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zzz
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Posted: 6th May 2007 19:52 Edited at: 6th May 2007 19:53
It sure looks like it does.
http://media.wii.ign.com/media/904/904211/img_4517759.html
I hope they doesn´t plan to sell this, it looks awful.

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Posted: 6th May 2007 23:08
i know they can do better than that .

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Posted: 6th May 2007 23:58
Surely these screenshots are from N64?


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Posted: 7th May 2007 00:03
This has got to be an indie game, I don't see it being otherwise for the quality of graphics there.

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Posted: 7th May 2007 00:31
the 1st one killed it

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Posted: 7th May 2007 09:15
well it is the wii
none of the GFX are any good in a way
it doesnt have the hardware to have good games, its a Japanese kiddy console


Mods, its 500x100, so you cant tell me its bigger than 600x120
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Posted: 7th May 2007 09:24
Quote: "none of the GFX are any good in a way
it doesnt have the hardware to have good games"


You just described every dumb gamer of the 21st century. You don't require good graphics for the game to be good! you need good gameplay, storyline etc; while graphics are a factor in some genre of games, they aren't required for all.

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Posted: 7th May 2007 12:49
Besides the Wii can do much much better graphics than that, heck so can the Game Cube. Ditto to DC, that was pretty much the purpose of the Wii, whilst everyone is focusing on uber graphics, they thought they'd try something different.

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Posted: 7th May 2007 13:17
i just dont like ninetendo


Mods, its 500x100, so you cant tell me its bigger than 600x120
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Posted: 7th May 2007 13:25
Why? They are better than s0ny and microdollar!

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Posted: 7th May 2007 13:32
i dont like the looks of there anime type characters, and theres about 2000 mario type games


Mods, its 500x100, so you cant tell me its bigger than 600x120
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Posted: 7th May 2007 13:42
I'm not defending the Wii, those graphics are freaking appalling, even if the gameplay was incredible it'll still bomb because it looks like crud. But the Wii is certainly capable of much much more than what we've seen so far, we should wait for the Resident Evil games as I think those will be the start of the console maturing, we'll get the violent games we deserve after those come out.


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Posted: 7th May 2007 14:07
why cere about good graphics, every game that has good grapics has terable gameplay. and fps games are prity mutch all thats avaloble at the moment, FPS IS BORING.

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Posted: 7th May 2007 14:32
If the GameCube is any indication the Resident Evil games will be where Nintendo gets the graphics right.
All of the RE games made for the Cube (not ports) are absolutely gorgeous.
Like the second floor of the dining room in RE 2000 when you walk across it the dust kicks up from off of the floor.Absolutely amazing.
Quote: "I hope they doesn´t plan to sell this, it looks awful."

I agree.

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Posted: 7th May 2007 19:43
Quote: "every game that has good grapics has terable gameplay"


Are you sure?

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Posted: 7th May 2007 20:07
I'd recommend you do some more research on the game before blasting it based on some low-resolution images from the PC version.

Although it no doubt won't look much different between the PC and Wii, the game itself is a little shocking more for the overall design. The graphics themselves are on-par with Bauldur's Gate Dark Alliance, some of the enemies just aren't quite as good as you might hope. There also currently seems to be a lack of correct Shader useage, graphically nowadays this can make or break visual appeal.

I'll say that while sure it isn't quite what you would expect from a current generation game, it's not as bad as what you see from people around here. If you get a chance to see the trailers (or download and play the demo from callforheros.com) then you'll see that it's only really the character models that are quite low-quality. The animations are fairly decent and the worlds are quite good despite the environment artist having a destinct lack of lighting knowledge.

The game itself is looking (and playing) quite solidly right now, and they're set for a Holiday 2007 release. This gives them another 6months atleast to polish the graphics to be on-par with currenty PC/Wii releases. Although I doubt they will given the companies previous line of products, atleast the game itself will have fairly excellent gameplay; and given AD&D Real-Time RPGs are fairly nitché in their market .. most players caring more about the actual RPG System, I think it should do alright for what it is.

Doesn't mean I don't wish I could slap the lead artist with a trout and say "bad" though. :p

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Posted: 7th May 2007 20:15 Edited at: 7th May 2007 20:17
This screenshot is what's worrying me:

http://uk.media.wii.ign.com/media/904/904211/img_4517763.html

I mean look at how few polygons are spent on the level itself, you have to admit that's not something they should be showing people if they intend to improve on it that much.


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Posted: 7th May 2007 20:25
Yeah, I saw that shot... There's no excuse for that

Wii is definitely capable of better. I don't know what they are doing.

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Posted: 7th May 2007 20:33
Dear God!...that is incredibly low poly for something today! I think I'll back up the comment saying that it's N64 quality. I'm sorry but their engine must be pretty weak if the modellers can't spare a few extra polies.

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Posted: 7th May 2007 20:38
I hope that game's normal camera angle is 100ft up at least. Otherwise, the graphics suck.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Posted: 7th May 2007 20:58
Never bothered to look all the way through the media on IGN, but as I mentioned above.. it should be noted that the screenshots are not for the Wii but PC (available on callforheros.com). That said when you move from one platform Windows x86 w/OpenGL to Linux PPC w/OpenGL there will be some fairly dramatic changes.

Don't get me wrong, the PC version is hardly "ground-breaking" with it's engine. In-fact for what's on-screen you will need a 1.2GHz, 256MB, Shader 1.1 64MB System which while slow by todays standards this game doesn't even come close graphically to Knights of the Old Republic. (which was hardly visually amazing either)

Something that I think is lost though, is this is being developed by a fairly small, low-budget development team who have moved from application programming. All here should know full-well how well application programmers are at developing game engines.. case'n'point is really TGC.

It takes time to learn what they need to, and while this might seem like a shockingly poor attempt. Given their background, development time, cross-platform development and small development team. I think the current results (try the demo) are actually quite good.

The attempt is really similar to what ppl here would've come up with, and I think really this is the sort of thing people should be aiming for. Rather than the unrealistic markers set by those indie teams who have either studied at university on game design and development for 4 years.. or have been working in the mod community for even longer. AAA results graphically shouldn't always be expected, but I think that given the progress (from screenshots) they've made since they began they're actually improving.

Seriously hope this does, well. Cause atleast it'll show that it's how a game plays and feels as opposed to putting in more bloom and normal mapping than your competitor that matters. Doubt it, but worth a hope.

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Posted: 7th May 2007 21:02
Another dire game for the Wii, in a rapidly growing long line of dire games for the Wii... sigh...

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Posted: 7th May 2007 23:20
And another one that's pants...

http://gamenationbase.com/?p=177

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Posted: 7th May 2007 23:34
i havent got a wii but all the games ive seen for it are verry cartoony, why?

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Posted: 7th May 2007 23:37
Why pay 180 quid for a junk console when for

20 quid (second hand Wiimote, factory sealed)
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10 quid (second hand Nunchuk, also factory sealed)
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5 quid (USB Bluetooth dongle)

it's possible to use the Wiimote and Nunchuk in uber 1337 games like Oblivion? I've made a script in something like five minutes that correlates sword draw/put away movements to the F key (draw weapon), swings/B to mouseclick (attack), dpad to WASD, home to tab (inventory), A to jump, minus to LCTRL (stealth) ,A+B to Z (grab) and plus to space? It works great!


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Posted: 7th May 2007 23:53 Edited at: 7th May 2007 23:54
Quote: "well it is the wii
none of the GFX are any good in a way
it doesnt have the hardware to have good games, its a Japanese kiddy console
"


well it is Mr Makealotofsmoke
none of his games are any good in a way
he doesnt have the skill to have good games, its a troll

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Posted: 8th May 2007 05:35
This is probably an indie developer. How can people slam this game when I personally haven't seen a full commercial game look this good from this forum?

Quote: "every game that has good grapics has terable gameplay"


Uhh are you wanting this to turn into a flame-bait? That sentence makes about as much sense as "all games with crap graphics are awesome!"

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Posted: 8th May 2007 06:26
maybe the graphics are bad because it's hugeeeee levels, I mean it would be great to have a huge level and like Jeku said it could be an independent developer, so that's pretty good.

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Posted: 8th May 2007 08:40
I take it no-one else except me felt the urge to download the demo and try it out.

You know something I've never understood is how people look at a screenshot and judge how something will look real-time. That might've been possible 7years ago, or on the Playstation2. Problem is that since then Shaders have come along and there's just as much that you can't see in screenshots. Most of the time low-resolution at that, rather than full-resolution on a screen the same size as most peoples TVs.

Biggest one I still find tickles my funny bone is Resident Evil 4. So many people panned that on the GameCube and said that MGS3 had better graphics (which while they were nice, they were BLOOM related; it's like the benchmark game for bloom making up for lacking texture quality, etc.) despite what RE4 truely offered graphically. Was more retarded when it finally hit the PS2 and the graphics didn't come close to the GC version, but low'n'behold people mentioned how it looked better than MGS3.

All of those niggles people notice when looking at a screenshot, just aren't there when you're playing.. unless it's a HD television and the game is HD. (cough:resistance:cough)

I'm close to breaking down things about the Wii and what it could graphically do.. while sure processing and graphics wise it isn't quite in the same league, it certainly isn't a slough.
Yes, physically speaking it is only clocked 2x quicker than the GameCube; remember the hardware inside is current generation.
Processor is not 32-bit Embedded (cut-down) version but a 64-bit full processor. The GPU is identical, just lower core speed to the Xbox 360 one.. but then given the only HD resolution is 480p, this actually doesn't matter. Cause it doesn't need to do AS much work.

I reckon, it would be possible to get Gears of War running on the Wii with similar graphics. Getting the physics and ai on the other hand would be a challenge. That said I've not worked with the console yet, so no idea what it can do realistically; only what the technical specs would suggest.

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Posted: 8th May 2007 09:27
Well you won't hear me saying a word against RE4 on the GC, best game of all time IMO.
I think the problem is that the Wii is somewhat lacking in the graphics stakes right now, there's nothing that pretty out for it, and we see another example of the Wii being under-used and as nintendo fans, well we just want them to do well and shut some of the Wii-haters up, just like RE4 did for the GC. I mean the GC version of RE4 makes the PC version look like a turd on a stick, not that the PC's ropey graphics put me off playing through it, I just thought it was funny how I was running round a spooky graveyard in the middle of the night, yet the scene was fully bright, no moody night scenes on the PC! - it's like they forgot to add one of the most important elements. It's like Capcom deliberately made the other versions look crud , good on them!.


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Posted: 8th May 2007 09:39
By the way there's a new patch for RE 4 on the PC that apparently makes it sexy.

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Posted: 8th May 2007 09:47
They could've done more with the PC version, no idea why they didn't. I know for the PS2 version they truely hated trying to get it as good as it was.. but it lost the entire mood really.

You guys seen "Umbrella Chronicles" for the Wii? It's still getting RE5, but UC is like an on-the-rails shoot'em-up. Looks pretty damn good too. Makes me wish RE, and RE0 had been full 3D on the GC.. doesn't stop them looking great and being sweet games though.

Hope the Wii does get one of those graphics killer games.
You ever wonder why they didn't release a version of RE4 for Linux? I mean given the origial platform, would've made sense. So would've a MacOSX version.

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I think it would have done really well on the Mac, would have made a lot of Mac users very happy to get a game like that.

I'll look into that patch, I already played through once so now it's just fun, have all the maxed out weapons and stuff, and the big attache case, so when you go to play it all over again, you get an amazing head start and can get revenge on the 'zombies' who made it difficult the first time.

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Posted: 8th May 2007 11:13
Another port, all the publishers are really doing at the moment is get games on there in as short a time as possible because they were surprised by the success of the thing.

It really is high time for a few decent games now...

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Posted: 8th May 2007 15:48
I'd say most decent PC games at this time is a pipedream. Developers are concentrating on the consoles too much. When the PC is finally thought about, it's some rehashed port that requires a power-house just to boot up.

I'm begining to wish there was some sort of realistic standard system for PCs again, something for developers to use as a benchmark goal. Good question though is, does anyone know of any interesting games being released soon?

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Posted: 8th May 2007 16:34
LOST.

It's the only game I'm looking forward to on PC/360, even considering Halo3 which I'll probably enjoy a great deal, but I'll be very surprised if it's too different to Halo2.
I think that UbiSoft, the guys making LOST will put the effort into the PC version, and the 360/ps3 version would come from that, the way it's supposed to be.

I mean, Gears of War is being converted for PC, hell it was playable on PC long before the 360, but there's still that feeling that your getting a port. Not sure how it'll pan out, but I think a 3rd person game with a mouse and keyboard is a novel approach to the usual FPS formula, it's not a widely used system on PC's because it get's the cookie-cutters dirty .


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are there ever any games that arnt rubish fps? i like 3rd person games

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RE4 is coming our for wii,farcry was a bad port and redsteel could have been better but it was a pretty good game. Manhunt is going to be for psp ps2 and wii so the graphics aren't going to be the best but the gamecube could handle RE4 fine so i wouldn't worry about graphics on the wii and if the action is constant you have time to notice the graphics.
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Posted: 8th May 2007 22:13
I think it's ridiculous that people look at a few screen shots and assume that the wii sucks and can't have graphically pretty games. Although we haven't seen any stunners, this isn't purely the Wii's or Nintendo's fault. Developers so far have not pushed their graphics to the limits that the wii can go to, and it's a shame. Personally, I'm waiting for Resident Evil; that should stop some of the wii bashing nonsense.

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Posted: 8th May 2007 23:01 Edited at: 8th May 2007 23:02
As soon as they release a version with dual analog controls, this will be my next console GP2X(portable).



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I´m not a wii hater, I own a wii myself and I think that it´s a wonderful machine. However, I have now watched the trailer for the game, it says: "face hordes of monsters". Wow. Other than the size of the levels and the "hordes of monsters" this game looks awful. I can understand that it won´t look like the "big" titles if it´s developed by an unexperienced indie team(still, many of the projects on this forum looks better than this game), but then I hope that they won´t charge full price for it. Wasn´t wii going to have one more section at the shop channel, for indie games? Maybe this is one of those games?

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Yeah, were a forgiving bunch when it comes to indi stuff, if it is a cheaper game, then it changes things a bit. God knows we know what it's like trying to get quality media.
My sons been playing Fable recently, looking at that it looks pretty ropey these days, yet I remember it looking fantastic!, I suppose a good game can still survive against next gen stuff despite non-glitzy graphics.


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Posted: 9th May 2007 05:55 Edited at: 9th May 2007 06:03
This is kind of interesting...



That model doesn't look bad. But, it's really a 3DRT stock model...



And the male as well...





Although they changed him up a bit, like removing that groin guard. I don't know why they'd do that... In the video he's actually holding that same shield.

I guess it's a low budget production. Maybe it's fun? Anyway, we should probably wait to see it before we condemn it, if it is a low budget production then we should be rooting for it. It's not like our game's graphics are any better.

Quote: "this game looks awful"

That's easy for us to say. But it's not true. Show me a DBP game of this genre that looks better than this...



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Posted: 9th May 2007 08:19
It doesnt look that bad it looks pretty cool actually and no its not dark matter graphics.

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Posted: 9th May 2007 08:31
I'd be happy to call it my game!!!! It looks good to me too.

But then again I grew up loving games on the Atari 2600, and later on ejoyed all the Zorks, Hitchiker's Guide to the Galzy, Infocom, Sierra etc... And I was wuite happy the oringinal Ultima graphics.

So I definately don't put all my love for games on the graphics. And I like my gamecube graphics just as much as my PS2. Mario Sunshine was great, Metroid Prime, and Zelda Twilight Princess really showed that this console had a lot more to offer.

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Posted: 10th May 2007 02:17
I don't think "Spiderman" is NOT a good example for a bad Wii game. Any game with the word Spiderman in the title is utter trash. I don't even have to pick the box up to know that now.

As for the Wii. I love playing Wii Sports and Zelda, Wario is alright but its a bit shallow. I've just ordered Elebits and considering Kororinpa...maybe... But I'm getting impatient for something that will live up to Zelda (hmm - maybe the next Zelda?!). Mario - always has something new to add - but after that... could be a Wii trip to Ebay...

90% of ALL third party games on Wii have been mediocre, derivative, unimaginative attempts at levering the Wiimote control system onto a substandard genre piece.

Yes, first party Ninty games are generally derivative as well (eg: same old characters/settings). But they usually have at least one new, GOOD idea, to make them stand out.

Ironically, it seems EA, King of derivative gaming is looking to the Wii to create something a bit fresh...

The worst thing about the Wii though is lack of online ANYTHING.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=163565

The real Wiimote->PC fun comes from using the accelerometers:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wiisticks&search=Search

http://www.nuclex.org/games/ballance

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Posted: 10th May 2007 20:02 Edited at: 10th May 2007 20:58
Quote: "My sons been playing Fable recently, looking at that it looks pretty ropey these days, yet I remember it looking fantastic!, I suppose a good game can still survive against next gen stuff despite non-glitzy graphics."

fables got good graphics, too short though.
Quote: "Although they changed him up a bit, like removing that groin guard. I don't know why they'd do that"
real barbarians don't need groin gaurds.

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