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AntL
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Linux is AWSOME!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1000x better then crappy micro$oft.
OpenGL 2.0 forever!!!!!!!

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Some people are just... cool. Theres nothing you can do about it. AntL is one of those people.


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Look at his sig, how ironic...

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How peculiar, I'm sure many people would beg to differ, but does it matter, nobody ever wins in an OS war, heck nobody evers wins in a 'war' in this forum, because somebody always has an answer to the last point made until the thread gets locked.

I'd disagree that MS is crap, despite my absolutely awful experience with XP.

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If it wasn't for MS, we wouldn't be at this stage in computing full stop, and it has nothing to do with innovation but with pure market penetration, making the PC a consumer item.
And I'm posting this from Ubuntu, just to prove I'm not a Microsoft fanatic either

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I have a question. Who in the hell has a lack of a life to care?? Unless you got stocks in a certain company or sell a certain operating sytem what's the point in being a fanboy of a single os? It's pathetic. Am I the only one who thinks this?

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Posted: 29th Mar 2007 16:55 Edited at: 29th Mar 2007 17:19
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@RUCCUS Thanks guys!!! you guys are to COOL to!!

@Kentaree My drives are duel boot, Linux primary, mirco$oft second, and if you look at my vid card, you can see its several series back, i still continue to use it cause the OpenGL drivers are outstounding!!! Have played with it alot and its very comparable with some of the recent DirectX features. BUT, without the hardware being ate up like windows games. Sometime back my brother got Quake 4 running on Linux once to try it out, we was surprised by what the comp was using!!! it used only half of what windows required!! maybe less power and smoth like none other, it was way better then running on micro$oft systems.

And micro$oft is the ones who killed markets, and put so much restriction on you is unreal!! At least with Linux, there products thats comparable with micro$oft and its free!!!! I found a Linux picture on a search awhile back, of course they covered the key points with a pigiun, but it said "software is like sex, its better when its free". And if you think about it, Vi$ta will either break or make micro$oft. I read in a article, and in the past 5 years more and more have been moving to Linux due to micro$soft'$ issues. And its very possible in 2 - 3 years, Linux with be competing, and it will be as it was in the 80's before micro$oft killed everyone. Linux is much better also, as its free and open sourced!!! that means, if something dont go your way, change the system and make it go your way!!!

EDIT - thats my 2 cents to many, looks like its $40.00 worth now.

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Err, the ati ogl drivers are terrible for any radeon series. Try the nvidia card ones and you will never go back. They are slightly updated thanks to the amd buy, but not amazing.

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@RUCCUS Thanks guys!!! you guys are to COOL to!! "


Umm... oh my... take a hint.


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omg u are teh best0rz!!! linix roolz!!!

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or not.
people who use linux already think this, and people who use real OSes don't care.

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AlexI
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Posted: 29th Mar 2007 18:24 Edited at: 29th Mar 2007 18:24
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Linux is best for servers I got a dualxeon server


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Quote: "And its very possible in 2 - 3 years, Linux with be competing, and it will be as it was in the 80's before micro$oft killed everyone"


Linux didn't exist in the 80s...

Also, in my experience, Linux graphics drivers are crap, I can't even play anything remotely 3D on a decent piece of hardware, although I know a few people who have. Linux is not necessarily better, I prefer it to windows, but I still use windows for games, and I respect Microsoft for what they have created. Without Microsoft, Linux wouldn't be where it is today either.

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Posted: 29th Mar 2007 18:28
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Quote: "And micro$oft is the ones who killed markets, "


I disagree, if you mean their competition, Microsoft paid Apple's debts when they were going bankrupt so that they don't monopolise the market. If you mean their types of buyers, I thought that with Vista, because it is RAM hungry and has a strange security so the indie market may go down, but then they've just released the XNA framework, so they're not going to be so hard on indies so soon, otherwise it would mean they would have just waisted money on XNA.

Believe me when I say Microsoft isn't as bad as they seem, I used to be anti-Windows pro-Mac, but in reality each OS serves purposes that are best for different people.

Of course for most computer users, Linux may be an issue, its not as easy to install or use as Windows, some versions require extra drivers and a lot of work to get working properly, not good for your average Joe family PC, but great for programmings and people who need realiable servers and people who know what they're doing.

To be honest if everybody thought Linux was best they'd be using it, but like every OS it has advantages and disadvantages, even if it is free. Not everybody uses Blender instead of Cinema 4D, or Ogre instead of Dark Basic Pro, heck Open Office over Microsoft Office. No point making an argument on the best OS, because there isn't one.

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Posted: 29th Mar 2007 18:37 Edited at: 29th Mar 2007 21:13
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ROFL what on earth, AntL you're so cool

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Benjamin
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Posted: 29th Mar 2007 20:25
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You keep spelling 'Microsoft' wrong.

Quote: "Also, in my experience, Linux graphics drivers are crap, I can't even play anything remotely 3D on a decent piece of hardware"

I agree, I tried some Irrlicht demos on Linux and they ran at about 1/5 the speed with the latest drivers. Whether that was Irrlicht's fault or not I don't know of course.

Quote: "AntL your so cool"

You spelt 'you're' and 'stupid' wrong.

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Quote: "You spelt 'you're' and 'stupid' wrong."


That made me laugh out loud!

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Posted: 29th Mar 2007 21:52 Edited at: 29th Mar 2007 21:52
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I agree that linux isn't great for games (unless you like SUPERTUX!), however, the amount of control over the operating system, and the lower system requirements make it ideal for computers like my laptop. Also Beryl is pretty cool!




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Venge
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Oh yea, everyone wants a cubic desktop.
That's like what our weather station does. They tilt the map down so its supposed to look 3d, but it just flattens it and makes it hard to read..

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AntL
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Posted: 29th Mar 2007 22:17 Edited at: 29th Mar 2007 22:45
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@Kentaree are you stupid, or just to stuck up. Of course Linux wasnt out in the 80's, it came out in 92. I was refering to the comptition. Moron

@Steve J My OpenGL drivers works fine on my 9600, anything later then 9800 I dont like.

@Benjamin Im spelling micro$oft right, they a bunch of money hungry bastards.

Have you guys even played a high powered game on Linux, it damn right runs better then windows... I have never had any trouble with Linux since I first started using it. Its my prefered system. On top of that, theres 4 country's thats banned micro$oft, and China is cutting back its sales for micro$oft products. OpenGL 2.0 matches up to DirectX 9, next OpenGL update in theory will be better then DirectX 10. But thats just a wait and see how it comes along.

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Quote: "Oh yea, everyone wants a cubic desktop.
That's like what our weather station does. They tilt the map down so its supposed to look 3d, but it just flattens it and makes it hard to read.."


Wow, what the hell? Are you like some Windows only, nothing else crazy person? Multiple desktops is quite nice, plus beryl comes with things similar to OSX expose, and taskbar preview windows.


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If you want multiple desktops, then try Freespire.

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Rofl, this guy is the next zenicannen. Give it a few more posts and he'll be whining and shouting at us for not giving a poop about his opinion.

Speaking of which, AntL...
We dont give a poop.
kthxbai


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Quote: "@Benjamin Im spelling micro$oft right, they a bunch of money hungry bastards."

They are a company. You don't see companies selling any Linux distros probably because no one would actually buy it. Zing!

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you know what ruccus i dont give a rats a** what you think, i was simply just putting my reply about ubuntu, you guys stirred this crap up and ill keep going to you stop crap

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Quote: "@Kentaree are you stupid, or just to stuck up. Of course Linux wasnt out in the 80's, it came out in 92. I was refering to the comptition. Moron"


Oh excellent, you can read wikipedia, congratulations. I only need to read your posts to see who's the real moron here.

If nothing better than a 9600 works, how does that match up to DirectX10, when the cards themselves are so much slower that even linux can't make up for it. For that matter, do you have a directx10 card, and where did you get the game out of that uses it so you can compare?

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Posted: 29th Mar 2007 23:46 Edited at: 29th Mar 2007 23:49
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*RUCCUS tries to hold back on saying "I told you so"*


By the sounds of things, he was hanging out with some of his more intelligent buddies, or heard in computers class while he was scowering miniclip.com, someone say "Linux is far superior to Microsoft because x, x and x.". And now, naturally, he knows every one of each OS's flaws and advantages, has weighed them heavily, and has come to the brilliant, long thought out conclusion, that "Linux omg lyke pwns Micro$awfts a$$ teehee lol hax kthx!".

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Quote: "Without Microsoft, Linux wouldn't be where it is today either."


GNU/Linux was made as an opposition to UNIX, not Windows. Richard Stallman and Linus Trovolds didn't like all the closed source software of UNIX workstations.

That statement should say: "Microsoft wouldn't be where it is today if Apple wasn't around."

Windows is somewhat of a copy off Macintosh. But then again, Mac is a big copy off of Xerox. Watch Pirates of Silicon Valley or Triumph of the Nerds to understand what I'm talking about.


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Quote: "GNU/Linux was made as an opposition to UNIX, not Windows. Richard Stallman and Linus Trovolds didn't like all the closed source software of UNIX workstations.

That statement should say: "Microsoft wouldn't be where it is today if Apple wasn't around."

Windows is somewhat of a copy off Macintosh. But then again, Mac is a big copy off of Xerox. Watch Pirates of Silicon Valley or Triumph of the Nerds to understand what I'm talking about.
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I don't think he's referring to Linux at the start of it, but more things like X Server, the desktop managers, OpenGL and stuff (I imagine OpenGL development was motivated from seeing stuff going on in DirectX and vice versa). I think all operating systems rely heavily on each other for opposition - to motivate the developers, and for ideas.

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Strange how fast this pro-I-love-anything-to-do-with-linux thread turned into an OS war..

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Linux has come a long way, but ubuntu sadly ended the days of rtfm, and have led us into a new era of noobs from windows coming to linux. All I can say really...=/

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@ALL YOU REST - Well... after seeing the new news develope, all just to fire up the war into a blast furnace if thats what you want...

@Benjamin - Maybe you need to look more rather then sleeping in your hole, theres many companies selling there Linux OS, and THOUSANDS buying it, take a look at some polls that people votes on. Better yet, go directly to some Linux sites where there dev's sells it, and there lots of benifits with it to. Here, I'll help you crawl out of your hole.
www.linspire.com And be sure to check out CNR. Its very good program, and its where I also got win4lin. It really put windows OS in a window where they belong. Its more or less a operating system running in a operating system. I used to run ME in it.

@Venge - Im just that good with argueing when this wasnt supposed to be a arguement that you all started. But hey, this gave me something to do for most the day since I was bored. So for that much, I do got to thank you guys for it.

@Mikey P - I think you mentioned what im refering to, not sure what X server, if its like X windows then I know what you mean.
EDIT: I like how you said about relying on each other also.

@Kentaree - Read these forum about DirectX 10 and OpenGL 3.0, this is the "in theory" I was refering to.
http://www.javagaming.org/forums/index.php?topic=14272.0

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The people may discuss the features and help the developers of the programs that they are interested in.

Cheers.


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Quote: "Kentaree are you stupid, or just to stuck up. Of course Linux wasnt out in the 80's, it came out in 92. I was refering to the comptition. Moron"


Slapped for two weeks. Read the AUP before posting and we'll approve your posts, particularly section:

Quote: "3.11 We do not tolerate posts made for the purpose of putting down another forum member, group of members, religion, our company, our staff or any of our moderators, past or present."


Some people just take it too far. Why does it matter so much when people disagree with you?

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I use Windows xp ... i would try linux if i had another computer since i need to play games to relieve stress.
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lmao...

Yea, so I use Xp, and honestly only because I was born and raised on the Microsoft OS's. If I didn't want to play any games, I'd get a Mac, if I wanted to run a server, I'd get Linux. My point; all OS's have their purpose in this big place we call the computer market. If Microsoft let people do open source with Vista, we'd get some pretty messed up piles of proverbial OS ooze. It works well for Linux, though, because they don't sell it and therefore aren't entirely responsible for problems.

I wish Microsoft would ease up on the security, most of it prohibits any good use of their features and is only used to protect users from themselves.


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Quote: "i was simply just putting my reply about ubuntu, you guys stirred this crap up and ill keep going to you stop crap
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Actually you made a post that was unrelated except for with the words Linux, the purpose was to make a post about how much you love Linux and to insult Microsoft and windows.

And because you seemed to have ignored my post:

The only thing I have ever found wrong with Windows is its use of RAM and its security, but an anti-virus, anti-spyware and firewall program will do the job of security, as for ram, either upgrade the ram or just go back to Windows 2000 (I have 256mb ram, not the best ram for modern computing anyway )

If Linux was the bees knees for everyone, they'd be using it, but they don't, I've run Linux and MacOS, two brilliant Operating systems, but I use Windows because it bests suits me, there is no such thing as a crap operating system.

I'm not flaming you, but I think you should reconsider how you've annoyed people before you start throwing insults. We've had plenty of members like this and they never learn, so I say learn from their mistakes, what happens with them is, they make a thread that turns into a flame war, get slapped, they come back with a thread to apologise that lasts for 3 posts before they start insulting people again (sometimes it takes a few newb-slaps for them to start apologising) and then they eventually get themselves banned, they return and say they off and can't be bothered with the forum anymore.

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Quote: "@Kentaree - Read these forum about DirectX 10 and OpenGL 3.0, this is the "in theory" I was refering to.
http://www.javagaming.org/forums/index.php?topic=14272.0"


I just read through the entire thread, and while 90% of it was arguing about open source and what not, I saw one person who said that OpenGL 3 should theoretically be as powerful as DirectX10, and then he went on to say that that's usually not the case.

Quote: "In theory, OpenGL should be equal to DX10 no matter what version through vendor extensions. But thats hardly been the case..."


And you're forgetting that non of those people are any more or less knowledgeable about things like that than we are, they're were arguing about whether it's right to use in java, so most of them have even used any of the capabilities of the current version of DirectX.

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This thread shouldn't even be here. It was a reply to a locked thread, and has a pointless topic. I don't know why a mod hasn't locked this yet. I would have straight off.

The other thread was locked for a reason. I don't see why anyone should be allowed to open a new thread to continue the locked discussion. It doesn't make sense.

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Quote: "refering to the comptition. Moron"


Funny how he calls someone a moron directly after spelling competition wrong. Spelling isn't necessarily a bad thing as some members dont have english as their primary language but in this case he's pretty ridiculous...

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I emailed Jeku to lock this cause Im tired of this arguement. I hope he locks it so no one will post now.

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