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Geek Culture / Some Drawings from 2005! & Myopia

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zenassem
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Posted: 30th May 2007 18:21
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I originally posted this in Ric's thread, then realized it was hijacking!

Was in reply to indi's tips...

Thanks Indi,

Nice to get great tips like that.

I Love "Winnie The Pooh", and actually did a drawing for my fiancee's daughter. I'll take a Pic of that, and my drawing of Tinker Bell for her older daughter. I have Myopia in my left eye which gives me a distorted drawing style, and I have false depth perception.

had to take these on an angle as I didn't feel like dealing with the flash...

I mix mediums without regard for anything I learned in Art.
All of these are a combination of pastel, crayon, Black ink (rapidograph), Colored Pencils.





Here I tried to convey to my girfriend how my eye sees the world. Sorta like fish-eye. It's tough to express, sorta like a blind person trying to convey red or blue I would imagine.




I think I could have it (my eye problem) fixed with LASIK, but I'm scared to do it. I have learned to live my entire life using mainly my right eye, and I'm not sure how my brain would adjust to a clear image.

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Posted: 30th May 2007 18:25 Edited at: 30th May 2007 18:27
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Sorry to hear about having utopia in your eye (how did it get in there?), your drawings are very nice though!

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Posted: 30th May 2007 18:34
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Quote: "I have Myopia in my left eye which gives me a distorted drawing style, and I have false depth perception."


I think myopia is the correct name for short sightedness isn't it? Because I also have that in my left eye, somewhat coincidentally - although my glasses seem to pretty much sort out my vision. I get the impression that your myopia is slightly more complicated though (because I assume you don't/can't wear glasses or they don't do the job 100%)

Your drawings are extremely impressive though - I definitely cannot draw or even write without my glasses on, so drawing what you have drawn with this kind of blurry mess for vision is damn good ( + they're damn good regardless of the vision related stuff).

Overall: Impressive


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Posted: 30th May 2007 18:40 Edited at: 1st Jun 2007 08:56
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I was born with it. I'm honestly not sure if mine is correctable, it wasn't about 20 years ago. But because I only have it in one eye, my brain generally rejects the unfocused image coming in from the left eye. So my right eye is 20/20 and my left eye is somewhere around 20/60+.

[EDIT] removed INFO that I restate in my next post.

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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 07:44
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Honestly, myopia isn't a big deal. Many people have it. Just get glasses.
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@Benjamin
Thanks Benjamin. It's not easy for me to share my work. I'm very critical of myself. I generally see every mistake and the doubt creeps in.

I put these up hoping indi would see them and possibly comment. I know these drawings aren't professional quality, I used Crayola crayons... but it's hard not to wonder what someone established in the industry thinks. I'm prepared for tough crit (somewhat). I always wondered if I should have pursued an Art education. And the "What If's..."


@Alex l337, Unfortunately glasses don't help me. My brain has turned off using my left eye to process anything my right eye can see. So I have a more difficult case as it is also tied in with lazy eye (no eye drift though). My eyes move together, but my left eye can't focus.

The wiring in my brain is set to reject image from the left eye. So even if I had LASIK, I would have to retrain my brain to utilize it. The improvement % is pretty low for people over the age of 10. I have seen new studies that suggest, I might be able to "turn-on" the path again once the focus is corrected. It would take a lot of effort on my part. I guess I'm sort of scared to go through all of that, get my hopes up, and either have it not work, or be uncomfortable with success.

It's hard for me to imagine seeing with two eyes. To bring it into perspective - (pun intedended) - it would be like a normal sighted person thinking about how they would deal with a 3rd eye, or an eye in back of their head.

You could retrain yourself. I saw a documentary of a scientist in Europe who had goggles that shifted the world upside down. It took him 3 months wearing the goggles 24/7 to re-train his brain. He had to learn to intepret the world just like an infant. He vomited often in the first weeks.

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Nice drawings, esp considering your eye problems. I dunno, I think I would go and find out more about the procedure and it's risks. Easy to say for me though...

Friend of mine has an eye problem where he cannot see where you normally focus. ie. it is the total opposite of tunnel vision. He doesn't get a black dot where you focus but instead his brain fills it in with what it thinks is there. When I first met him he did an example where he told me to put my hand on the table. To him my hand did not exist when he focused on it. But the table underneath still did! So basically he looks at everything through his peripheral vision. Amazingly this hasn't stopped him from being a really good programmer for a living (although he has to look very close to the screen) and he actually plays (and is pretty near the top) in the local squash league (I've tried with my 20-20 vision and I'm s***e...) and is probably the best player I've ever seen at light gun games. I mean really really good...

Quote: "shifted the world upside down"
Thats legendary! Isn't it something like these glasses that have mirrors that show everything upside down? Then after a while your brain corrects it and you see everything perfectly fine. Take the glasses off though and everything is upside down! Until your brain sorts itself out again...

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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 18:24
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Quote: "Quote: "shifted the world upside down"
Thats legendary! Isn't it something like these glasses that have mirrors that show everything upside down? Then after a while your brain corrects it and you see everything perfectly fine. Take the glasses off though and everything is upside down! Until your brain sorts itself out again..."


That's exactly what he did. An you are correct in how the experiment turned out. I'll try to find a link to the scientist and his video. Anyone who is interested in neural networks should see it.

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Ok the scientists name is Professor Hubert Dolezal, from chicago. The movie was produced by the BBC. Here's a link that touches upon it. Now I'll try to find a more in-depth look, and online vid.

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The first one is a classic pose of the poo family, you have added some characters and left some in place, plus tweak the background.

tiggers eyes area always circular, each character at disney has a 2 inch book about dos and donts.
there is two chapters in tiggers book alone for his stripe placement.
ahh its been a while

however for your kids bedroom its great mate.

Not sure of the 2nd one or third one.

If this helps as well, try drawing the thing you want up-sidown, it will kill your ability to symbolize things and draw closer to the recreation. It doesnt hurt as well to use the grid method. Draw a grid on the original and your paper, then faithfully recreate each cell of the grid one by one.

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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 19:10 Edited at: 1st Jun 2007 19:11
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Here are some sketches i took photos of as well of goof and tiggs from my induction sketches, if they help as well. this is ten year old material as well so you can see i was still learning then, check out the spheres, no way regular

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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 19:19
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thanks indi.

I'll make a better attempt, and see where my skills are now. First by hand, and then digital. I drew the first two when I met my fiancee. I was sick, and high off Vicks Daycare, and drew the pictures for her daughters.

Both of the disney drawings were done off of internet ref pics. Not sure if the one you posted was it. They aren't traced, as you can tell. The one with tinkerbell is actually combined of a TB minature and a cell from Peter pan where he is on the rock. I'll try to locate the refs.

I didn't lie... It's mine. I swear. lol.

downloading your sketches now.

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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 19:29
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its ok I can tell you gave it a real shot. no harm/ foul

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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 19:32 Edited at: 1st Jun 2007 20:11
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Here was the first Ref. Pic.

I spent the most time on Pooh, the others I rushed... and knowing it was for a 9y.o. I fudged it. Especially the K-roo's.

From a post I read yesterday, I gather you had a close encounter with a Roo.


The 2nd Ref. Pic.s
Peter Pan Cell (I must have drank way too much Vicks)

Miniature Ref .


The third pic, was a real-life sketch of Montauk, Long Island NY, from a balcony at an Inn we were staying at.

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If you must know Guy.S. used to control and own Real Game Tools.
At one point the community forked into two forums and areas.

Guy bought me a domain name and hosted my web-server as well as my parents business.
I worked for him in his forum for a very long time for free as well as here as a moderator.

Suddenly things turned sour with RGT and TGC,no-one outside the pyramid really knows.
Guy proclaimed he was losing thousands of dollars somehow, and decided to just disappear.

I waited patiently for his email replies for nearly a year to get resolution regarding the hosting and domain names. He never replied once. Stuffing my domain name permanently as well as screwing my parents business over.

I found the wretched coward as his name is unique and was into magic, he tried to pull a disappearing act. You will do a lot better never to mention that losers name here again.

as for the kangaroo story, that was a poor excuse for a man, taking a swipe at me for helping him.

btw take a close look at a 7 foot red roo mate.
please, they are not cute and cuddly as you might assume

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@indi, was that Guy.S suppose to be posted here? Was he the roo?

Nice sketches indi. Ok mine look really silly now.
I will see what I can learn from yours.

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you asked me about the roo story mate, now you know.
roos are deadlier stronger and have more guts then that guy.

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Quote: "Honestly, myopia isn't a big deal. Many people have it. Just get glasses."


Evidently there is >1 form of Myopia, and the 'common' form happens to be the most mild / easily curable


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OMG! That Roo is scary. It could seriously mess someone up. With all the animal shows about, I've never really seen an "Adult" Kangaroo.

I remember a cartoon of a boxing Kangaroo. I honestly thought they were suppose to be cute. The baby roos that Hanna guy brought out on the Maury show, years ago was cute.

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Oh my bad then, I thought myopia could be easily treatable with glasses. I guess I was wrong...
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Is this game any good?



This is how I pictured kangas to be. A bit goofy, not like that 7 foot, all muscle red!

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Posted: 2nd Jun 2007 15:54 Edited at: 2nd Jun 2007 15:54
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you tell me, it probably fits your age group with your comment

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oKAyO, I will never make fun of Kangaroos again, and I'll never bring up G.S.. Mainly cause Australians scare me.

Especially SASR



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VERY NICE pictures =)

"I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road."
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