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Zaibatsu
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Posted: 21st May 2007 01:21 Edited at: 19th Feb 2008 07:49
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I decided i need to get out more, so I bought a cheep airsoft pistol and a target. i found it to be pretty fun, so I'm looking into getting a better gun.

anyways, i was playing CS:S earlier and found that I'm actually best with the Steyr Tmp (cheapest smg- machine pistol), and am wondering if anyone knows if they make an airsoft model of this other than the cheap spring one, and the expensive gas one. My concern with the spring one is, "do you have to cock it before every shot becuase it is spring" becuase i want it to be full auto. concern with the gas one is, "its expensive, and then i have to buy the gas". do they have an electric one (preferably 50-80 bucks)?

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Gil Galvanti
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Posted: 21st May 2007 02:04
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I like airsoft too, I play with my cousins quite a bit just around our yards.

I would suggest either getting a really good electric, or a decent spring. Springs you have to cock after each shot so they can't be auto or semi-auto, but they are a lot cheaper, and you can get a decent one (300FPS) for only around $30. Electrics are more expensive because they can be auto or semi auto, but unless you buy an expensive one, they won't go near as fast as springs. You could get an electric that goes about half the speed of a spring for about the same price, and you have to recharge the batteries. Never tried gas, but I think they are more expensive than electric.

That's just from my experience with them, so I may be wrong, and you may be able to look around enough to find a good deal. It depends on how much you're willing to spend. You can spend a lot and get a good auto/semi-auto electric, or spend a little and get a good spring.


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I love airsoft. I play it every summer. I'm not sure where you can get one of those. I usually shop at www.affordableairsoft.com, so I would check there.

Right now I have a G36 with 3 fifty round clips, and a JLS electric pistol with 7 clips.

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Posted: 21st May 2007 03:05 Edited at: 21st May 2007 03:06
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Quote: "www.affordableairsoft.com"


that site doens't even exits...

its just reserved at the moment

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I would higher recommend you go with eclectic no matter the price, the gas guns, in my opinion, jam way too much...
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I have no idea what this is, sounds a bit like paintball?

On a completely different note, it really stings when your "friend" puts his paintball gun on fully-auto and hits you in the head twice...
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It's like paintball, but instead of paintballs you shoot little plastic bb's at each other. Most of the guns are replicas of real weapons so it looks alot cooler as well

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Gil Galvanti
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Posted: 21st May 2007 05:37
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Yeah, they are plastic little pellets that you shoot. A lot less messy, painful, and more realistic than paintball .


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if airsoft guns use CO2 cartridges than if you get a gas gun you could use the cartridges in any CO2 pellet or BB guns you may have as well.

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It is fun, it sucks to get hit up close by some of those bigger guns though.

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I like air-soft guns, but they aren't nearly as fun as BB guns when target shooting, since BB guns are more accurate according to the gun modeled after.

If you aren't shooting cans and bottles, instead are having a fight with friends, BB guns can be... unpleasant. Unless you keep some tweezers and bandages at hand, or are wearing a flak jacket.

Air-soft guns hurt a lot less, but still hurt anyway. You would have to put it directly on someone and shoot for it to pierce skin.

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I would tend to go for accuracy over the ability to fire rapidly. Personally I think the fun is in improving your aim and getting better and better scores. I don't see the fun in being able to fire fully automatically at a target. I mean, whats the point? Where's the skill?

I have a competition quality air pistol myself (certainly not a replica). Its a pneumatic powered one (you fold open the barrel and closing it charges the piston), single shot, VERY high powered with pretty much zero recoil. Very accurate.
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Quote: "I like air-soft guns, but they aren't nearly as fun as BB guns"


As I understood it, the BB is the small ball/pellet that is fired by the air-soft gun. There is no difference between an air-soft gun and a BB gun.

If I had to shoot anyone with anything I'd choose a spud gun! If you get desperate you can just hurl your spud!

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Posted: 21st May 2007 22:12 Edited at: 21st May 2007 22:13
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Quote: "There is no difference between an air-soft gun and a BB gun."

Yes there is, BB guns fire small metal pellets at a low velocity, to where they most likely wouldn't break the skin, airsoft fires small round plastic balls at a low enough velocity to where only the most powerful at point blank range can break the skin. Unless your just stupid, you probably wouldn't shoot a BB gun at other people, that's what airsoft is for.


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Posted: 22nd May 2007 00:14 Edited at: 22nd May 2007 00:16
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I rly do plan on getting into airsoft... as soon as i got a job with which to pay for it all. most of my friends do it. i got some going to some major event in august, basically a 3 day wargame with 1000's of players, they have to carry all the food and supplies for the 3 days, and tents too (apparently theres gonna be night excersizes etc). specially for the event, they've gone and splashed out on some very expensive radio gear...

Theres 4 guns im currently plan on owning at some point in my life, being the AK47 just for novelty purposes, an MP7, G36 and SVD. speaking of which, I'd actually like to start off with the most customisable gun I can get, just so i can learn about all the parts, does anyone have a suggestion about what such a gun would be?

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I'm thinking for most customizable gun, go with something like an MP5 or M-16 / AR-15. There's lots of accessories for those as far as I can tell.

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Posted: 22nd May 2007 01:03
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Quote: "You would have to put it directly on someone and shoot for it to pierce skin."


actually if you put the barrel directly on someone and pull the trigger, it doesn't hurt at all...

Quote: "Yes there is, BB guns fire small metal pellets at a low velocity, to where they most likely wouldn't break the skin, airsoft fires small round plastic balls"


as long as they're 6mm, airsoft guns can fire metal bb's

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Quote: "that site doens't even exits...

its just reserved at the moment"


Wow, it disappeared between last summer and this summer...

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Quote: "actually if you put the barrel directly on someone and pull the trigger, it doesn't hurt at all..."


Your gun must suck then.

Quote: "as long as they're 6mm, airsoft guns can fire metal bb's"


BB guns fire 4.35mm metal projectiles, airsoft guns are designed to fire plastic projectiles which are 6mm. BB is merely the name of the size of the projectile and I believe airsoft pellets are merely called BBs due to being fairly similar.

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what really sucks is that its illegal to own or import an airsoft weapon in australia because of the weapons laws (only takes one port arthur incident to ruin it for everyone)

but on the plus side, some australian airsoft fans are rallying the government to allow airsoft guns to be owned under a new liscencing scheme, w00t!
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Posted: 22nd May 2007 09:17 Edited at: 22nd May 2007 09:18
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Quote: "i got some going to some major event in august, basically a 3 day wargame with 1000's of players"

It's brilliant that people play 'war' for fun, it really spells out the future of humanity. If you ask me you should join the army, there you get to play with possibly tens of thousands of 'players'.

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nah, its just like war video games, you do it in a safe environment that way no-one gets killed and maimed
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Frankly... war games could solve the issue of wars.. I mean.. what's wrong with an elimination tournament to win a war? No one gets badly hurt so long as they follow the rules

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This is the airsoft gun I have, which is really a rifle... But anyway, here it is:

http://www.bsaguns.co.uk/?ID=53&ProductID=583

And no, it doesn't shoot pansy plastic bb's, it shoots the metal bb's for killing game.
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Hehe airsoft is great, i own a P90 with a laser sight.

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That's an air rifle you buffoon, you'd be caught dead if you took one of those to a bb game :p, well they would be dead.

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Quite obviously some people need educating as to what Airsoft means.

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Quote: "And no, it doesn't shoot pansy plastic bb's, it shoots the metal bb's for killing game"


@Higgins
Your location's set as Liverpool. I can't imagine there's many safe places to shoot rabbits, pigeons and whatever else you feel the need to kill, in Liverpool.

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Quote: "It's brilliant that people play 'war' for fun, it really spells out the future of humanity. If you ask me you should join the army, there you get to play with possibly tens of thousands of 'players'. "

Except for in real war people are shooting back with hot metal projectiles at thousands of feet per second, and usually the fate of an entire country is at hand, not to mention your own life. War is a game of strategy, and if people didn't like it, game companies wouldn't spend millions of dollars each year developing war games .


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Quote: "War is a game of strategy, and if people didn't like it, game companies wouldn't spend millions of dollars each year developing war games "


I just like shooting people in the face.


EDIT:: That's in games by the way, not real life. Well I wouldn't admit to doing it in real life.

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I don't think air soft guns are different from BB guns. It's just the wieght of the ammo that does the pain.

Ball bearing = hurt /death to small animals
Ceramic ball = pain
Plastic pellet = did something hit me?

I can't be bothered with electrics or gas, just got a realy strong spring and hop-up (back spinner)

Just remmber kids don't go out into the street with a fake gun the police will shoot you! They can tell the difference between an Asian and a Brasilian you don't have much chance they can tell the difference between plastic and metal

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@soapyfish

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Quote: "I don't think air soft guns are different from BB guns. It's just the wieght of the ammo that does the pain.

Ball bearing = hurt /death to small animals
Ceramic ball = pain
Plastic pellet = did something hit me?"


Did you not look at the link Benjamin posted? BB does not mean Ball Bearing, nor are Airsoft guns the same as BB guns. However most Airsoft guns are called Airsoft guns which makes this confusion. The difference isn't the weight of the projectile it's the radius of it.

Quote: "They can tell the difference between an Asian and a Brasilian you don't have much chance they can tell the difference between plastic and metal"


Other than the bad typos, you shouldn't remove / conceal the legally required red / orange muzzle cap, especially if you're near police however there have been stupid people like this in the past.

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thats missing the point entirely. the point is, you can shoot each other and not hurt each other.. too much, let alone kill or expect to be killed. you're just trying to be all jack thompson now arent you?

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Yes.

Quote: "Adding me to msn to call me a poo poo head"

Now THAT was funny.

Quote: "just because of my location in the UK"

Nope. Never once mentioned that on msn.

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Quote: "Except for in real war people are shooting back with hot metal projectiles at thousands of feet per second, and usually the fate of an entire country is at hand"

Well war sounds like more fun, it's so much more realistic! Though honestly when I think about it, the idea of an airsoft war against loads of people does sound like a lot of fun, mostly due to the strategy and team spirit.

Quote: "you're just trying to be all jack thompson now arent you?"

Hah, sounds like you're one of those people who automatically sticks up for the games without considering the argument, ie. the game is never wrong.

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Plastic pellet = did something hit me?""


actually airsoft guns can kill small animals too...

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Yep there is a sniper rifle that is like 1,000USD at a airsoft website and it shoots the projectiles upto i think 1000ft/ps for about 200 to 300 feet spring loaded and could definitly mame you good....

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My air rifle can go about 1000 fps, but it is capped at a 12 pound draw weight, because if its any higher and the police find out, you can go to jail.
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my $30 pistol killed a lizard...

oh and, http://www.amazon.com/Classic-Army-M249-MKII-Machine/dp/B000AY895O/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-3347296-9639135?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1179878332&sr=8-1

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have you tried paintball? if you like airsofting, i garentee that you will love paintballing

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Paintball is fun, but you need a lot more land and it needs to be isolated to do it on your own. Paintball is messier, more painful, and has less realistic and clunkier weapons.


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your wrong. i tried it once, it was the reason i had such a negative outlook on airsoft untill recently.

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Paintball if fun, as long as you can take getting hit and espesically in the mouth if you happen to look up and get a stray there.

Ive only done it once and because I'm mostly a computer geek, I didn't have enough power in my legs, which was a let down, as it felt like I was carrying some one on my back while playing in the mud lol
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It's not illegal to own an airsoft gun in Australia, you jus tneed the same licence that you would to have a regular fire arm (class A). I have a licence to use firearms but haven't applied to own one yet. so my friends and I have imported some miles laser tag equipment and are putting together our own stargate larp

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The miles system sucks we used that in infantry training in the military, you shoot someone hiding behind a bush and the laser might reflect off a leaf or something, unless they have seriously fixed it.

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When i went paintballing for the day, my first and only shot was directly to my mouth, stung a bit, but headshots didnt count so meh ^_^

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