mega evil lairs (pref. under water, orbiting the planet, or in a volcano), lasers in watches, ejector seats, and an almost invinsible Bond. Why? Because that is what I grew up on. I don't care if it's the most gritty and realistic Bond ever; I can watch other movies for that. Bond is supposed to be pure fantasy. It's like wanting a more gritty and realistic Star Wars or Star Trek. Stuff that. I want to be totally taken to a fantasy world.

Best bit though for me was when he smashed through the door after the guy jumped through the gap in the door (whole chase scene was good, but a bit 2005 after seeing it all done before on YouTube). That and the odd little joke towards what he was going to be like as Bond. Fairly amusing.

On another forum they said this was the first of a series of remakes, basically starting the loop again. So hopefully we will get the evil lairs and awesome gadgets Oh, AND TRYING TO TAKE OVER/DESTROY THE WORLD!!!!....

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Well, the main reason there were no evil lairs was that there were none in the book Casino Royale, if I remember correctly.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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what I didn't get about the film, is that if this is supposed to be Bond's first case as a 00 agent, why are there things like cell phones and modern technologies around? The characters been around forever, shouldn't they use the technologies from back then?

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It did a horrible job at preserving the timeline I think. I agree that it doesn't make sense how Bond could be younger today than he was in the 1960's. And they had that gorgeous 1964 Aston Martin to use as well... yummy. But I still thoroughly enjoyed it, I must say after seeing it again I still love the new face of Bond.

Rocky Balboa on the other hand


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Yea, I thought it was a fairly great movie, especially when you look at a lot of the other movies coming out these days. My one gripe is the extremely long poker scene, very very long.

What was cool though was you could see the connection between this rookie bond and the seasoned bond we're used to. He gets bloody, dirty, and doesn't have the usual charm down pat. And all the little things we've come to expect (ex. shaken not stirred) were put in to show sort of "the origin" of bond's later years.

Quote: "what I didn't get about the film, is that if this is supposed to be Bond's first case as a 00 agent, why are there things like cell phones and modern technologies around? The characters been around forever, shouldn't they use the technologies from back then?"


That was weird, but hey, none of the bonds really look the same either, so I'll let it fly.


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Quote: "none of the bonds really look the same either"


Maybe bond had a lot of plastic surgery over the years.
conveniently at the same time they change bond actors

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One of my mates here at uni is a big Bond fan, and apparently he's read all the books.
He tells me that this film is about as close as is possible to get to the feel of the books, so he's extatic about it.

Personally, it was boring with about as much pizzaz as a B-rate soapy...

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Quote: "He tells me that this film is about as close as is possible to get to the feel of the books"
Yeah, I said this on another forum. Basically it doesn't matter. We all grew up with Bond as a film, not as a book. I have *loads* of books, and love to read, and most of the time the book is better than the film, but when you have been hit with 20 odd films then the books don't really matter. Personally I've only read one Bond book when I was 10. Strangely isn't my cup of tea for books, but works totally as films.

Perhaps they should have remade a better Bond film.

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Ps. And what was with the music at the start? Total rubbish. Plus no scantily clad shadowy women cavorting around... damn...

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I personally didn't like the movie that much. I did however love the intro(even though it was a little long) and the construction site scene. Bond shooting a guy with a nail gun in the eye is pretty cool too.

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I just watched Casino Royale, didn't seem very Bond, but it was really good. Daniel Craig seemed too cold blooded to be our charming Mr Bond, but I got the feeling that perhaps Bond was a ruthless Agent with nothing but his ego to fuel him until his heart was enticed by a girl, touching his warm blooded side, so if thats the portrayal they wanted, they needed an actor who would play Bond ruthless but not so charming Bond.

Also, good demonstration of my style of Karate (Shotokan), although I would have prefered to have seen more of it, as well as the action, buuut with due respect the movie dudes do have to follow the storyline of the book, no point having an explosion with him riding out on a motorbike with a girl on his back if he doesn't do that in the novel. I think it was a really good movie myself, I can imagine myself contrasting by watching Dr No and coming out with the giggles.

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