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MikeB
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Posted: 31st May 2007 01:20 Edited at: 31st May 2007 01:20
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Search for bikini in the fpsc showcase, find the one entitled
"bikini babe's slasher party".

Now, what I find really strange, is the fact that in (for example) a 12 game, we are allowed to kill people..... occasionally with blood...... we're allowed to (in some cases, such as Morrowind) kill anyone we feel like, but.... at the slightest hint of nudity...... BOOM 18+.


I just don't get it........ surely it's more harmful to allow that age group to kill things than to see some crappy CG.... you know.



And the same goes for films........ I mean.... look at how violent the latest Pirates film was..... if they'd added a sex scene, it would have gone to a 15 or 18.

Not because of these facts:
(some slight spoilers)

No.... because we would have seen Keira knightley in her birthday suit.......




Does anyone else find that strange, or am I going to have to hang my head in shame at my lack of understanding??

I mean.... hellooooooo, in Britian sex ed is started in year 7 (age about 11+)



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EDIT: Codify didn't work... fixed now.

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 31st May 2007 01:30
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You're completely right. As usual, the law is counter-intuitive. Slow down, so you get bored, lose your concerntration and crash. Yeah. That's safer.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Jon Fletcher
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Posted: 31st May 2007 01:42
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i agree, more nudity!!

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Hmmm, I thought the U.S. were the last of the prudes when it came to nudity vs. violence. I agree with you, and I don't get it myself.

In fact, I always wondered this... and never asked.

How do you rate a program like FPSC? What ESRB rating fits an app that allows you (and intends for you to) create first person shooters?

When we place stuff for download here, is anyone actually responsible for what the content is? For instance if I programmed an adult theme game, would I have any responsibility (or TGC) to make sure it doesn't get into someone under 18?

I never took ratings seriously when I was growing up, perhaps for movies, but not video-games. Of course the graphics weren't as real as today, but everyone I knew had thousands of pirated games for C64 and many of them had nudity, cracked/modded nudity, or just completely outrageous Video-Porn. Amiga/ST followed suit, except not as many pirated disks as those c64 days. I might have purchased 24 titles out of the thousands of disks I had - each full of multiple games.

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rating is optional, even if you get a game published and put on store shelves. Publishers only get games rated to cover their own backsides due to "my kid played your game, now he worships satan and shot up his school - signed mother of avid harvest moon player"

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Posted: 31st May 2007 02:31
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Quote: "signed mother of avid harvest moon player""


Lol, was he under 3 or something??

I hope I don't come accros as some nude fanatic or something..... I just find it really stupid .


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heh just a joke based on when these parents bitch about how their kids have gone crazy because of computer games.

wish for once someone would turn around to them and tell them it's their dumbass parenting, and their kid was nuts before they played the game.

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Its screwed up when something natural, is guarded more than mindless killing...

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Posted: 31st May 2007 19:24
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here's a thought, raise your own friggin kids and stop letting the entertainment world do it for you!

There's many crazy people in the world, so statistically speaking at least a few of them will play video games. So instead of blaming games for making crazy people (ignoring the millions of other gamers who keep in touch with reality) how bout we just start off with the real problem, THEY WERE ALREADY DISTURBED!


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Quote: "here's a thought, raise your own friggin kids and stop letting the entertainment world do it for you!

There's many crazy people in the world, so statistically speaking at least a few of them will play video games. So instead of blaming games for making crazy people (ignoring the millions of other gamers who keep in touch with reality) how bout we just start off with the real problem, THEY WERE ALREADY DISTURBED!"


Sensible person .


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Posted: 31st May 2007 21:45
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It's because violence and killing is completely okay and ethical, looking at boobs and having sex isn't, didn't you know that? Is your morality screwed up man?

I can see where you are coming from though, but 12 year olds and older aren't likely to be influenced by a computer game/TV Program because it's vuilent, try 1-5 for that. (Although I guess between 5 and 10 may have some influences to the kid, but a good parent stops their young'ns playing too many violent games/watching violent movies)

Sex/dirty stuff however is still a rather large taboo, I mean if sex is suddenly made more or less okay for them to see, it could mean sex is more or less okay for them to do underage. And we have enough teenage parents as it is. Even if it's polygons/pixels on the screen, it is enough for it to set off the hormones, why else is there Hentai on the internet? Artistic form? I don't think so

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Posted: 31st May 2007 21:51 Edited at: 31st May 2007 21:53
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Sep is right, you have to keep this stuff away from kids. It could grow them into being dirty immoral people. The age at which kids start playing violent games is about the time it really won't have much of an influence on them. By the time a kid is interested in sex appeal in his games, it's going to influence him alot more than the violence would. If they really must have that in a game, then it's best to wait a few years when they can perhaps more easily control their emotions and feelings and make the right choices. We don't need more child molesters and rapists because a kid got obsessed with porn at the age of 11 and now can't control himself.

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Posted: 31st May 2007 21:56
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I can understand where the above posters are coming from........
But, I still find it strange .


E.D.

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Posted: 31st May 2007 22:15 Edited at: 31st May 2007 22:22
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Indeed, I think the violence tends to only apply to the mass learning periods when a kid is a sponge for info, or when there is something else there to encourage them (Violent games may make a child bad tempered, but that would come with spoiling the child and giving them no boundries)

Quote: "It could grow them into being dirty immoral people."


I wouldn't necessarily take it to that extreme, but I'm sure it helps make things more fanciful at a younger age.

But I don't think violence in games and sex are significant, but bear some significance to behaviour and the perceptions of a child and them growing up. I'm a peaceful pacifist (except when defending myself or others) Buddhist virgin, who has watched violent movies, seen the odd sexual reference, watch stuff like South Park since the age of 7 and started listening to stuff like Marilyn Manson and Metallica when I was 9, my two favourite movies were Storm of the Century and played GTA from I-Sand Andreas (As a kid my fav. bit was the guy putting an axe into his own face and The Shining) so I'm hardly affected (But I was well raised) Theoretically, I should be completely screwed up in the head. (Some may argue that I am )

Anyway, although in the real world violence is worse than sex, but watching sex on TV/Games is more influential than violence. I could try to provide a speech on why I think that is so, but I can't be bothered

Oh and we do our hormone for sex is stronger than any for violence. So I guess it may seem weird to you, but then I suppose that's because you're looking at the morality of the actual things happening rather than the effects.

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Posted: 31st May 2007 22:27 Edited at: 31st May 2007 22:27
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Quote: "I wouldn't necessarily take it to that extreme"


Ok, maybe not most people, but it's very possible. Just as it takes the 1 in 1,000,000th person to take Doom to an unrealistic level and go and slaughter his school, but im glad you see where I am coming from.

As far as the ratings go, I think they are pretty much ok. I can't say I agree with the content in all games, but I think it's pretty well rated, just as movies are. After all, they aren't really laws or anything, just rules and guidelines that parents can follow to keep their kids from mischief. I mean, it doesn't make any difference what the rating on a game is if mom goes and buys GTA for little 12 year old Johnny, or if Johnny goes to some game store and they don't refuse to sell it to him. That's why parents need to be more responsible for their kids. Sure it's their kids choice to do these things, but ultimately the parent should be watching out more for the kid.

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Quote: "but ultimately the parent should be watching out more for the kid."


Damn you are so right.

When I was young I wasn't allowed to do a lot of stuff, and I hated it, but now I think that was a good idea .



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Posted: 31st May 2007 23:15 Edited at: 31st May 2007 23:18
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Quote: "When I was young I wasn't allowed to do a lot of stuff, and I hated it, but now I think that was a good idea ."


I agree to some extent.

But I had all of those adult games from the age of 11, the media/pol groups weren't making a fuss over it, and playing a few hands of strip poker didn't corrupt me too much. The violent games didn't have me or anyone else I knew pull a Columbine.

And I'm pretty normal. At least Grandma thinks so!

If my mom knew what that old commodore 64 did for me....


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Quote: "Now, what I find really strange, is the fact that in (for example) a 12 game, we are allowed to kill people..... occasionally with blood...... we're allowed to (in some cases, such as Morrowind) kill anyone we feel like, but.... at the slightest hint of nudity...... BOOM 18+."


Violence in video games is blamed for many terrible accidents, but it's not always the cause. The Virginia Tech killer didn't play video games at all, some people just say that video games are the cause so they can cover up that the problem is really their fault. I play violent video games all the time and I would never dream of doing anyting stupid like trying to get a gun at shoot it at people. But sex or nudity in games, that will influence many many more people because people "know" it's not dangerous like violence.

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We actually talked about this in a class I had a while ago.

I believe violence triggers this "release" that some people can't handle, and, of course, they get sick ideas from games. Same goes for sex.

If the player/viewer is bombarted with images of sex, they become accustomed to it, making those little sexual references set off a trigger. And this sometimes leads them on a downward spiral of their mental AND physical state.

I agree with zenassem and some others. Violence/sex in games should not be exposed to players, until they are mentally mature enough to handle what they are seeing.

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While I am far from normal, I am a peaceful, non sex-obsessed person; and I have played games such as DOOM, Leisure Suit Larry, Half-Life ect.

Some people are just different than others, so naturally, some are more affected than others no matter the age. What one 10 year old may be able to handle, could really affect a 15 year old. Some brains just process things differently.


Quote: "There's many crazy people in the world"


"In an insane world, a sane man must appear insane."

"I admire its purity, a survivor, unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality"

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UR NOT COMEDIAN
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Quote: "UR NOT COMEDIAN"


if thats directed at me, may i ask why?

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SSS, neither are you

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@SSS - Go away. Nobody thinks you're funny, either.

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About the Virginia Tech killer--- of course he played videogames. Every male who goes to college at one time or another has played a videogame. It's like saying he didn't listen to music or watch TV

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He wasn't be funny, if he was a comedian, then he'd have a good TV career and earn plenty of money with TV comedy gameshows inviting him to make an appearence, like on QI. Unless Zaibatsu is Bill Bailey or somebody else, I highly doubt that he is a comedian.

Quote: ""In an insane world, a sane man must appear insane.""


That is true, or if you want to go for the 1984 thought 'sanity is only the majority' - but to be fair, that was to make one of the only sane people in the world look insane.

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Getting on topic again, I agree with Zaibatsu.

I actually saw a special on Discovery last night on TV. There was a handful of nudity. And there it is right there! It all depends on how it is intended to be taken.

Maturity, and the ability to handle things in an appropriate manner, is a good thing to have, but not everyone has it.

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Quote: "Maturity, and the ability to handle things in an appropriate manner, is a good thing to have, but not everyone has it."


Lol, that sounded very deep .

So I'll agree with YOU .


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Quote: "I agree with Zaibatsu.
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WOO HOO! someone agrees with me on something!

Quote: "That is true, or if you want to go for the 1984 thought 'sanity is only the majority' - but to be fair, that was to make one of the only sane people in the world look insane."


actually, i was just quoting Alien 3


Quote: "I actually saw a special on Discovery last night on TV. There was a handful of nudity."


lemme guess: Caveman or tribal special?

Quote: "Unless Zaibatsu is Bill Bailey or somebody else, I highly doubt that he is a comedian."


I still don't know what I did to be called a comedian in the first place! I wasn't trying to be...

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WHOA! Zaibatsu how'd you know? Were you watching that, too?

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no. they've had thousands of specials. I use to watch them all the time. Around 11 to 12 they'd have a content warning on the Cavemen and Tribe stuff.

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