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That C++ Nerd
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Posted: 23rd May 2007 21:48 Edited at: 23rd May 2007 21:49
Many of you may remember way back in I think it was January, in FPS Creator forums, I exploded with anger from a beginning user insulting experienced users. Now, first, I prefer DirectX and C++ and more custom engines, but I still like FPS Creator.
And, I am sorry for what I did.

HERE IS A STORY THAT SHOWS HOW EASY IT IS TO GET ANGRY

I'm in one of my college classes, when some random kid (not even in my class) walks up out of nowhere insulting a beginning user of a certain program (I'm not sure which one they were talking about).

In order to defend the beginner, I said...

ME: "Whoa, hold it! So you're smarter?"

Kid: "Yeah! These people are idiots (to make it G-rated)!"

ME: "If you're smart, what's your computer's RAM count?"

Kid: "60 GB. Nothing much."

Okay, so here this kid is saying he has a computer with 60 GB of RAM, he must have payed a fortune! LMAO.

ME: (lauhing) "How bout your hardrive?"

Kid: "It's a 7 Terabyte, which is 7,000 MB. For you, that's good for movies and other things like that, not really good for games."

I'm not paraphrasing on that one^^^^

ME: "Wait, there's 1,024 MB in a GB, and 1,024 GB in a TB."

Kid: "Actually, no, you're wrong. I believe it's 1,000. I think you need to learn some more about computers."

ME: (laughing very hard) "Okay."

--End--

Then the kid walks around trying to "help" other students. Ha!

I hope some of you can see why it was easy for me to get angry, but what I did last time was crossing the line. I just don't like those people who insult others with false facts.

-That C++ Nerd
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Posted: 23rd May 2007 21:50
Yeah I figured I would make you mad


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Posted: 23rd May 2007 22:00 Edited at: 23rd May 2007 22:02
Quote: "
ME: "Wait, there's 1,024 MB in a GB, and 1,024 GB in a TB."

Kid: "Actually, no, you're wrong. I believe it's 1,000. I think you need to learn some more about computers."
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Actually, you should be careful here...
He's not wrong by saying there's 1000GB in a TB. A TiB is indeed 1024GB, but a TB CAN be 1000GB.

Refer to these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TiB
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terabyte

But yeah, I understand how you feel.

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zenassem
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Posted: 23rd May 2007 22:28 Edited at: 23rd May 2007 22:31
Is that actually making into the curriculum now. Avoid confusion over actual bytes. damn you base 10! lol

but wouldn't 1024 be off regardless. Or am I missing something
32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024...

fine but as you approach K isn't it acutally...
65,536K , 131,072k, 262,144kb, 524,288K, 1,048,576KB <> 1024MB rather 1048MB

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Posted: 23rd May 2007 22:42
I dunno, it's always something that confuses me, which is why I don't particularly get up the nose of people who say a GB is 1000MB. For the sake of 24MB, I couldn't give a damn anyhow

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Posted: 23rd May 2007 23:30
Quote: "Okay, so here this kid is saying he has a computer with 60 GB of RAM, he must have payed a fortune! LMAO.
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Rich parents? May explain the superior attitude, I mean he could have a pretty decent Boxxtech - or is just fibbing and making out to be something better than he is as a lot of peple like to do on the internet, I mean I'm not the sexy underwear model body building programmer you thought I was, I am actually a loser.

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Posted: 23rd May 2007 23:40
ERM, did u get the idea of this post from my "haters" post? it seems very similar

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Posted: 24th May 2007 00:40
There's no reasoning with kids like that. They'll respond to whatever you say with the dumbest remarks and only they'll understand it. I remember a kid from highschool, always claiming he know more about computers than me. Fine, I tried to ignore him but he's persistent in showing how much he (doesn't) knows. Then one fateful day he asked me how to reset the bios password. I know of 3 ways, I'm not sure he could handle either one of them.


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Posted: 24th May 2007 00:42
Well i know one, Take out the cmos battery, what are the other three?

I have AMD Athlon X2 5200+, Geforce 7600GS, 2GB Ram, 240GB HDD and one hell of a headache
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Posted: 24th May 2007 00:57
Quote: "Well i know one, Take out the cmos battery, what are the other three?"


A program called killcmos can do it. You can also use the reset jumper on most motherboards.

Other than that, I know of no other practical way really.

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Posted: 24th May 2007 00:58
Certain BIOS chips can be reset by shorting the legs on the chip in a specific sequence, I believe.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Posted: 24th May 2007 01:10 Edited at: 24th May 2007 01:11
Actually, a few years ago I thought it was 1000 for most intervals, but now I'm strict with seeing most things as 1024.

@Phaelax

Yea, there's a lot of people like that in my school. As for resetting the BIOS password, I actually got in trouble once for doing that in my school, only one teacher knew what was wrong. They didn't care though, they were just like, whatever.
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Posted: 24th May 2007 01:13
@ General Reed

No, I didn't notice your thread. I haven't been on the forums for months, and don't usually go on much.
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Posted: 24th May 2007 01:29
I dont know how you didn't punch him in the teeth

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Posted: 24th May 2007 02:28
I haves me a 2tb video memory.

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Posted: 24th May 2007 02:40
Quote: "I dont know how you didn't punch him in the teeth "


That would be a good way to injure a nerds typing fingers you know?

LOL, that is a hilarious story... That kids and idiot. Tell him to wikipedia his facts in front of a crowd of computer savvy people to humiliate himself.

Anyhow, he's one of those guys who probably thinks just because he can put some HTML tags on his Myspace and teach his grandma how to use Outlook Express and Internet Explorer, he knows ALL about computers. I really do hate that. Then they try to contradict you and... grrrr.

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Posted: 24th May 2007 03:25
Quote: "thinks just because he can put some HTML tags on his Myspace "


Hundreds of kids at my school think they are high and mighty because they use that, and Limewire. Ooohh, I can start up a program and type in a few words.
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Posted: 24th May 2007 03:37
@dabip

I couldn't agree with you more! Kids think think they're so great with computers for pirating songs and other stupid stuff. I mean, kids ARE getting more computer savvy, and IT IS something to worry about, but I'm not running just yet. I'll be brave and wait a little.
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Posted: 24th May 2007 04:20
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I couldn't agree with you more! Kids think think they're so great with computers for pirating songs and other stupid stuff. I mean, kids ARE getting more computer savvy, and IT IS something to worry about, but I'm not running just yet. I'll be brave and wait a little."


Actually, kids aren't getting more computer savvy. Computers are becoming easier and easier and easier all the time.

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Posted: 24th May 2007 05:31
Quote: "Computers are becoming easier and easier and easier all the time."


Too true. I miss the good old days of Dos when sometimes just getting a game to run took longer than completing it
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Posted: 24th May 2007 06:06
Quote: "I just don't like those people who insult others with false facts."

There are far more important things in life to worry about than stuff like that. Relax. Besides, facts don't get you girls.


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Cash weighs in with unflappable logic - Facts don't get babes.

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Posted: 24th May 2007 08:07
Solution I've found with on of my brothers friends who does this all the time (don't think he even realises he does it), is to roll up a newpaper and say "Bad" as wack him round the noggin.

They soon learn.

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Posted: 24th May 2007 09:59
Quote: "Besides, facts don't get you girls."

But if you're me, nothing gets you girls, so I don't have to worry.

E.D.

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Posted: 24th May 2007 11:30 Edited at: 24th May 2007 11:30
Yeh that is exactly how Chris Franklin behaves on msn. That is why i got so furious at him. Completely ignores advice and thinks he's the best.

What's funnier, is he would invite his "Friends" into the conversation when i started ripping into him, and his "Friends" just joined in with me.

But yeh, like most kids like this. It sounds like he has a God complex and is obviously over compensating for a lack of Personality.

Quite honestly, in that situation i would have just floored him.

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Posted: 24th May 2007 20:06
Quote: "Take out the cmos battery, what are the other three?"


The jumper, as mentioned, and a master password. On older computers, many of them had a factory set bios password that would override the user-set password. I know Award did and I'm pretty sure Pheonix did as well.


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Posted: 25th May 2007 01:40
First, SINCE WHEN HAS NERDYNESS GOTTEN GIRLS?

Secondly, this kid wouln't listen to anything anyone else said. He's reminds me of a salesman at "Bad Buy" I got into a shouting match with. Guy said that computers parts couldn't be upgraded unless you changed the entire power setup. Like most American stores, the place was massive and filled with people. Never went there again. Circuit City only (and a few other tech places).
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How could someone get so worked up about trivial nonsense to get into a shouting match with someone about whether or not you need to upgrade your power supply when upgrading parts. I'd've just chuckled, said okay, and left. And he could've been right, depending on what you were upgrading, it is possible you'd need a new power supply.

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I thought I was wrong once, but I was wrong.

See? Two wrongs do make a right!

Best.

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Quote: "SINCE WHEN HAS NERDYNESS GOTTEN GIRLS?
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Met my first girlfriend by being a nerd. And then she went to a living person, pshhh. Women .

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Posted: 25th May 2007 03:26 Edited at: 25th May 2007 03:30
Quote: "Anyhow, he's one of those guys who probably thinks just because he can put some HTML tags on his Myspace and teach his grandma how to use Outlook Express and Internet Explorer, he knows ALL about computers. I really do hate that. Then they try to contradict you and... grrrr."


I do get infuriated by people like that. Not too long ago someone told me I know nothing about computers because I was holding down the spacekey on the logon prompt to make the screen flash instead of using enter (which makes it flash faster). So he can hold down buttons and knows everything about computers... right.

Just to confuse him I asked him what was the identifier assembly language uses to access the accumulator register. On 'are you computer savvy?' quizes I beat everyone else in the school (about 500 people) by a landslide.

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ROT13 this: [insert chipertext here]

1. What's ROT13?
2. [insert correct answer here]
3. ROT13? I'll ROT you!
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Quote: "Actually, kids aren't getting more computer savvy. Computers are becoming easier and easier and easier all the time."


That's very true. I believe there's a difference between being computer savvy and windows savvy. I hate Windows because of the thousands of bugs in it, if you want me to engineer a system to calculate the factors of a polynomial, sure. But get the google search bar unstuck from your taskbar, good luck.

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Posted: 25th May 2007 03:29 Edited at: 25th May 2007 03:29
To me there is a difference...
I think I am more of a "geek" than "nerd". And as the world catches on to more and more technology, the less my geekiness seems odd. I didn't hear many people talking about RAM, HD's, GB, the Internet, back in the 80's & 90's. Now it's fairly common to hear in everyday discussion.

A nerd will set up his own computer at home, A geek will help a chick get online and configure their webcam!!!!

Nerd=NoChickInterest

Geeks=CoolChicksDigUs

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I'd actually disagree. I would be very offended if anyone called me a 'nerd' or a 'geek'. The only reason I got into computers was to make video games. I've been called a nerd or geek maybe 4 times in my life, once by my cousin who thinks his brother and me are nerds by blood (he thinks he's a nerd), once by my sister who said everyone on thegamecreators.com is a geek, once by a jerk who calls everyone that, and once by someone jealous who called me a geek because I was better at them in science class.

Ironicaly, I learned nearly everything I now about computers over the internet. About chicks digging you, what I do is impress them with the games I make.

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Posted: 25th May 2007 04:26 Edited at: 25th May 2007 04:28
I wouldn't at all be offended if someone called me a geek. If anything, I view it as a compliment.

I see the term 'geek' as referring to someone who is talented and clever at what they do - albeit sometimes a very narrow field. On the other hand, I think 'nerd' implies more of an over-enthusiastic, somewhat unhealthy addiction to something that makes them socially inept.

Quote: "That's very true. I believe there's a difference between being computer savvy and windows savvy. I hate Windows because of the thousands of bugs in it, if you want me to engineer a system to calculate the factors of a polynomial, sure. But get the google search bar unstuck from your taskbar, good luck."


I'm not too sure you know. I'm not sure whether people have just picked up certain phrases or words without understanding their meaning, but I've been hearing certain words - usually more restricted to the 'geeks', if you like - cropping up in the conversations of people you'd least expect. I couldn't agree more that computers are becoming easier to use, but I think that in modern society it's not too acceptable to be computer illiterate anymore.

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Everyone knows that I make games, and I'm smart, and I'm great with computers.

I have a girlfriend. I'm only in middle school. I think this is my 4th or 5th girlfriend.

None of them are nerds or geeks. I dont dig nerd chicks. They were all pretty hot too.


Not to brag, but honestly, all you need is a dose of confidence.

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Quote: "First, SINCE WHEN HAS NERDYNESS GOTTEN GIRLS?"

Never. Ever.


Ever.






Ever. Who's disputing that?


@Code Dragon -
Quote: "About chicks digging you, what I do is impress them with the games I make."

Sorry, female video game characters don't count. Seriously though, I've never even considered trying to impress a female with a game. That just sounds insane.

@Xenocythe -
Quote: "Not to brag, but honestly, all you need is a dose of confidence."

True. But if you're ugly then you won't get any girls either.

Quote: "I have a girlfriend. I'm only in middle school. I think this is my 4th or 5th girlfriend."

I had girlfriends in school, but those don't really count any more when you're an adult. 4 or 5 girlfriends in the space of a year or two is silly.


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Okay, seriously guys. Women are not attracted to people because they are good with computers. It doesn't hurt if you're not a nerd about it. Nerds talk about computers when they're not using them. I NEVER talk about computers when I'm away from one. Nobody cares to hear about it. I'm good with computers, and I'll fix people's computers, and I make games, but if I talked about it I wouldn't be that much fun to be around.

Being good with computers has never attracted a pretty girl in the history of forever. Now, I've been with girls who were attracted to me first, then learned that I was smart about various things, and liked me more for it. I've had another girl ask me to fix her computer to get me to come over, but I didn't do much computer work at all. I had another girl that called me 'her sexy webmaster' sometimes, but the relationship was not at all about computers. Computers are boring.

The point is, being a geek is not a turn on. It's okay if you've got other things going for you, like looks, personality, athleticism. Better if you have all going for you. The worst thing a geek can do is talk about it and pretend that girls find it attractive. Then you've turned into a big lonely nerd. All you can do is give your nerdy girl advice to other lonely nerds. Kind of like what people are trying to do here. The problem though is that not all of us are lonely nerds, so it falls on deaf ears.


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Quote: "The point is, being a geek is not a turn on. It's okay if you've got other things going for you, like looks, personality, athleticism. Better if you have all going for you. The worst thing a geek can do is talk about it and pretend that girls find it attractive. Then you've turned into a big lonely nerd. All you can do is give your nerdy girl advice to other lonely nerds. Kind of like what people are trying to do here. The problem though is that not all of us are lonely nerds, so it falls on deaf ears."


All depends on the girl, my friend. The first one to understand girls has yet to be born, so instead of pretending to do so and generalize them. My girlfriend is in no way a gamer, she dislikes every minute I spend behind a computer, but she loves the things I do on the computers and probably that's what got her interested in me. Some girls like it, the 'hot, arrogant and stupid' ones probably not.

Quote: "True. But if you're ugly then you won't get any girls either."

Who decides what boy is ugly? Individual girls do. Okay, they've got this 'herd' attitude but if you're ugly, and I mean really, commonly accepted ugly, there'll always be someone who'll look past it.

Quote: "Okay, seriously guys. Women are not attracted to people because they are good with computers. It doesn't hurt if you're not a nerd about it. Nerds talk about computers when they're not using them. I NEVER talk about computers when I'm away from one. Nobody cares to hear about it. I'm good with computers, and I'll fix people's computers, and I make games, but if I talked about it I wouldn't be that much fun to be around."

Oh, I talk about them when I'm away from one. People do seem to care. I'm most basically the question marker on the school and I've made quite some friends showing off tricks, knowing where to spend $60 on, fixing computers and stuff. Connections, too, can get you girls.

Quote: "Being good with computers has never attracted a pretty girl in the history of forever. Now, I've been with girls who were attracted to me first, then learned that I was smart about various things, and liked me more for it. I've had another girl ask me to fix her computer to get me to come over, but I didn't do much computer work at all. I had another girl that called me 'her sexy webmaster' sometimes, but the relationship was not at all about computers. Computers are boring."

I don't like you calling my girlfriend not pretty. The relationship isn't about computers, but my work on the damn thing sure keeps us closer through blogs I set up, things I make her, putting her name in a game. Just examples. Maybe computers won't do it, but use your mind. Be creative - it's as with programming a bit. If something doesn't work, change the approach. Be creative and use your strengths in your advantage.

You know what won't get you a girl? That attitude - most girls don't want to hear you're not worthy of them (at least, not seriously). Use your 'weakness' to your advantage. It's one of those basic tricks in life.

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I have to agree and disagree. Likewise I have never had a girl find me attractive because of computers. Come on--- that's just lying to yourself. The women on G4 *do not exist*. You see their boyfriends? Pretty boys or jocks. Period. Most women will not throw away a guy if she finds out they're into programming, but they will NOT initially be attracted to a nerd because she spots him in a computer lab writing "codez" in QBasic

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Posted: 25th May 2007 10:50
Quote: "First, SINCE WHEN HAS NERDYNESS GOTTEN GIRLS?"


The two biggest nerds I know, have girlfriends - as their girlfriends are bit nerdy too.

Whereas I'm part geek, part mosher - I haven't had the luck. So nerdyness has nothing to do with it...Nor does arrogance or being a complete d-head...

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Posted: 25th May 2007 10:50 Edited at: 25th May 2007 11:10
Quote: "I have to agree and disagree. Likewise I have never had a girl find me attractive because of computers. Come on--- that's just lying to yourself. The women on G4 *do not exist*. You see their boyfriends? Pretty boys or jocks. Period. Most women will not throw away a guy if she finds out they're into programming, but they will NOT initially be attracted to a nerd because she spots him in a computer lab writing "codez" in QBasic "


I must be a very lucky man, then... Maybe the artistic side helps a bit - but I find that more a part of my computering skills, as with nearly everything I'm good at.

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Posted: 25th May 2007 14:12
Lol how did this discussion turn into something about girls, geeks, nerds and computers.


Oh well.

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Posted: 25th May 2007 21:26
I partially agree with Cash Curtis II a little, but I also agree with tha_rami and Jeku.

IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE GIRL.

By saying "ALL GIRLS" you're stereotyping, say "most", which, we all know is the more appropriate word.

Hey Xenocythe, middle school GF's don't really count, you'll find this out when you're older. (Just telling you.)
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Posted: 25th May 2007 21:37
Well some guys says me a nerd or geek.. but i dont care.. When u are programmer u dont have to be nerd and geek then.. What im saying i do have social life too.. Lot of good Friends well should i say bad friends cuz we are like 90% of our time in school talking to headmaster what we have done and get into attention.. But i have explaination to that too.. We do it because we are searching excitement because life is veery boring u dont see anything intresting.. Like every day is same "U wake up in 8am ... U eat.. walk into school.. do those annyoining things on class lol.. u go to home.. or just hang up with friends.. and go to sleep.." But next year i will drop my "evillness" because i do need to get a job too after schools

And also i have hobbies like Football and Floorball somedays im playing Baseball too..

I also had GF but i found out he was totally lame and i got wrong idea bout her.........

So anyways what was the topic?


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Posted: 25th May 2007 23:57
I agree most middle school sweethearts don't count, but I'm a long-relationship kind of guy. I don't just go for looks, or just to make out with a girl. I don't use them at all.

I just go for the girls that I honestly like, and hope to make the best of it. And the 4-5 girlfriends is actually over a span of about 3 years.


Hey, aren't we talking about something else? This turned into a database of info on why or why not nerds can get girls.

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Yea, when did this go from some idiot to GF's? lol.
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Posted: 26th May 2007 01:01
AH HA! Cash Curtis II brought up girls!
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Posted: 26th May 2007 01:17
Why doesn't that surprise me?

I think Roxas got it right there, you don't have to be a geek or nerd to be a programmer and well geeks/nerds are just as capable as getting a girlfriend than anyone else...But I wonder if that is because this is Europe and this is a problem for America (I only have TV stereotyping to go on, so I won't jump to any conclusions as such) but there is supposed to be that macho-jock culture and tarting yourself up to appease others, the whole superficial goings on. I don't think that is so much as a problem here, because it's who you are and not what you are in a lot of cases. Although I know an awful lot of people that are quite shallow - one of the people I used to know well dumbed his girlfriend because she wasn't good in bed...He's not macho (Far from it, he start hitting a friend of mine, I picked him up and took him outside), but girls go crazy for that Emo look for some reason,

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That C++ Nerd
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Posted: 26th May 2007 01:29 Edited at: 26th May 2007 01:30
Yea Seppuku, America is very different compared to the world. If everyone hates each other in the UK, or you can't find a girl, IT'S THE UK. It seems like many Americans don't like the UK, this is probably from all the conspiracy and treason theories. Idk, I don't really have a problem.

Why can't everyone just get along?
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Posted: 26th May 2007 01:32
I really wanna try the emo look of some sort. Not only do I have an image that I think I would look good in, but girls do go crazy for it.

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Quote: "I really wanna try the emo look of some sort. Not only do I have an image that I think I would look good in, but girls do go crazy for it."


I'm sure slit wrists attract also.

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