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halospree
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I have some stupid question..

Is a Geforce Go 7600 256mb better than a ATI X1300 512mb ?

Thanks

My game(no-name yet) 27% and stopped until FPSCX10
as I have vista and can't run the normal FPSC!
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Turoid
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Posted: 10th Apr 2007 21:43
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I don't know.. but have have an ATI and I hate it..

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Suicidal Sledder
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Posted: 11th Apr 2007 00:07
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I personally prefer nVidia over ATI but since the ATI has 256 megs more of memory it seems like that would be better... im not positive though..

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spooky
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I have a normal Geforce 7600 GS with 256MB as it is one of the last cards produced that has an AGP version and I wanted the V3 pixel and vertex shaders that it supports.

Personally I have always preferred Nvidia forceware drivers over ATI drivers.

Having never used that ATI card I can't really say if its better or not.

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Phaelax
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I've always preferred Nvidia myself as well. I bought a 9800 once and quickly returned it for a Geforce equivelant. Just last night I tried getting ATI drivers for a laptop, and it wouldn't let me download them cause it said it was an unauthorized download. I wasn't leaching the link either, I got to it by searching ATI(AMD)'s website. Their drivers are a hassle.

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Lucifer
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Quote: " I tried getting ATI drivers for a laptop, and it wouldn't let me download them cause it said it was an unauthorized download."


well the ati mobility drivers SUCK ASS, there is a driver out there called omega driver and that's what i use.. it greatly improved my card


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Darth Vader
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Quote: "well the ati mobility drivers SUCK ASS"

You can say that again! I use a MOD that lets me install Desktop Drivers for my Mobile card.


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Phaelax
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Good to know. Once I managed to get the NIC installed (hardly anything was detected during the XP install) I just let the Windows Update install the rest of the drivers. Laptop(Dell Latitude D600) used a Radeon 9000 mobility.

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Posted: 11th Apr 2007 09:43
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ATI X1950 with the newest catalyst drivers rocks!
You shouldn't badmouth ATI when you dont have a good ATI card!

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spooky
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Posted: 11th Apr 2007 12:41
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My old laptop also has a Radeon 9000 mobility in it and I have always used the Patje modtool to allow me to install the latest ATI driver. Like Phaelax says the normal ATI drivers cannot be installed on laptops normally as they will come up with an error message. ATI claim that your laptop manufacturer will keep drivers up to date on their website. What a load of old tosh. I bought my Amilo laptop years and years ago and they have never bothered putting a new ATI driver on website.

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Miguel Melo
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Posted: 11th Apr 2007 13:30
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I had a ATI 9600 pro and, back then, performance wise the ATI ruled over the Fx line.

Nowadays, I believe Nvidia boards are once again a better choice.

Drivers have always been worse than Nvidia though. In particular I have a Mobility 9200 on my laptop and even hacked drivers won't work on that one. I think the last one that did was a hack on 5.3 or 5.8 some 2 years ago. Since then they changed some dll or something to do with refresh rate and no amount of .inf modding makes it work.

So, I'd say, go for an Nvidia.

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GatorHex
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Posted: 11th Apr 2007 14:00 Edited at: 11th Apr 2007 14:18
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Nvidia use a universal drive which means your card will work in the next version of windows in another 3 years time

The 7600GS should be faster than the x1300. I think the x1600 is the ATI equivilent of the 7600GS in terms of speed.

If you were lucky enough to have the 7600GT version it is equivilent to the ATI x1650XT

http://www.trustedreviews.com/graphics/review/2006/06/21/Inno3D-7300-GT-vs-Sapphire-X1300/p5

http://www.techspot.com/review/31-radeon-x1650xt-vs-geforce-7600gt/page4.html

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Vampiric
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Posted: 11th Apr 2007 14:40 Edited at: 11th Apr 2007 14:40
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I have an ATI x1950 pro and I love it to death, with the settings on max in stalker and oblivion make it my favourite cheap card (£101 in vat on ebuyer)

Plus two in crossfire are very nice as my mate found out a month ago

Computer says n00bed
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PAGAN_old
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Posted: 11th Apr 2007 14:55
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i remember how i ripped myself off bying a 5200 fx for $100, then i got a 9800xt, it was so much better.

My laptop has an x700 128 mb, IT RULES for a laptop.

I am loking forward to getting an 8800 sometime soon because its for dx10

dont hate people who rip you off,cheat and get away with it, learn from them
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if you are going to use blender get nivida cards, outherwise it dosent rilly matter.
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Morcilla
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Posted: 12th Apr 2007 12:39
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ATI video cards have --higher-- output quality than nvidia ones.
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Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 12th Apr 2007 12:49
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Or just get an Intel graphics card, come on guys, we all know they're far better than those two pieces of junk.

I've had a good experience with ATI, but I've only used their PCI and AGP cards, I don't know how fit they are for PCI-Express cards, but from what I've mostly heard, GeForce have taken the lead there.

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I prefer nVidia for one simple reason. Their numbering system. GPU Generation followed by a low - high number code. So, the 7300 is not as good as the 7600 or the 7800, however while the 6800 might be faster than the 7300, the 7300 supports later shader models and other graphical tricks. Also anything with an 8xxx is going to be direct X ten, so when the entry level cards (between 0 and 400) come out it will be as 8100 - 8400, the mid level cards will be between 8450 - 7750, and the high end cards will be between the 8800 and 8999 range. So you can quickily and easily assess the CPU's generation, plus it's speed and the range of PC that it will suit. I've looked at ATI's numbering system and still don't understand it!
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Voodoo is the better brand...


Making better games everday!
Oh yeah and just so you know its Oh-nek-a not One-ka!
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indi
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Posted: 13th Apr 2007 00:56
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verse debates are for noobs.

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Kenjar
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Posted: 13th Apr 2007 01:44
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It depends on your perspective. If you are simply sick of people debating it then in your view it is. If you are actually interested in the technology, or looking to purchase a new card, the debates are very useful. Lets face it, in the game market the only real players in the gaming market these days are nVidia and ATI.

Either way, debating is certainly not for newbies (the polite way of putting it btw), after all, a true newbie wouldn’t understand what was being said anyway.
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indi
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your probably right kenjar, I am sick of vs posts.
If I was to buy a video card, I would rush here first for advice, then seeking information on the net from vendors as well as hardware comparison websites.

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Posted: 13th Apr 2007 02:01 Edited at: 13th Apr 2007 02:02
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It's always good to get real life accounts I think. I, as you do, spend hours pouring over web sites, reviews and more importanly comparison reviews. But it's still fun talking about it. And there are alot of users out there who really don't understand what stream processors are, what a shader model is, or what the advantages between a 320-bit memory interface and a 384-bit interface is. For these people, seeing users who have had personal experiance of the hardware can be far more useful. Perhaps Jaded users such as myself and you on the other hand, don't get quite the same out of it, new users do.
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Quote: "Voodoo is the better brand.."


aw you beat me to it, I was just about to say that. I used to think Glide would be far superior than anything DX would ever accomplish. doh!

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Quote: "I prefer nVidia for one simple reason. Their numbering system. GPU Generation followed by a low - high number code. So, the 7300 is not as good as the 7600 or the 7800, however while the 6800 might be faster than the 7300, the 7300 supports later shader models and other graphical tricks. Also anything with an 8xxx is going to be direct X ten, so when the entry level cards (between 0 and 400) come out it will be as 8100 - 8400, the mid level cards will be between 8450 - 7750, and the high end cards will be between the 8800 and 8999 range. So you can quickily and easily assess the CPU's generation, plus it's speed and the range of PC that it will suit. I've looked at ATI's numbering system and still don't understand it!"


You can say that again!

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Well it looks as if ATI ha just taken some major ass-kicking there, I wonder what will happen when ATI comes out with its R600?
Also though i'm going to buy Dual 8800 GTXs it looks as if the NVIDIA forceware drivers for Vista don't even support SLI fo 8800GTXs in X9 or X10 ! So i right now would be lead to beleive that Catalyst control center is better [for the moment] as it supports dual cards. But thats is just for now...

My game(no-name yet) 27% and stopped until FPSCX10
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From what ive seen, nvidia is ahead of the game, and continues to be. Not only do they have the 8800, but rumor of the 8600 dx10 gpu at prices in the hundreds will decimate any ati competition, if its real of course .


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Yup ATI is probably going to go down, but it probably has something up its sleeve Read This: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/read_article.php?topic_id=25417704&union_id=3092 Also try this: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25417700&union_id=3092&msg_id=284868183#1

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Quote: "your probably right kenjar, I am sick of vs posts."

I'm sick of most of them too, but when it comes to down someone actually needing to purchase, I thinks it good seeing different points of view, as long as they aren't radical and dumb

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Quote: "I thinks it good seeing different points of view, as long as they aren't radical and dumb"


I couldn't agree more. Did I mention ATI used child labor, and hates world peace?\

/end sarcasm
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Well in that case, I'm ripping out my ATI radeon, who cares if my computer is still turned on, no pain no gain...I guess.

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Child Labor? What a stupid rip off.. And realley I would not think of that to be true... If it is they could get arrested

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Go with the 7600 Go, much better then the x1300 series.

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Quote: "Child Labor? What a stupid rip off.. And realley I would not think of that to be true... If it is they could get arrested"


It was sarcasm mate


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For gaming, Nvidia is better then ATI.<---period!
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I can say that my nvidia has z-fight issues, while my radeon hasn't.
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Ati have graphic tweaking apps
Nvidia have none

Nvidia tend to give you a free game (a better idea on if they work)
Ati tend to be the more supported

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Quote: "Ati tend to be the more supported"


Bwahaha none Linux user I take it?

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nVidia have no graphics tweaking apps? To be frank, I have never heard such a load of crap in all my life. What you mean is nVidia don't include useless modes in their tweaking apps such as that matrix esque mode in some ATi firmware.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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somewhat on topic:

I wish I had either. I am stuck with an INTEL 82855 GME graphics card. The real kicker, is that the chipset supports T&L but Intel just hasn't gotten around to including it in the driver.

Quote: " Intel - "1 Although the chipset hardware itself supports T&L, future graphics drivers will be required to utilize this feature.""


Grrrrr!!!!


This thread really helped me. Seems that Toshiba, my laptop's brand, had the latest driver date being 2004. So I went to Intel and downloaded the their latest version August 2006. At first it wouldn't let me install. So I removed the driver/device all together. Upon reboot I was able to install the "actual" latest drivers.

And what a difference. I now have Vertex Shaders 1.0-3.0
Now if only it supported Pixel Shaders....


Everything is so much snappier. Controls for gamma, contrast, brightness. Toshiba seriously limited the ranges. After some adjustments, and changes to 3D rendering (that Toshiba decided not to give me), my laptop looks as crisp as the new laptops out.

I was finally able to load up Guild Wars. Life is good again!

Thanks for the post!!! It got me looking into my setup further.


Does anyone know about an unofficial driver for the Intel 82855 GME that makes hardware T&L available???? Who knows if or when Intel will think it's important.
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Quote: ""I prefer nVidia for one simple reason. Their numbering system. GPU Generation followed by a low - high number code. So, the 7300 is not as good as the 7600 or the 7800, however while the 6800 might be faster than the 7300, the 7300 supports later shader models and other graphical tricks. Also anything with an 8xxx is going to be direct X ten, so when the entry level cards (between 0 and 400) come out it will be as 8100 - 8400, the mid level cards will be between 8450 - 7750, and the high end cards will be between the 8800 and 8999 range. So you can quickily and easily assess the CPU's generation, plus it's speed and the range of PC that it will suit. I've looked at ATI's numbering system and still don't understand it!""


So does ATI? x550, X700, X850... x1300, x1550, x1600, x1900? Pretty simple to me also? SE (suck edition), Pro (intermediate), XT (extreme). I think it is much better then Nvidia because GS is weaker and XT is sometimes weakest and it varies on the cards generation. All in all they aren't hard to understand at all.

Quote: "Bwahaha none Linux user I take it?"

Actually, lately, there has been some decent support for ATI on linux, not directly from AMD-ATI but there are drivers now out there and you can play 3d games on many ATI based cards flawlessly. Its not perfect yet but it is getting much better and almost on par with nvidia, its just much easier to install and nvidia driver for linux because there are automated installers but the performance is near what ATI is now on linux.

Quote: "Ati have graphic tweaking apps
Nvidia have none

Nvidia tend to give you a free game (a better idea on if they work)
Ati tend to be the more supported"

I take it you do not know much about video cards or marketing?

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Linux or at least the most popular versions of Linux (Ubuntu, SUSE,etc.) are supported by both ATI and NVIDIA, but NVIDIA has much better support for it, especially with the 7900s and Quadros series...

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Quote: "Linux or at least the most popular versions of Linux (Ubuntu, SUSE,etc.) are supported by both ATI and NVIDIA, but NVIDIA has much better support for it, especially with the 7900s and Quadros series..."


It is not so much the linux distro being used, it is the fact that the nvidia drivers are open source while ATI is not.

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