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Xarshi
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Posted: 7th Jun 2007 21:34
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Ok,so I have convinced my parents into letting me costum build my computer. Right now though,i want to know the difference between an amd athlon 64 fx and an amd athlon 64 x2. I have no clue which series is better. So can anyone tell me which one of those series performs better?

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Raven
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Posted: 7th Jun 2007 21:39
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FX designed for Gaming (Single Core)
X2 designed for Business/Multi-Media (Dual-Core)

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Xarshi
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Posted: 7th Jun 2007 23:31
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Hm...then why does it say that the fx is dual core? Oh well,I'll probably just get an amd athlon 64 x2 6000+.

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Posted: 7th Jun 2007 23:41
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I'd get hte X2, dual-core is the best for most anything!

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Posted: 7th Jun 2007 23:46
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Quote: "Hm...then why does it say that the fx is dual core? Oh well,I'll probably just get an amd athlon 64 x2 6000+."


Not followed AMD in recent months, not since the FX-60 which was still a single core processor.

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 8th Jun 2007 00:30
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Dual core is essential for modern games such as Oblivion, which try to run the game on one core and load it on the other... quite sluggish if you use pretty much any single core!


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Xarshi
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Posted: 8th Jun 2007 01:52
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Ok. Does cyberpowerpc.com ship the driver installation discs with the computer? Because I'm not planning on getting an os from them(my parents are getting windows vista ultimate for 8$) and so I'm scared that they won't send the driver installers...and yes,my parents get the os legally...

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SageTech
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Don't get an AMD processor. While I was looking into building a new PC, which I did for several weeks, I found that getting an AMD processor at this point in time is not a good idea. The two main reasons are simple:

1. The Athlon 64 X2 series has been beaten almost every time by the competing core 2 duo processors, especially with the AMD 6000 vs the Intel 6600.

2. Getting an AMD Cpu at this point is pretty much a dead end for any future upgrades, because the domineering AMD socket type, AM2, is about to be discontinued. However the LGA 775 socket, the one Intel's 6600 cpu uses, is not going anywhere for a while.

Also, how much is the budget for your new PC?


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Xarshi
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Posted: 8th Jun 2007 02:47 Edited at: 8th Jun 2007 02:49
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$1,700. If I go above,then I'm pretty much screwed. My parents are doing a deal with me. They spot me the money,and I work my butt off until I pay them back. I'm having a job interview soon,so thats good. But yeah,before you had posted that I switched to getting an e6600. I also switched to an 8800gts 640mb oced.

Edit - The only reason I haven't attempted at an 8800GTX is because people say the get really hot.

Edit 2 - Oh yeah,and I honestly don't care at which processor I get atm,cuz my current processor in my currrent pc is an intel pentium 4 1.3 GHz. Yeah...the very first intel pentium 4. Haha.

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Posted: 8th Jun 2007 03:03 Edited at: 8th Jun 2007 03:03
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Ok,current setup I have is $1499. It includes:


So that is the setup I'm looking at right now. Is that enough cooling? The case includes 2 180mm fans as well. So that be 1x 180mm + 3x 80mm fans. Plus the cpu liquid cooling if that effects anything else...

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Posted: 8th Jun 2007 03:20
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If I may suggest, use Newegg, you will save LOADS of money, and they have an infinite amount of computer parts.


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yeah,I think my parents just told me no on the whole building from scratch. I'm still gonna try though. I'm sure I can convince them,haha.

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Posted: 8th Jun 2007 04:21
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Save up money and buy stuff a bit at a time..
Is it completely neccessary to have liquid cooling? isn't that pretty expensive? or am I jsut mistaken..

also, you could start off with just 1GB ram, and later when you get more money, get the next GB

and what do you mean optical drive? DVD/CD drive?

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Xarshi
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Thing about the computer,I need it relatively soon cuz I'm going to start a computer class soon(my current one is dead,I'm using my bros laptop). Liquid cooling...um..coolermaster's is alot cheaper apparently. I'm probably gonna be building from scratch,so the 2gb will cost the same as 1gb on www.buyxg.com. And yes,I mean a DVD/CD drive.

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Posted: 8th Jun 2007 04:54 Edited at: 8th Jun 2007 04:56
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Quote: "2. Getting an AMD Cpu at this point is pretty much a dead end for any future upgrades, because the domineering AMD socket type, AM2, is about to be discontinued. However the LGA 775 socket, the one Intel's 6600 cpu uses, is not going anywhere for a while.
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True, but... AM3 CPU will have the ability to run in AM2 motherboards. Granted, it may not take full advantage of the processor. Whats going to be cut by running an AM3 CPU in an AM2 mobo is not known right now. On the other hand, AM3 mobo's won't be able to run an AM2 CPU due to a difference in the memory controller.

So, in the end, buying an AM2 processor right now isn't an entirely bad bet for the future, but its unknown if its going to be the wisest.

Honestly, I'm running AMD X2 on 2 computers and loving it. Have an Intel duo core in my lappy, and its ok. Gets really hot some nights though(its a lappy though, so not a good benchmark, of course).

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Xarshi
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Posted: 8th Jun 2007 08:06
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yeah. Ok! New specs for my costum build rig!(I'll post links to the stuff on newegg.com)



And that costs $1,022.74 with shipping included Ohhhh yeah,thats what I'm talking about.

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Posted: 8th Jun 2007 08:16
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I prefer pioneer for a burner to lite-on.

The fact you squeezed a 320 / 8800 and a physics card into a rig for near a grand is impressive.

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wow...that is quite impressive!

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Posted: 8th Jun 2007 08:50 Edited at: 8th Jun 2007 09:06
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Its also factory overclocked,so its faster than the other 320's Plus a physx card to make me happy with cell factor I'm quite surprised myself that I got this. I got it up to $1,065.64 because I added a keyboard and speaker system(2 speakers + a subwoofer). Overall,this is going to make me happy.

Edit - Got it even lower. It costs $1,042.42 now. I just lowered the keyboard to a less feature-full keyboard. The one I'm getting is just fine. This computer is going to be a huge step up for me from my current. Lemme give you the specs in comparison:


I don't even know the rest of my current pcs specs. All I know is that in dbpro,it gets about 25 FPS rendering a cube with no lighting and no coloring and no texturing,with only a blue backdrop. Yeah,now you see why an upgrade is necessary

Oh yes,not to mention that I always feel a wave of heat coming from my computer and monitor,even when the computer is idle. The fans do NOTHING. Its terrible.

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Not bothering with 2 graphic cards in SLI configuration then? I assume these days that pretty much every board will handle SLI, but best check in case you want to upgrade in the future...

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Posted: 8th Jun 2007 18:25
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I find Intel PCs to boot slowly and then trundle about when they load stuff. Once they get going (eventually), they are about on par with AMD processors. It's been the same with the 3ghz PCs at school (what few there are) and a PC I used to have. And how often do you upgrade your processor without upgrading the motherboard, too, SageTech?


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Posted: 8th Jun 2007 19:09
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@Dazzag - I don't think my power supply would handle SLI if I ever upgraded to it,but I may as well look around for a board that supports it I'm sure I could find one near the same price.

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