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Geek Culture / The Codebase - house-cleaning

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zenassem
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I was looking through the CodeBase yesterday, and I was suprised to find a lot of good submissions; especially with regard to file operations, and some interestring applications/functions.

There was one problem however...

It took me a long time to weed out entries that in my oppinion, don't belong there. I noticed there is a form to request that an entry be removed, but I wonder if anyone cares because some of the entries have been there for years. Honestly, under the sections I looked at 1/3 or more of the submissions should be removed.

I think that the "codebase" would be better utilized if we clean it up a bit. There really are some excellent examples to be found.

I'd be willing to go through them all, if a mod would be willing to help me in cleaning it up. I would fix code any broken code, weed out some duplicates, and make suggestions to remove entries that either are too simplistic, mirror the help files, wrong/bad advice etc...

Is anyone willing to back me on this???

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UnderLord
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Posted: 20th May 2007 21:22
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Yes because some people have put in the code base useless stuff like



Type of stuff. The code base should be used for people trying to learn, people who drop in useless code like the one up above isn't going to help anyone much, unless you really don't know how to do the print command


but that sounds like a good idea, hope someone helps you out.

"I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road."
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zenassem
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Thanks underground. I saw a lot of entries similar to the example you provided. This diminishes the codebase's functionality, and really some of it is quite embarassing. I really can see why many newcomers don't bother to search it. But if we fix it up, it can be a really valuable resource.

I found some truly great code examples, that are being burried by a stockpile of junk.

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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 20th May 2007 21:39 Edited at: 20th May 2007 21:42
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Quote: "underground"

I think his name is UnderLord

I've always wondered why there is no rating/digging/weeding/moderating functionality in there. The idiots in this world have turned a potentially useful resource into something that's almost entirely unusable as you KNOW that you'll spend AGES finding what you want.

One solution, if TGC wont fix it (which is kind of fair enough for a business, there is no real financial gain in fixing it) then as a community we could use one of the Web 2.0 sites such as Del.icio.us to "rate" them.

If enough people were to tag codebase entries in their Delicious Bookmarks with the SAME TAG then everyone else could look into that tag to find the most popular entries...

Of course, this does required that - as a community - everyone used Del.icio.us (or Magnolia or any other remote rating system... Digg might not work as it could get TGC blacklisted by us submitting all codebase entries as Digg items + there is no way to get back a list of digg items for a section of a site).

Just an idea - probably wont work though as this community has only a handful of "do-ers". Most people here just like complaining without proactively changing anything.
(this isn't aimed at anyone specifically in the community - its just an observation. It tends to be the same in almost any community).

EDIT:
Looks like someone called mashhead has already made a start on this idea...
http://del.icio.us/tag/dark%20basic%20pro

EDIT2: That "ugly" forum bug has reared its head again with URL parsing for the href BBCode tag... Here is the URL in an easier form to copy and paste.

http://del.icio.us/tag/dark%20basic%20pro

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Posted: 20th May 2007 21:43
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ROFL Underground is a new one, never heard that one before...It's alright! How's about a member of the community set up his/her own site with all the useful code base entries in it.

I think that would be the easy route =)

"I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road."
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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 20th May 2007 21:46
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That's another solution - I think codersturf is going to have/might already have a codebase...

http://www.codersturf.com/index.php?view=codebase

but:
a) You need to be a registered member (codebases should be open imho)
b) It has no rating facility so will suffer the same fate eventually if it gets popular.

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Posted: 20th May 2007 21:50
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I see....

"I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road."
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Posted: 21st May 2007 00:08
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ya, it needs to be cleaned and have a rating system. i rarely go there anymore to find something unless i already know its there... when im looking for code, im more likely to find it by using the search button on the forums.

maybe it would be better to make a forum-based codebase? where entries from the Code Snippets and DarkBasic Pro board can be voted to be added to a read-only board of searchable threads. after a thread gets enough votes, a mod could accept/decline it to be added to the Codebase board.

this would be really cool and easier to access than the current codebase

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zenassem
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Posted: 21st May 2007 00:32
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Sorry UnderLord!

There is a Form that can be submitted to remove "CodeBase" entries. I just don't want to spend all the time if no one is monitoring it anymore.

So I'll wait until I can get word and support from a MOD or TGC staff.

I agree it would be nice to have a rating system. I don't want to mess up the organization of the site by making a CodeBase thread to circumvent the current CodeBase, but until it is cleaned up it is virtually a trash heap. With some rare GEMS scattered about!

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Phaelax
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Posted: 21st May 2007 01:22
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Quote: "but:
a) You need to be a registered member (codebases should be open imho)
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TGC's codebase requires you to be registered as well. But I do think viewing should be publicly accessible


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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 21st May 2007 02:36
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@Phaelax - sorry I should have explained that better. I meant to say that you need to be registered to view it. Registration should be required for submission ALWAYS.

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Jess T
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Posted: 21st May 2007 06:11
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Unfortunatly, Mods don't have access to the Codebase for editing purposes.

I still want to extend tgchelp into using a codebase aswell as the standard help site. But, that must wait until the Uni semester is over (6ish weeks). It's continually on my To-Do list but isn't getting any attention

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Posted: 21st May 2007 06:46
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@JessT, Do you know if I spend the time to use the FORM to suggest codebase items for deletion, is anyone looking at those requests??

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Osiris
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Has anyone emailed whoever is the webmaster now? Because I'm sure that someone could e a mod for it, and im all for it, that place is a wasteland with lots of usable stuff that is scattered all over the place.

Your signature has been erased by a mod because it's larger than 600x120....
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zenassem
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Well I just went throught "Complete Applications" for DBpro. Personally I would liked to have nixed half of them, but I submitted nearly a dozen for removal through the removal reqest Form.

A lot aren't complete applications, some would be hard to qualify as code snippets. Others were just really dumb, wrong, worse than the help files, or just bad coding in general. Others that I might have found useless, I left alone, as I suppose they meet the requirements of an application, and I had no basis for removal, other than the fact that reading the entry made me lose brain cells.

I'll see if any of them get removed before plodding through every type of entry.

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Well, easiest way of doing it would be to look for them all and just copy and paste all of their links into an email or here and send it to the webmaster.

Your signature has been erased by a mod because it's larger than 600x120....
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Posted: 22nd May 2007 06:43
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Zen,
If I remember correctly, the request form shoots off an email directly to Rich's little personal moderation system (just as the Report Abuse button does on posts) which generates emails to him.

It should get looked at, but with just one man, it may take some time.
It would be nice if Mod's had access to moderation features of the Code Base as you're right, alot does need to be done.

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Posted: 22nd May 2007 13:07
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I could easily enough add a codebase to Devhat.net if you tell me what you'd like for it.

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Posted: 22nd May 2007 15:18 Edited at: 22nd May 2007 15:45
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@JessT,

I agree that MODs should, "if by their choice", have the ability to moderate the "CodeBase". After looking through it myself, I feel there needs to be some approval process, even if it's just a glance over to prevent; bad, poor, duplicates, broken, non-useful, entries from making it in or staying there.

I know it's referred to as the live or real-time codebase, while the idea is noble, the result with the growing size of the community has made the current CodeBase unuseable. There are a number of great code examples that are not being utilized, mainly becuase they are burried in muck.

@Kentaree,
Great idea! I can work on a outline today. I see some areas that can be changed to make a more functional codebase than what is here.

For example:
Functions should be consolidated and sorted/searchable by topic & name. Individual authors will be credited, but it should be grouped into a "library" sorted alphabetically and arranged by topic.

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John Y
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Posted: 22nd May 2007 15:46
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They need to double my pay rate before I go in there. Joking aside, I think moderators should have some powers over it. Unless Rich plays with the database directly each time, the tools should already have been written.

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If Rich made changes to the system so that Mods could get at the entries, I'd be happy to help weed out the bad'uns.

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We have pretty selfless MODs I must say. Perhaps they haven't looked at the Codebase yet...

Rich, give them the Sterilizeded-UV-Gamma-Assault-Rocket (S.U.G.A.R.) before they go in there!!!!!

Thanks for the support guys. Perhaps Rich will get back to us, and open the idea up and have some suggestins!

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