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Geek Culture / A True Ebay A-hole. Feel free to post thoughts.

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That C++ Nerd
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Posted: 28th May 2007 15:43
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My dad is 52 years old, and has been repairing antique clocks for over 30 years, and has a lot of experience. My father does not know much about more modern technology, and has always liked the simple things. He's always been very nice to people, and sometimes lets people push him around.


Recently, my father has been, well, addicted to ebay. He likes to buy more clocks on ebay to fix up, and sell them.

One day, my father saw an unbelievable deal for a Waterbury wall clock for only $300 (about £150). So he put a bid in, and won for around $380.

When the clock arrived in the mail, he immediately saw that the clock was a fake, worth no more than $15 (£7). Someone even tried to etch the company name into the case. He returned to ebay, and told the seller about the item. The seller instantly lied about:

1. The pictures were of a different clock.
2. The clock was a total fake, you could break the case in half with your bare hands.
3. Someone wrote the company name on the clock, trying to pass it off as a real one.

The seller then left my father negative feedback, and completely trashed his account with ebay disputes (of lies), making false statemnts about payments, and other ridiculous things.

The seller then sent him an e-mail filled with swears, lies, and statements that just made him sound like an idiot. After doing all that he gave him an ebay strike.

WHERE'S THE A-HOLE PATROL WHEN YOU NEED THEM?!?!

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UnderLord
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Posted: 28th May 2007 15:51
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Sounds like your dad just needs to file all sorts of claims against him. If he is in the same country you can try legal action against him, he has already slandered your dad's good name.

But i don't know how e-bay works with that since I'v only ever bought one thing off e-bay a night vision camera. Never had any of these problems, GOOD LUCK!

"I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road."
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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 28th May 2007 16:03
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I once had a problem with an idiot who called himself "Peckham Pounders". After delivering a pirate of Office passed off as the real thing, he then proceeded to call me an imbecile. At which, I contacted Microsoft who immediately sued him.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Raven
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Posted: 28th May 2007 16:05
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depending on the state the guy is in, your dad can pursue legal action without being in the same country due to the laws here.

i'd suggest contacting ebay about this, however don't expect a speedy resolution; they're reknown for having a poor customer service.

things like this is why i avoid ebay like the plague. both of my parents (and their partners) are "ebayites", but I personally don't see the point in it what-so-ever. It grew too fast, without a proper back-end infrastructure to handle the volume and potencial mis-uses. It's like mySpace, that has issues all over the place (unlike the Microsoft Spaces that have been around for a decade).. it's just a common problem when you have a great idea but lack the real-world skills to put it into practise properly.

only one of these things i've ever used is that one we have here where you bid on items and the first person to bid wins. Don't pay anything for the goods you just have to be able to travel to where it's being "sold" to pick it up. for the life of me, can't remember the site name. Rich posted about it a while ago, was very good though.. not cause things are free (although bonus) but the actual system they have is quite well developed too. Think it might be called Freetrader or Freebay. something silly like that.

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That C++ Nerd
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Posted: 28th May 2007 16:13 Edited at: 28th May 2007 16:14
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Thanks guys. My dad mentioned a lawsuit, but the seller just spread more lies. It looks like my dad is gaining a lot of ebay friends, this guy has had problems before.

@NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret

Nicely executed. I was going to release this guy's username for people to trash it, but I thought that would break forum rules.


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Posted: 28th May 2007 16:16
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Quote: "i'd suggest contacting ebay about this, however don't expect a speedy resolution; they're reknown for having a poor customer service."


That's about your only recourse. It would cost much more than what you lost to track the jerk down and take him to court. Then you would have to prove what you say is true. It's nearly impossible. Chalk it up as a cheap lesson and use eBay at your own risk.

Best.

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Cash Curtis II
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Posted: 28th May 2007 16:46
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E-bay admin can rescind the negative feedback after you complete their checklist. Or, you and the seller can both change your feedback. That's usually easier.


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JerBil
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Posted: 28th May 2007 16:51
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Since your dad will have a past feedback history on ebay and a list of purchases made, that should be helpful in making your case to ebay.
It should be easy to show that the clock is not what was said to be as well.

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Posted: 28th May 2007 17:07
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Quote: "Think it might be called Freetrader or Freebay. something silly like that."

http://www.freecycle.org, there are hundreds of localised groups. The UK one is located at http://www.freecycle.org.uk

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That C++ Nerd
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Posted: 28th May 2007 17:22
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I really SHOULD post this guys username to show hoe much he argues with people. He does sell a lot of stuff, and gets some good feedback, but when he gets bad feedback, he treats the buyer like trash, and says truly horrible things about people.

On one of the feedback's, he laughed at the buyer because the buyer's house got flooded and couldn't pay right away, so he completely trashed the guy's account.
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Agent Dink
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Hey, C++ Nerd, lemme know his name please. I do a good amount of eBay selling and if I run into this guy I wanna watch out.

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Posted: 28th May 2007 18:01
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Could u give the name of this account I want to check hes feedback..


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Posted: 28th May 2007 18:48
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Obvious advice now, but still worth bearing in mind. Never buy anything really expensive on ebay, and never by anything that can be faked (i.e. designer clothes, watches, clocks, sun glasses etc.). Not worth the risk. If you want to buy something expensive like a car, arrange a viewing first. If it's too good to be true on ebay, it often will be.


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Posted: 28th May 2007 19:30
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If you paid with Paypal you can try to stop payment if it was under 30 days (I believe that's the limit). Paypal will investigate your claim.

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Posted: 28th May 2007 19:43
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post the ordeal on thew ebay forums, you might be able to get the issue resolved by them.

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Posted: 29th May 2007 00:13
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If he paid through PayPal, I have had a good experience with their 'dispute' system. Well worth putting in a claim through them as they have the power to shut down his PayPal account and refund any money left in it. The down side is that if he is quick off the mark he can empty his PayPal account so there isn't any money left to refund. Of course it will prevents him from selling anything else via PayPal and ripping other people off but its not much help to you.
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Posted: 29th May 2007 03:12 Edited at: 29th May 2007 03:13
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The only negative thing you can say about a buyer is A. They didn't pay or B. They took forever to pay. Nothing else merits negative feedback. If he left your dad bad feedback for anything else then Ebay needs to take action. Making fun of a buyer is ludicrous. Feedback like that should be easily dealt with by E-bay.


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Yeah, I always pay with paypal, and if the item is not as was described, I stop the payment, begin a dispute with the seller through paypal, begin a dispute with the seller through ebay, and just let things flow.

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Jeku
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Posted: 29th May 2007 06:30
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Too bad the Paypal dispute avenue expires after something like 30 days after purchase. I learned that the hard way when Kang2 ripped me off--- no, stole $50 from me and sent me a doorstop. By the time I realized I had been duped, Paypal would not help me.

But if you're under 30 days, file a claim. I've been ripped off prior to that by somebody in Hong Kong and PayPal still managed to get my money back from the dealer.

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Ebay tends to correct these issues if you are persistent. I only had one problem with E-bay. Someone got my account. I don't know exaclty how, but they were selling PING golf clubs I my account without my approval. The difficult part was, I wasn't checking that e-mail regularly. So When I did check it, I was like wtf??? I called ebay that day. It took them a while but luckily they informed everyone, and fixed my name and reputation.

That experience really got me worked up. It felt like I had been robbed in a way. Really scary, and I watch my ebay account more closely. I wasn't buying or selling at that time, and so I snoozed a bit. Good thing it was all sorted out.

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Actually he DIDN'T pay with paypal.

@lagmaster

There was a dispute about it on ebay, but he lied to them. When we contacted ebay, they were rude, and didn't listen to my dad's side of the story.

Believe it or not, this guy seems to be highly known for ripping people off. We contacted another buyer having trouble with the seller, and were informed that he had to make a new account after his other one got trashed with negatives. His account is called "zoney" but with a number after it, I'll get it and post it on here when I get the number.

Thanks guys.
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I ALWAYS pay with paypal, if they do not accept paypal then I do not buy from them. Paypal has helped reconcile several disputes I have had in the past. If the seller doesn't respond to the dispute or provides lacking or faulty information, paypal is right there for you, they have never let me down.

That is too bad that your father did not use paypal. I too am curious as to who this seller is. I also agree with Cash that the seller should leave feedback when they get paid, their experience should be determined by whether the buyer paid for their item.

If your father has good feedback and this guy has a considerable amount of negative feedback (a feedback rating of less than 95%) then I would definately talk to eBay about this.

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I just found out, this guy's has 4 different usernames. He's got 37 negative feedbacks, and seems to sell fake stuff to people for a living, some of it just junk. Here are some quotes from my dad's feedback

Quote: "zoney??: Claimed item was fake, lost "not as described claim" to ebay

My Dad: This seller lied to me numerous times, and constantly made excuses for this item

zoney??: Falsely accuses me of fraud and now I'm a liar!"


That's just one^^^

Quote: "????diamonds: item came with no cover

zoney??: seller apparently can't read!"



This one really got me angry (and people on the forums know how I get angry)

Quote: " ??olo: Item was barely functional, basically is junk

zoney??: No complaint , item either damaged in ship or by purchaser says it works? WOW!"


There's a list more of them.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm ready to track this guy down, and send all the angry buyers to his house to see how things go in person *ha ha ha

I don't think I should release all the usernames to the public, just who's curious. If you guys want to know just e-mail me, and I'll send you them.

Thanks again guys.
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