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Geek Culture / Pong: The first official video game ever made...WAS A RIP-OFF OF A VIDEO GAME MADE IN 1958?!?!?

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That C++ Nerd
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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 03:45
Some of you may or may not know this. But Pong, the first official video game was actually a rip-off and was stolen from scientist William Higinbotham somehow.

The REAL first video game was called Tennis for Two made in 1958 by experimenting with oscilloscopes (a grid screen like a black & white TV). The game was essentially the same idea as Pong except that Tennis for Two was NOT a video game but and EXPERIMENT.

So heres what happened...

I think it was called Sanders Associates, Sanders patented the concept of a so called "video game" in 1964. That patent was later transferred to Magnavox in 1971. Magnavox turns around and files a load of lawsuits to other "copycats" or otherwise Higinbotham, the creator of the first videogame. Since Higinbotham DID NOT register a patent, his creation was, well, not his creation legally at all. Higinbotham was the only one that possessed the original design sheets and blueprints, dated in the 1950's, but was later accused of fabricating the documents.

In the end, he was given no credit from any of the companies involved in the publishing of Pong.

For more info use Yahoo and type in "the first video game" OR TRY "William Higinbotham".
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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 03:53
probably because "magnavox" is easier to say than "william higinbotham"..

But seriously, if your going to invent something huge, get a patent

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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 04:01
excuse my language but i have to say:

no sh*t sherlock!


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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 05:15
Most people heard about this a couple years ago. Just getting the word out there more.
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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 05:20
i knew it was stolen, just couldnt remember who from. but really, why would anyone patent an experiment? i would of said the should of carbon dated the documents or something, but then i realised that most things we take for granted today didn't exist then.


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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 13:58
Didn't know this lol.Intresting..

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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 14:08 Edited at: 31st Mar 2007 14:11
Quote: ". But Pong, the first official video game was actually a rip-off and was stolen from scientist William Higinbotham somehow."


Umm, no. NIM was the first ever computer/video game (played on the NIMROD computer). That was in 1951. Pong is by far, not the first computer game - it was 1972

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Even Noughts and crosses for the EDSAC came before "Tennis for Two"


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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 16:16
and "computer space"..

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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 16:40
that was interesting

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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 17:28
The name says it all.. HiginBOTham

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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 22:45
This is preatty much common knowledge. I remember seeing a documentry on it on Icons. To bad bloody g4 killed the series . Anyway, Pong wasn't the first actual videogame, it was computer space.


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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 23:04 Edited at: 31st Mar 2007 23:06
Quote: "Sanders patented the concept of a so called "video game" in 1964"

Not true, in one respect anyway. I literally *just* read about this very topic last night in Game Developer Magazine, where they have an interview with the real father of video games, Ralph Baer (owner of Sanders), who obtained the first legal patent to electronic games... that part is true. But he called them "TV games," not "video games."

Here's his quote from the interview about the name:
Quote: "They were always called TV games. I have no idea who coined the term video game. That happened somewhere in the coin-op period, maybe around '73 or '74. Nobody called the original PONG game a video game. Nobody had heard that term.

To me, it was meaningful because the term "video" is now in use sort of generically for any kind of graphics, especially moving images, on a screen -- any kind of screen. But that's not how it was coined. A video signal was a very specific thing. It was a definitive term that only applied to raster-scan television."


Yep... I just typed that out by hand, no copy/ paste. and with this, I've did my part to educate tomorrow's generation on the history of our beloved industry .

lol anyway, Ralph Baer developed games while working on some secret government project, but the interview doesn't name specifically what the purpose of that project was. Now I want to know why the US military wanted to make games .


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Posted: 1st Apr 2007 00:17
Quote: "it was computer space."


That's wrong too. Barring NIMROD etc, computer Space was not, in actuality, the first coin-operated video game ever made. It was preceded by two months by Galaxy Game.


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Posted: 1st Apr 2007 02:22
Yea, Sanders did say something like that. Either way Higinbotham was still one of the first, but I don't think any of the other systems were patented. I do know Higinbotham wasn't the only one involved in the lawsuit, there were a couple others, none of my sources listed them.

There were others out there, but the lawsuit made Higinbotham the main target.
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Posted: 1st Apr 2007 02:49 Edited at: 1st Apr 2007 02:52
The patent system is crap. America and Japan have allowed software patents. If you ever travel there you could be arrested for breaking a patent you didn't even know existed!

Thank God the EU has seen sence and stopped this crud.. so far!

Writing software is like writting a book it sould remain under copyright law!

Americans have a history of stealing ideas and patenting them.. Sir Frank Whittle, inventor of the Jet Engine got his patented 6 years before the yanks but never got a penny

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Posted: 1st Apr 2007 03:10
What do you mean? Software *should* be patentable like every other invention. Stupid patents are stupid patents regardless of the type, but I don't see why a great new efficient sort algorithm shouldn't be patentable. What's the different between that and a great new efficient coat hanger?

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Posted: 1st Apr 2007 05:32
Wasn't the jet engine invented by a German in WWII?


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Posted: 1st Apr 2007 05:38
Quote: "Wasn't the jet engine invented by a German in WWII?"

Dunno who did it first, but during WWII the British and the Japanese were also researching jet propulsion.

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Posted: 1st Apr 2007 05:42
I know the British had that crazy-cool fighter near the end of the war, I think they kept it around for a while after that, but now I'm wondering if they beat the Germans, I know the Germans had that Henkel-thing (110 maybe?), the first "flying wing" bomber (sort of like a B2 but obviously a lot older).


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Posted: 1st Apr 2007 13:18
Quote: "What do you mean? Software *should* be patentable like every other invention. Stupid patents are stupid patents regardless of the type, but I don't see why a great new efficient sort algorithm shouldn't be patentable. What's the different between that and a great new efficient coat hanger?"


Sorry, but I've just patented the mechanism of posting opinions to forums, so you cannot type this here. Edit your post or I shall sue your ass off.


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Posted: 1st Apr 2007 16:24
I'm not sure I entirely agree that software should be patentable. Let's take a really simple set of commands:

If a = 1
print "hello world!"
endif

If that were patented, and every time someone used an IF statement they had to pay a nickel to the person who used it first, I think the world would be a radically different place, and computer technology wouldn't be nearly as advanced as it is today, know what I mean? I think Copyrights are more effective for protecting software and the source behind it because to patent the very concepts that make software tick would probably set us back quite a bit. But I don't really know much about patents and stuff so eh.


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@Matt Rock

Yes, the Germans were the first to design jet engines. I believe it was sold or transferred to BMW, who, after WWII, were forced to make cars, because the invention could easily make a plane drop hundreds of bombs over a large range area, in a small amount of time.


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I believe copyrights have their pros and cons.

Pros: Protect overall products including physical and virtual work, covering everything.


Cons: THEY DO NOT PROTECT IDEAS, BRAND NAMES, OR SLOGANS! IDEAS USE PATENTS. TITLES, BRAND NAMES, AND SLOGANS USE TRADEMARKS.

Overall copyrights are good, but someone can easily take your idea and put it in their own terms, words, and conditions. That's why patents are good for IDEAS.
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Posted: 1st Apr 2007 17:36 Edited at: 1st Apr 2007 17:38
Quote: "Yes, the Germans were the first to design jet engines. I believe it was sold or transferred to BMW, who, after WWII, were forced to make cars, because the invention could easily make a plane drop hundreds of bombs over a large range area, in a small amount of time."


That's wrong. Henri Coandă created the first jet propelled aircraft. He was Romanian. The Heinkel He 178 was the first 'true' turbine-equipped jetplane (and that was German). And I think Frank Whittle is responsible for Turbo-Jet.

EDIT: And the first operational fighter plane to use Jet/Turbojet propulsion was the Messerschmitt Me 262


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Posted: 2nd Apr 2007 00:36 Edited at: 2nd Apr 2007 00:36
Sorry to bump, but.

How'd this thread go from the first video game to WWII's jet engines from Henri Coandă?
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Posted: 2nd Apr 2007 09:44 Edited at: 2nd Apr 2007 09:46
Quote: "if that were patented, and every time someone used an IF statement they had to pay a nickel to the person who used it first, I think the world would be a radically different place, and computer technology wouldn't be nearly as advanced as it is today, know what I mean?"


Um, that couldn't be patented, as patent office workers are *supposed* to have brains. When Amazon patents something ridiculous like a one-click purchase, it is the fault of the patent office workers, not the patent system itself.

But if I invent some fast algorithm for, I dunno, a different type of fourier analysis that works 100x faster than before, I don't want some leech taking it and making money off it.

Obviously you have to understand what it means to patent something before you start debating its ethics. I don't live in a communist country where everything has to be shared and everyone equally gets a bit of everyone's communal work. Thanks, but no thanks. What's the difference between patenting a new way of doing a sort and patenting a new type of vacuum cleaner?

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Posted: 2nd Apr 2007 16:24
Did anyone say that the first compter they did this on cost about $58 millon(I think).

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Posted: 2nd Apr 2007 21:06 Edited at: 2nd Apr 2007 21:06
@HowDo
If your talking about the first video game (thread has gotten a little off topic)
It wasn't a computer, it was an oscilloscope. The unit itself was almost like a laser processing which path it would take from a form of electric current. That electric system hasn't been used in about 30 years.

@Everyone else, I'm with Jeku on the intellectual property.

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