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Guyon
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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 20:26
My entire family is thinking about getting mp3 players. It look like everyone is getting an 8 gig ipod nano.

I may the the hold out because the the 8 gig SanDisk Sansa looks so good.

Any help on making a good decision would be of great help. I think we ares staying away form hard drive models because two of us run and one is 11. I am worried that shock may kill hard drive based unit.
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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 20:45
They just did a review to pick the best sport/wearable MP3 player at the Gadget show this week. They were recommending the iRiver S10 Link is here

http://gadgetshow.five.tv/jsp/5gsmain.jsp?lnk=401&featureid=337&description=iPod%20Shuffle&show=s6e8§ion=Features

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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 20:59
you could also get the sony walkman player (8Gig) as it comes with a form of shock protection.

I have the smaller version of the sansa player and am very pleased with it.

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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 22:14 Edited at: 5th Apr 2007 22:17
Well I recommend getting the Sansa rhapsody, i'm prety sure it can hold a few thousand songs, not to mention the subscription service. I am a real fan of it on my zune, because I have about 1200 songs on my zune and the subscription allows me to get songs besides it would take like 7 years to pay as many subscription plan monthly fees to pay as much as buying each song directly. many ppl are hatin' the zune because of many minor problems, such as wifi cheapness, no scroll wheel, time it takesto use certain features, and for the fact that it doesn't support video or podcasts in stores. But seriously i just download my podcasts off the internet. Videos, i use DVD decryptor and the IPOD CONVERTER (which works withzune converting the video to MPEG2 i believe) anyway i like the zune but would probably consider for you getting the Sansa Rhapsody or Apple Ipod Nano (8 Gig)



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Robin
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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 23:07
I have a 20GB Iriver H10 which i brought about 6 months ago, but now I'm thinking of selling it and getting a smaller player....probably the 8GB nano (though I wish there was more than 8GB storage - that's pushing it a bit for me...)

Iriver's are awesome in terms of sound and build quality, far outstripping ipods....it's just the h10 i have, i find is too big for me to carry around everywhere i go, and the smaller irivers all only seem to have 1 or 2 GB memory....

anyone interested in buying an as-new, boxed h10 before i put it on ebay?

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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 23:11
Um I just have a 512 mb Creative MuVu. hee hee.
Guyon
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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 23:16
WOW guys this is a lot of nice info here. Going to check up on some of it.
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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 01:00
If you're gonna buy an iPod, you should probably get a case, I dropped mine and the screen broke
Red Stone Games
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GET A PSP

FOR THE FOLLOWING

- PSP games
- MP3
- Up to 12Gigs
- Photos
- Emulates
- Free internet (if you find it)
- Awesome graphics
- Flash (for flash videos and games)





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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 01:39
@Red Stone Games

It's cheaper just to buy a nano or something.
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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 02:25 Edited at: 6th Apr 2007 02:26
i have a 20GB Creative Zen Sleek-Photo

FM radio
mic
ability to record from both

[edit] it uses a harddrive though, so you might not want to get it.

the 8GB sandisk seems good to me.

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Guyon
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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 02:37 Edited at: 6th Apr 2007 03:09
I wold love a PSP but would be afraid to go running with it. LOL

That is why I am not sure of getting hard drive MP3 player.



@Peter H, How well does the hard drive handle shock? Can you go running daily with it?
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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 14:51
Archos 504 80GB Portable Digital Media Player and Recorder

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Van B
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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 15:04
The people who suggest handheld consoles like the PSP as replacements for MP3 players need to work out how much it costs for a PSP with 12gb memory, let's see, about £300!

Personally I wouldn't buy an iPod after the trouble I had with my sons Nano, damn thing bricked the first time I used it, then spent about 3 hours unbricking it (a bug in iTunes that apple don't care enough about to bother fixing) - I think I'd rather have a Sony model for the sound quality, or even a Creative Labs Zen, something like that. iPods are nice, but they're far too expensive for what you get - plus I'd much rather manually fill my player with tunes than use some bloated guff like iTunes.


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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 16:16
@Van: Bricked? eh?

I don't have a mp3 player myself, but my mum has a (slightly old) 4GB hard drive creative muVo. She uses it when she goes to the gym, and hasn't had any problems with it getting damaged while she's on the running machines, so i wouldn't worry about it breaking the drive too much.

that said, if you get solid state, it definately won't break the drive.

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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 16:34
Quote: "that said, if you get solid state, it definately won't break the drive.
"


Even if you decide to play football with? What? I've seen people do that with mobile phones to break out on the insurance...The phone won't break if you throw it, but football, well that's a different story.

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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 16:50 Edited at: 6th Apr 2007 16:58
I've recently bought a Creative Zen V Plus.

4GB Storage
FM RAdio
Microphone
Line-in recording
colored OLED screen
Video playback
Same size screen as an iPod nano
Half the weight. 43.5g
And the battery life is 15hrs of continuous audio playback
Can be used as a mass storage device.
And all it cost me was £80. Cheap.

LINK TO CREATIVE ZEN V PLUS SPECS

I really recommend this device. Its truly amazing. (you can get 8GB models also)

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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 17:12
Manic, Bricked basically means the things useless, locked up, fudged - happens with iPods, and also PSP's when people try to patch them. It often happens with patching these gadgets, they get confused or buggy software has it's way, and before you know it your sending your new toy away to be un-bricked.


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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 17:21 Edited at: 6th Apr 2007 17:25
Yeah iPods lock up a lot! Everyone keeps bringing them to me to unlock coz I know how it's done it's very annoying!

I personaly use a Sony Erikson K750i, MP3 + 2mp Camera + Phone + PIM all wrapped up in one neat device that only costs £89.



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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 17:38
aah, so its more about it being as technically useful as a brick, as opposed to some sort of odd specific error.

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David R
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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 17:49
I recently purchased an "ITronics" 20GB player, for rougly £50 on eBay. I haven't had any problems with it at all, and it is a very solid piece of kit, with a touch screen.

Why am I telling you this? Well, be open to look at 'lesser' non-name brands on eBay and other sites - you can often get a very decent capacity MP3 player for an extremely cheap price.

Don't splash out huge amounts of cash for no reason, just to simply get a 'cool name' band. It'll burn a whole in your pocket


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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 23:08
If it's for sports and you don't want it to break then anything like a Zen or an iPod you can pretty much forget about (anyone suggesting Zunes here? Chuckle...). Or pretty much most players out there. Just today though we found this thing after ages of looking for waterproof (nothing seemed to work 100%) and strong players that don't look like bricks. This was designed for surfers and snowboarders apparently.

http://www.freestyleaudio.com/buy.php

Ok, so only goes upto a gig and doesn't have a screen, but they have reviews of people swimming with it, and youTube videos of surfers using it underwater (it floats) along with waterproof earphones, as well as dropping it from several storeys onto concrete (along with a Nano that explodes pretty much) with no serious complaints. Oh and they launch it with a cannon thingy into a wall and it doesn't break. Tops.

It's gotta beat giant cases to hold your iPod inside (which are really large when waterproof and would you really trust it?)

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Posted: 7th Apr 2007 04:20
I have two 40 gig ipods and only one has locked up over the years of owning them.
I have them formatted for windows machines so i can use them on both systems.
I got them as a tax deduction as well because they can be used for client backups while im fixing the machine.

there are mp3 players that take any usb ram stick.
I would probably choose this method so you can effectively buy a new usb stick and fill it up then attach it to the mp3 player.

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We have 2 iPods in my flat. One is a Nano that had to go back several times to Apple because it totally locked up. Basically that on-off press 2-buttons reboot method didn't work. Made it run out of battery and after a few hours it would lock up again. And again. ie. you couldn't turn the damn thing off, then it would completely lock. Eventually we got it fixed (after they kept cocking up the engraving on the back - quick tip is too demand money back, they eventually put you through to proper English speaking people with half decent keyboards and everything gets sorted out and posted back to you within 2 days rather than 2 weeks) but even now with a totally new Nano (you can tell by the edges that it isn't the older Nano we had before but the new 1.1 type Nano (not the newer metal ones) it still stuffs up now and again when it just doesn't allow you to turn the damn thing off. Only now with the secret (but not secret as it's all over Apple's site and forums available with the smallest amount of browsing) on-off procedure will it turn off when this happens (although that didn't work with the original problem). As it happens so does my 60gb 5G (not quite the newest, but close enough) iPod. Every now and again, say once a month, then it just will not shut down until I do the on-off procedure.

Honestly, when everyone harps on about how ace iPods are I was suprised how not-that-much-better they actually are once I bought one. iTunes software much better? Well, a little. But hardly much better. And you constantly think "Hmmm. If I could be bothered and had the time I reckon I could do a better job....". Shouldn't be that way IMHO. And a better looking UI wouldn't be too far fetched surely. How about a wallpaper? Perhaps just allow a black "theme"? At least the battery would last longer (my old Sony gets about 70 hours out of a single AAA)....

Rant over. Get the indistructible waterproof effort I linked to. If any good then report back and I will get one

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Posted: 7th Apr 2007 15:50
iPods are really useless. A friend brought in his 60 quid 2gb shuffle. After a quick look around online, I found a 25 quid 2gb MP3 player with a screen(!), better battery life and it worked just like a normal flash memory stick so no (dodgy) iTunes. iPods are for retards who care more about brands than the products themselves.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Posted: 7th Apr 2007 16:04
I agree with you entirely. If you're going for quality, in terms of build quality and sound quality, get an IRiver . If IRiver had apples marketing team, that would be awesome most ipod owners haven't even heard of IRiver...

I hate it when people call all mp3 players 'ipods' too. Dunno why lol....it just annoys me.

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Posted: 7th Apr 2007 17:41 Edited at: 7th Apr 2007 17:43
Quote: "I hate it when people call all mp3 players 'ipods' too"
1st I've heard of it. But then again I work 99% with programmers, and we aren't that easily confused. iPods for me are still the music hard disk jukeboxes that stole the scene from Creative.

Quote: "iPods are for retards who care more about brands than the products themselves"
Good point there. Well thought out with excellent statements to back it up. I also hate the colour green. All green lovers suck because it looks like leaves, which also don't taste like meat. Who's with me!!!!

Personally I loved my old Sony. Was tiny, had gapless playback (years ago), and had battery life to die for. Main problem I had was I needed more storage and a better screen (which Sony totally sucked at at the time). The person who worked right next to me had an iRiver at the time, which was fine for storage but again the screen could have been better. Plus it was a brick. In the end he broke it by accident and got a Nano instead (was getting into marathons and the Nike Plus was on the horizon). My (and others that I know) main reason for iPods was they had massive amounts of accessories. Nothing else touched it at the time, and even now is like a mountain compared to others. My brilliant Sony player didn't even have a single armband for it, and thanks to Sony at the time they dropped all support and changed to a completely different design every 3 months, so no chance of 3rd party accessories either. The best MP3 player is not always the best *choice* basically. Just look at Betamax (it's technically a fair bit better than VHS).

At the end of the day devices like the Nike Plus or docks that come with cars (and don't look too much like an actual f**king dock or wiretastic cradle) seemed much more likely with iPods. Getting better nowadays with different devices though. With anyluck MS (everyones pinup company it seems these days - how things change in a couple of short years!!!) can sex up the Zune a little. Or iRiver can get big enough to make an impact and hopefully then getting a serious amount of 3rd party accessories.

Still, who's with me with the surfer MP3 player??? C'mon, surely someone will be my guiney pig before I take the plunge?

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Posted: 7th Apr 2007 18:45
Get the Zune. I have a 1st gen 2gb nano, a 5th gen 30gb ipod, and a 20gb iriver. Now in comparison to the ipod, the GUI needs some getting used to. It has no click wheel, but after you get passed it, the interface is quicker to use than the ipods, and easier to remember. The sound quality is AMAZING, even from the headphones that come with it. I love the white one, but decided to go for the black and it is amazing. Now if you dont want scratches, get the amazingly cheap $20 full protection griffin case. It is plastic about 1/4 of an inch thick, allows you to recharge in the case, has a cool stand, and everything. Thats $270 total need spending in comparision to the ipod cases which are expensive imo. I have found I get about 12 hours music just listening to it all the time. I get about 7-8 episodes of family guy on plane flights.

Now in comparison to the Iriver, the Zune is still better because of the space management on it. I personally couldnt care less about formats, I can always convert the files. I have 900 songs, 15 videos (13 family guy episodes, 2 1hr 30min movies), and 150 pictures of about 1200x1900 res, and I have 24 gigs remaining.

The Iriver tends to eat up space quicker imo, but if you dont care both are extremely good products, but I am in love with my Zune now.

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Posted: 7th Apr 2007 20:00 Edited at: 7th Apr 2007 20:02
Quote: "I hate it when people call all mp3 players 'ipods' too. Dunno why lol....it just annoys me."


What annoys me, is when people refer to MP3 players, and then refer to iPods as a completely separate thing for some reason.

EDIT:
Quote: "but I am in love with my Zune now."

Just out of interest, how much did your Zune cost you, and what's the capacity on it?


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Posted: 7th Apr 2007 20:25
I don't know how much it costs, but it has a 30gb of capacity. Most likely a hdd.

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My Zune costed me $200, for the Black Zune thanks to a mail in rebate. It holds 30gb. Most places the Zune costs $250, which is why I said with a $20 case it would be $270 most=)

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Posted: 8th Apr 2007 02:43
Quote: "I got them as a tax deduction as well because they can be used for client backups while im fixing the machine."


Great idea! I wrote my laptop off in 2005 because I used it for my "consulting" company. Because MP3 players are simply hard drives with a music GUI built-in, they can be used for backup.

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Quote: "iPods are for retards who care more about brands than the products "

lmao, hey your entitled to an opinion, regardless. pfft.

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