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laurence
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Posted: 30th Mar 2007 11:36
To taking a language course abroad. How good idea it is. But so many courses which is my choice best? I hope someone can give me some suggestions about the language courses abroad. And which language is easy to study. English, German, Italian? If you have any suggestion for me please don't hesitate to let me know.

Language sites recommended: www.esl.com www.language-courses-abroad.com www.abroadlanguages.com
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Posted: 30th Mar 2007 13:50
Your English is reasonably good, so maybe an English course would make it perfect You could probably start with a more advanced course.

Unless you used a translator for your post of course.
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Posted: 30th Mar 2007 15:28
If your native language isn't English, it is a very good language to learn as it's the primary language of some of the most populated countries in the world. It's the secondary language of many more countries as well. Cnsidering your english is verry good already, it should make learning easier.

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Posted: 30th Mar 2007 16:29
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Venge
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Posted: 30th Mar 2007 16:56
Quote: "English, it is a very good language to learn as it's the primary language of some of the most populated countries in the world."


ahem, chinese? only a billion people live there...

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Posted: 30th Mar 2007 21:50 Edited at: 30th Mar 2007 21:51
venge has a point, although you would think it, english is actually the 2nd most spoken language (followed by hindi spanish arabic and russian) and mandarin is the most spoken language, but english would be a good choice as many of the characters are similair to alot of european languages (im guessing you native language is french as you didn't list it) and is definatly a highly spoken language in the western/developed world.


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Posted: 30th Mar 2007 21:54
Spanish is becoming more and more of a popular language, Id learn it if I didnt have serious memorization problems


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Posted: 30th Mar 2007 21:55 Edited at: 30th Mar 2007 22:01
Mandarin Chinese is the language with the largest number of people speaking it...

however the vast majority of those people are living in mainland china! English is spread over multiple countries. Either as a first language in quite a few or a second language in many.

unless you are going to china, english would be the wiser choice. (though yours is already pretty darn good, if you wrote that yourself).

also, as already mentioned, english uses the arabic letters. Which are a lot easier to learn if you grew up with a language that uses them.

the one advantage to learning chinese writing, is that it is independent of language! You can write something in chinese and someone from mainland china who speaks mandarin chinese will understand it... but someone from hong kong who speaks cantonese will also understand it! (if we globalize writing, i vote for chinese).

I also think several other asian countries have similar idea-based writing (japan, korea are two i'm pretty sure do.) of course, someone who knows how to write japanese won't necessarily know how to read chinese.

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Quote: "Spanish is becoming more and more of a popular language, Id learn it if I didnt have serious memorization problems"

yeah, with english being my first language, the most useful for me to learn is probably spanish. (almost all of latin america speaks it, and the USA is a next door neighbor)

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Posted: 30th Mar 2007 22:15
learn POLISH!

Seriously though if you don't know english learn english as many businesses in the world need people who speak fluent english.
Sure there are a billion people in china but they have different languages depending from what part your from ... The main ones are mandarin and cantonese. Then there's spanish or latin which will actually help you understand french , italian, spanish and other countries in the mediterrian sea. Oh learn polish as it will help you understand most of the slavic countries languages since they are all related. Its your choice though.
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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 00:15
Quote: "(followed by hindi spanish arabic and russian) "


Actually, Portuguese is more widely spoken than Russian.

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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 02:40
Quote: "Mandarin Chinese is the language with the largest number of people speaking it...

however the vast majority of those people are living in mainland china! English is spread over multiple countries. Either as a first language in quite a few or a second language in many."


Yeah, I thought of Chinese while posting, but hey, aside from the Chinese restaurants, who speaks Chinese (outside of China) English as Peter said is very well known around the world as a primary or secondary language, so in my opinion it's the best language to learn, because *almost* everywhere you go, you will be able to find someone who speaks it.

Spanish is slowly becoming a secondary language in the United States much to my dismay, as I really don't like the language. I learned it in 9th / 10th grade and just didn't really enjoy it's tone and accent, though the teacher was almost completely monotone so that didn't help, lol. I wanted to take German, but I heard it was incredibly difficult. Oh well.

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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 03:33
Best is to learn sign language then you can interact with every nation ... well atleast their deaf population. That actually is a kool language i honestly think it would be something interesting and new to learn. I might try and learn abit myself.
Benjamin
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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 03:47
Quote: "Best is to learn sign language then you can interact with every nation"

Not really, sign language is different in every country.

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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 05:09
It is ? wow then my sources are wrong. I thought it was a universal language.
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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 05:32
Quote: "but hey, aside from the Chinese restaurants, who speaks Chinese"


*Many* people outside of China speak Chinese. You can't walk down my street without hearing the *majority* of people speaking Chinese. Honest. I go on the SkyTrain and I'm one of the only white guys.

It's the same in other large cities, with their quickly growing China towns. Plus, Universities in English-speaking countries are being swamped with Chinese people.

Quote: "Not really, sign language is different in every country."


You're right. Most countries' deaf populations created their own sign language. Fascinating, really.

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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 08:07
Quote: "Plus, Universities in English-speaking countries are being swamped with Chinese people."

but they speak English, so it would be pointless for us to learn Chinese, when they already know English, and it would be much more beneficial for them to learn English than us Chinese because they can communicate with many people from many countries around the world.


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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 08:11 Edited at: 31st Mar 2007 08:12
Another point is that English is considerably simple compared to Chinese, at least for people who's native language uses the Latin alphabet. I guess one advantage of learning it would be that you could talk to oranges.

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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 09:38
Quote: "I guess one advantage of learning it would be that you could talk to oranges."


*groan*



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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 09:43
Quote: "Another point is that English is considerably simple compared to Chinese, at least for people who's native language uses the Latin alphabet."


Defiantly. Chinese can be a pain in the butt to learn (trust me I know, I'm learning right now). Trying to nail down a right tone in a word can be very annoying to learn if your used to English. In English you can speak however you like as long as you make the right sounds. In Chinese, if you put a different tone in you word when trying to say mom you might say horse instead. Very frustrating.

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Quote: "*groan*"

I thought it was a brilliant joke. Mean.

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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 11:09
What about Japanese, out of all of the languages I've attempted, its been the easiest (French, German, Italian, Spannish and Swedish), most people think it sounds hard but it isn't.

Watashi wa sakana desu = I am a fish
I (particle) fish am

Their grammar is fairly easy to grasp and words to pronounce. A wa B desu is the basic simple sentence, desu (pron. dess) carries many meanings. You can even replace it with verbs, 'nan wa anata shimasu ka' (Ka is a question particle, shimasu is to do, assuming my memory is right) What are you doing?

The only catch with languages like Japanese or Chinese, you'll have to learn many many symbols, they're easy to learn, the kanji symbols have a good pattern, like the symbol of 'brightness' is made up of the symbols for sun and moon.

But whatever language you choose, is the language that benefits you.

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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 13:02 Edited at: 31st Mar 2007 13:03
Quote: "but they speak English, so it would be pointless for us to learn Chinese"


Well, that's really blinkered "stare at my bellybutton" logic, isn't it?

I mean, since most people in the world speak English there's really no use, or indeed a point, for anglophones to learn to speak anything else! Except maybe that bushman clicking language from the Kalahari desert because they probably don't speak any English (the fools!).

Apart from any "use", learning a new language (even if it's to a basic level) is a way to broaden your horizons. It's a way of feeling what someone from the other side of the world feels, a way of culturally being in that person's shoes for a brief moment. It's a form of soaking a bit of foreign culture.

It is a huge form of acknowledgement to that other person if you can utter a few sentences in their language - and in return you feel a buzz, an empowerment really, when you connected to that person on their ground.

I'm sorry for the rant, but I get really wound up with these sorts of imperialistic attitudes.

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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 13:21
Quote: "The only catch with languages like Japanese or Chinese, you'll have to learn many many symbols, they're easy to learn, the kanji symbols have a good pattern, like the symbol of 'brightness' is made up of the symbols for sun and moon."


Yes then you realise you need to learn at lest 2000 just to be able to read the newspaper :/

Quote: "I mean, since most people in the world speak English there's really no use"


As it's been said before they don't, and that's a bad attitude, just look at what the british did to spain >_>

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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 13:46
Quote: "Yes then you realise you need to learn at lest 2000 just to be able to read the newspaper :/"


I did say there was a catch At least they're not difficult symbols to learn.

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