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SpyDaniel
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I am thinking of going to Paris for a weekend some time in the future. I was just wondering if any one here has gone before and if you have any thing to say that would make me feel better about going and not being able to speak french.

I have been before, but with my school, back when I was in school that is, which was a good 5 years ago. But I had teachers that could speak the language then.
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Many french speak english.I've bein there once.

One moment you hear one speaking english,the other moment you ask him something he mumbles some french crap he cant speak english.
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Talk in a foreign accent. I may be welsh but sound as english as hell. I found if I let my Serbian friend do the talking (in english) then things went a lot smoother than if I did. We were in a pretty smart hotel too, but the main bloke in the reception practically looked at me like scum. Yeah, yeah, spot the platinum credit cards you stuck up slightly higher than waiter person you (it doesn't help I can look like a homeless person at times)....

Oh, and if you are concerned then try taking a PDA with some translation software on it. We got some that recognises speech (both french and english I believe) and then speaks the other language for you. Bit like one of those Star Trek gizmos. Worked pretty well because you used different subjects so it wouldn't get confused with what you said. eg. you would say "Eating out->Restaurant->Wine->Can I try the house wine" and it would say "Blerty merty jonty fonty, mmmm?". Or something to that effect... Turned out though we didn't need it, as we could just about get by everywhere speaking english. Very touristy.

We were happy we paid a little more for a good hotel (about half a mile from the Louvre). On the way back to the airport the nutty driver (they are all mad) of the van thingy stopped at another hotel well far away from the centre and I saw a couple of homeless types puking up in the street, 3 working girls that looked well past their prime, plus a load of needles on the pavement. Nice. We then proceeded to drive like french people do in movies. I almost became religious on that drive. The driver also (while turning completely around at about 80mph and undertaking another car) pointed out where Princess Di (bless her heart etc etc) died.

And go on one of the dinner boat cruises at night. Most have restaurants on board and some sort of disco effort. Very good though as you get to see loads of the city in the night without moving yourself much. Plus the Eiffel tower is brilliant by night. The statue of liberty replica is a bit sad though. It's a lot smaller than the one they gave the Americans. Although there is an exact size replica of the flame somewhere or other.

Oh, and even though I am not a big museum fan, if you don't go anywhere else than up the tower then go to the Louvre. Totally awesome. Even the big London ones can't compare. Apart from the Mona Lisa. Totally sucked. Esp after seeing like thousands of other works of art that are like huge (Mona Lisa is really really tiny). And it takes ages to get a view (lots of people in tiny space).

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Its too bad I dont know any of you in person, as my dad doesnt want me going on my own, yet he also says I'm old enough to do what I like? Hmm, I dont think so if hes stopping me going alone.

My other friends are all too busy with work or education to go.

Maybe I should host a contest. The person who is the best at being a friend gets £100 but you have to come with me to paris (this is a kind of truthful offer, yet, I dought it would work, is any one that mad?)

Too bad my computer is not a person, I would take him then.
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I'd suggest you learn at least a bit of French, even just stock phrases. They appreciate the effort.

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Mon Dieu is all I can say!

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Quote: "Blerty merty jonty fonty, mmmm?"


Is that the upper or middle class French dialect?

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Im off to Paris in August for my anniversary. Its been 15 years since I spoke any French, think its time to brush up.
I hear the beer is ridiculously expensive is this true?

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Quote: "Too bad my computer is not a person, I would take him then"
Careful. Thin ice with comments like that. Bit like people who owned and knew what "Amiga" meant....

Quote: "Is that the upper or middle class French dialect?"
Lower middle. Obviously things sound a little different in Paris itself...

Quote: "I hear the beer is ridiculously expensive is this true?"
I don't remember Wasn't that bothered though as beer near London is pretty pricey. Oh yeah, I did have a pint next to Notre Dame and it was well pricey. Think it was something like £15 for a beer and a coffee in a cafe.

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just one tip, if going to any country, not just france, and you're not confident in the language, it's easier for everyone if you just speak english as you would to an english person.

DO NOT put on any accent
DO NOT try to speak the language unless you are at least 90% sure of the words, grammar and pronunciation
DO NOT speak pigeon english, that is to say, dont miss out vital words because you consider them unnecessary, ie say "i want to go to the top of the Eiffel tower" not "i want go top tower"
DO NOT hope that by talking louder will make it easier to understand you. by all means talk slower than usual, but just a little, not in a patronising way.
DO NOT mix the two languages together. ie inserting "le" or "la" everywhere

I find american tourists are the worst for this at whatever country I go to. the worst example of all of the above was when i was on the middle floor of the eiffel tower, this american woman approached a guard, and spoke in a stereotypical loud american accent: "excuse me, le where le stairs le top?"

regardless of the fact that you have blatently made no attempt at learning the language, it is far better than pretending you know it and simply being insulting. not only will it make you easier to understand if you just try to talk normally, but it will also not make you (and your country) look like an idiot ^_^.

(but fortunately for me, i can speak french; it was portugal what i learnt these lessons)

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I just think its silly to put on an accent or talk funny so foreigners can understand you, which they cant.

I think english is what ill use and hope I get the english speaking people
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When I was at the Eiffel tower I nearly died walking up the steps

"Where is le lift senór frenchman"

There are a lot of steps

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lol, i raced up the stairs with soem friends of mine, we got disappointed when we found you cant stair your way to the very top

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hire a translator for the day....
if that's possible lol jk
try and learn french alittle bit but yeah alot of french people should be able to speak english.

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Quote: "There are a lot of steps"
You went up the steps? Call yourself a programmer.....

Heh, I remember a stand up comedian talking about English people learning other languages. When they do they use the countries accent to make it sound better. Infact I remember from school in french classes when they actually said we would be graded higher if we talked with a french accent. All very well, said the comedian, but how come you don't have foreign people coming to England and talking with an English accent? Don't see a french guy trying to talk like a cockney in the middle of London.

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I found from experience that the French and the Welsh don't appreciate people speaking English Take the time time to learn please and thankyou so it shows you made some kind of effort.

Last time I was in Wales some crazy dude tried to run me over in his van and threatened to kill me if i returned there... coz i was English, nice school trip that was!

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Its required in France for kids to learn english. Don't know why your going but good luck.

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I never got to go to the Eiffel tower last time, as you need to book about 8 months in advance to get to go up it. That's one reason I want to go back. I also want to see the sights again, as I was only therefor the day last time.
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Quote: "I never got to go to the Eiffel tower last time, as you need to book about 8 months in advance to get to go up it. "


whaaaaaaaaaaat? i been up loadsa times and never had to book in advance.. you're crayzey

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Quote: "whaaaaaaaaaaat? i been up loadsa times and never had to book in advance.. you're crayzey"


Me too!

I've been to france every year for the past ten and dont know much french but if you try, they will talk to you in english or get someone that can speak english. But If you go to a french shop and say "Gimme some cheese" then They wont do any thing, but if you try then they will.

Also make it really ovoius you are not good with french, like have a frech phrase book just visible out your pocket and where something plainly english, such as a small Flag on your coat, Not like a t-shirt saying "I speak english" on it.

Oh and while your there I suggest trying all the different cheeses they do in france!

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Quote: "the Welsh don't appreciate people speaking English"
Sort of. We can all speak English perfectly (just cannot read or write) but like to annoy the Saes by speaking all in Welsh when in groups of people that contain English people.

Hell, there is a big graffiti slogan on a wall just off the island I grew up on that says "English <insert swearword here> go home". Nice Oh, and it is written in Welsh. Once a year, in my BTEC college town, the Welsh group that sets fire to holiday homes used to write graffiti on English owned shops basically saying the same thing, but not as nicely. But they write it in Welsh... I've seen signs that say come to Welsh speaking classes. Written in Welsh (actually it's the law to have all signs in bilingual even though an MP tried to get it so road signs are only in Welsh because of costs. When it was pointed out that 99% speak English, and only something dumb like 30% speak Welsh so English would be better they shut up). They also tried to bring in a law to introduce a tax to buying a house (ie. you pay a fair bit more) if you are English. Yep, you can be German, and your grandad killed their grandad in the war, but the tax only applies if you are English. Didn't go through in the end. Gotta love it.

Quote: "Also make it really ovoius you are not good with french, like have a frech phrase book just visible out your pocket and where something plainly english, such as a small Flag on your coat, Not like a t-shirt saying "I speak english" on it."
This is all sarcasm right (hard to tell without smilies)? I mean either that or you might as well wear a T-shirt saying "Please rip me off and/or rob me".

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This reminds me of how the Quebec French treat English speakers in Canada. We have to, by law, have our products with French and English on them. But if you go to Quebec, many of their businesses and signs have only French on them. They're always angry about something, and continually vow to separate

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Quote: "Last time I was in Wales some crazy dude tried to run me over in his van and threatened to kill me if i returned there... coz i was English, nice school trip that was!"


Welsh people?As far as i know they are pretty decent people to outlanders,yet...I've met some who hate Differently Pigmented* people.

*=Coloured,but that sounds a little rude.
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Quote: "just one tip, if going to any country, not just france, and you're not confident in the language, it's easier for everyone if you just speak english as you would to an english person"

No, it's arrogant to expect a country to be able to speak your language, even if it is quite a common language. While I do think you should speak English when it's possible (if you can't speak their language), I think you should at least try to begin in French, because as I said before they appreciate the effort, and know that you don't expect them to know English as if they should.

Quote: "DO NOT try to speak the language unless you are at least 90% sure of the words, grammar and pronunciation"

Trying is one of the steps of learning, if you never try you may never learn anything. If they don't understand the way you pronounce something, they'll put you right and you will learn something. There is absolutely no harm in trying, unless of course you are very inhibited and feel it'll affect your already dwindling self-confidence.

Quote: "DO NOT speak pigeon english, that is to say, dont miss out vital words because you consider them unnecessary, ie say "i want to go to the top of the Eiffel tower" not "i want go top tower""

Well that really depends. If you just say it as though it is regular English then they may have trouble following you. However, if you speak slowly, they may understand what you are saying. They only need to getting the meaning, the sentence doesn't have to be syntactically correct.

Quote: "DO NOT mix the two languages together. ie inserting "le" or "la" everywhere"

Agreed.

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Bonjour - Hello
GoodBye - au revoir
I would like a - Je voudrais un
Sorry i don't speak French. Do you speak English? - Désolé je ne parle pas français. Parlez-vous anglais?

The above may be wrong, as im not very good at French.
I suggest you should collaborate a list of essential phrases and words, like above and take it with you.

Things you would likely need:

Where is this?
Can i have this?
Sorry i don't speak French.
I am lost.
Where is the nearest phone?

If i were to talk to any1 foreign, just him/her saying key words like phone or where etc is enough to understand. We can't all expect to understand different languages, just talk less though. Don't sort of speak loads of English, as that just makes you seem arrogant.

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Michael Palin's "Around the world in eighty days", an old guy tells him to speak English to and be very british, which he said seemed to work pretty well, but that wasn't for France, it was probably more like Africa.
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Quote: "As far as i know they are pretty decent people to outlanders"
Really? But are you English? Everyone else is normally fine. And outlanders? When did you go, 1810?

When it comes to being racist, where I grew up (Anglesey) they are amazingly racist. Towards English people. When it comes to skin colour people didn't really give a monkeys. I think this is mainly because when I was growing up there really wasn't any other colour but white. Probably because no-one wanted to move there (I mean c'mon, a terrible un-employment area in the middle of nowhere with nothing there isn't a big draw when you move to another country). I heard an Indian family took over the corner shop of our village a little while back. People were curious, but mainly because they had open long hours. For the first time ever the shop was open after 5pm (there is only a few hundred people in the village) and actually closed about 11pm. Unheard of!!!

And yet my mother (who is actually Welsh BTW, just doesn't speak the language) was forceably voted off teaching school kids (4-6 years old I believe) English at the local school by the parents because she was English. And she did it voluntarily too and got paid nothing. North-Walean inbred w***ers....

South Wales on the other hand, where all my family come from (we only went to the north because my dad was in the RAF and everyone went there to train - we used to have those planes the red arrows used going over all the time (Hawks - they are good for training)) is a totally different ball game. Whenever I'm down there and the uncles get together then you might as well be back in the 70s at a show by that fat racist comedian. Even though once again the ratio of white to any other colour is massive. I mean like 99% again esp. in the more rural areas (and it's mainly rural).

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As opposed to where I live--- there seems to be over 50% of Asian descent (mostly Chinese). Not that I mind

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I'd say don't bother learning french, because no matter what the people in Paris will be rude as **** simply because you're english.
One guy was talking to my friend who is german and explaining the directions in perfect english; given I was driving I simply asked "do we go as far as the cinema" and suddenly got an earful of french .. and it wasn't in a pleasent tone.

I've taken to when people are like that I stop speaking english and go for one of the lesser known dialects I know; like Latin, or Russian. It's always guarenteed to irrate them enough to either go away or realise they're being a twat.

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Quote: "I stop speaking english and go for one of the lesser known dialects I know"
Yeah, I've done Welsh a few times for a laugh.

Quote: "no matter what the people in Paris will be rude as **** simply because you're english"
Pretty much. For some reason the cowardly garlic smelling onion eaters totally hate us

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Quote: "For some reason the cowardly garlic smelling onion eaters totally hate us"

I'm not surprised with comments like that.

Quote: "go for one of the lesser known dialects I know; like Latin, or Russian."

Pig Latin no doubt.

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Quote: "I'm not surprised with comments like that"
I'm Welsh! You can't hate me.

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pig latin confuses me too much to use

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Try Welsh. It's a piece of p*ss, makes you sound like a caveman needing to spit, plus it keeps the language of he boyos going that little bit longer. Plus Aled Jones can't be wrong.

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The only Welsh I know is Araf, which means slow, right? As Ive seen it on the roads in Wales, with slow under it. I could go around Paris shouting Araf.
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Quote: "which means slow, right?"
No. It means go faster. Honestly, my English friend... They are just saying slow in English so they can overtake you in Vauxhall Novas.

Quote: "I could go around Paris shouting Araf"
Honest to God, driving in Paris (and I wasn't driving) was like a rollercoaster on the road. I love fast cars and zooming about like an idiot, but there is a difference between controlled speed, and seemingly suicidal dashes between multiple vehicles of different sizes and speeds. Playing chicken with an approaching concrete junction at 100mph while undertaking a motorcycle is an experience I can tell you. Then there is the L'Arc de Triomphe roundabout thingy. Oh dear God... Pack your brown trousers.

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Haha--- nice laugh for this crappy morning

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Quote: "Quote: "As far as i know they are pretty decent people to outlanders"
Really? But are you English? Everyone else is normally fine. And outlanders? When did you go, 1810?

When it comes to being racist, where I grew up (Anglesey) they are amazingly racist. Towards English people. When it comes to skin colour people didn't really give a monkeys. I think this is mainly because when I was growing up there really wasn't any other colour but white. Probably because no-one wanted to move there (I mean c'mon, a terrible un-employment area in the middle of nowhere with nothing there isn't a big draw when you move to another country). I heard an Indian family took over the corner shop of our village a little while back. People were curious, but mainly because they had open long hours. For the first time ever the shop was open after 5pm (there is only a few hundred people in the village) and actually closed about 11pm. Unheard of!!!

And yet my mother (who is actually Welsh BTW, just doesn't speak the language) was forceably voted off teaching school kids (4-6 years old I believe) English at the local school by the parents because she was English. And she did it voluntarily too and got paid nothing. North-Walean inbred w***ers....

South Wales on the other hand, where all my family come from (we only went to the north because my dad was in the RAF and everyone went there to train - we used to have those planes the red arrows used going over all the time (Hawks - they are good for training)) is a totally different ball game. Whenever I'm down there and the uncles get together then you might as well be back in the 70s at a show by that fat racist comedian. Even though once again the ratio of white to any other colour is massive. I mean like 99% again esp. in the more rural areas (and it's mainly rural).

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I am not english at all,and my way of speaking sometimes comes from games,Like the word "Outlander",came from Morrowind.

And i went about 4-5 years ago,So i do not know the current actions of them...Yet,in my own country everything is getting worse and worse,People are being shot here for saying what they think...(Mainly people who say things about the truth of most outlanders here)But i hope its different there...
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Quote: "People are being shot here for saying what they think...(Mainly people who say things about the truth of most outlanders here)But i hope its different there."
Nah, Wales is very quiet. Especially the north. They just hate English people. If you are not English then you are practically their nephew.

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Posted: 25th May 2007 16:04 Edited at: 25th May 2007 16:05
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hey higgins!
fellow liverpool dwelling person!
haha never noticed that before

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=97191&b=32
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