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SamHH
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Posted: 10th Jun 2007 20:55
Ive noticed that the PC versions of games that are for current generation and next generation have been stuck with the current gen graphics which are horrible. but if a game is for 360 Ps3 and PC the graphics fr the PC look great. opinions?
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Posted: 10th Jun 2007 21:13
Like what for example? I've seen what FEAR, Call of Duty 2, Doom 3 and Prey look like on all systems, and they seem to in the same league on all of them -> Okay I could get FEAR to the best settings on my computer (I'm on Low-Medium), but they certainly are better than you are describing.

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Posted: 10th Jun 2007 21:27
i mean like the licensed games the new pirates of the carribean game for example if you look at some of the screens from the pc and 360 versions theres no comparison.
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Posted: 10th Jun 2007 22:02
I saw the advert for the new Pirates of the Carribean game, graphics look awful. But yes I see what you're saying now. I don't know why...other than perhaps to still give people with crappier PC's a chance?

For references of others:

POTC 3- PC Screenshot:
http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/image_viewer/frame_lead.php?pid=937995&img=23
POTC 3- XBox 360 Screenshot:
http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/image_viewer/frame_lead.php?pid=933119&img=3
POTC 3- Playstation 3 Screenshot:
http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/image_viewer/frame_lead.php?pid=933120&img=6
POTC 3- Playstation 2 Screenshot:
http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/image_viewer/frame_lead.php?pid=937994&img=3

PC and PS2 seem to be of the same quality. (And it's just as bad on the Wii)

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Posted: 10th Jun 2007 22:27
i dont know but theres no reason anyone with a good PC shouldnt be able to run a 360 quality version.
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Posted: 10th Jun 2007 22:41 Edited at: 10th Jun 2007 22:41
yeah it depends on your settinga nd graphics ards. I did notice though the PS3 shot hhaaaddd sweet antialiasing

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Posted: 11th Jun 2007 00:06
The models are of a higher quality, so if the PC version is the same, then gamespot must have their settings on low with low model detail of course. The only thing I guess is for those not quite up to date with technology, I guess they felt more people would buy the game at the same quality as their PS2 version as probably more of their target audience have lower spec computers. - Or they're using two different engines for each, and the PS2 one was better for working on the PC version. Of course these are only guesses.

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Posted: 11th Jun 2007 07:18
Honestly this is something that is getting to me recently about those games porting between console and PC.. and by PC let's be frank we mean Windows, not Mac or Linux.

Still this is something I don't understand. To program a game for the Xbox 360 while yeah there are a couple of specialist libraries the main bulk of the game is identical code to an x86 Windows title. As far as PS2 goes, porting could be done to Linux seemlessly; well unless they did specific low-level programming like Square-Enix or such. Those default libs are not only entirely portable with GNU Operating Systems but freaking taken from them.
Most games use OpenGL, OpenAL and SDL for crying out loud. So again porting should be fairly simplistic..

I could go on, but really most games seem to loose quality cross-platform... except between PS3 and X360. To me there's only been some minor quality differences mainly the same issues you'd see between GeForce and Radeon on the PC.

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Posted: 11th Jun 2007 10:38
Quote: "Honestly this is something that is getting to me recently about those games porting between console and PC.. and by PC let's be frank we mean Windows, not Mac or Linux."


Since when was Linux not a PC?
"PC" stands for "Personal Computer", and will always stand for that.
Windows is simply an operating system, as is Linux.
Mac however, is not considered an operating system, as it requires a specific type of computer.

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Posted: 11th Jun 2007 16:55
Quote: "Mac however, is not considered an operating system, as it requires a specific type of computer."


The same could be said about Windows.
I've always hated the term PC, because people exclusively use it for Windows machines; before then it used to be IBM-Compatible, which made even less sense tbh.. as while IBM started the x86, it was intel's chip.

Quote: "Since when was Linux not a PC?
"PC" stands for "Personal Computer", and will always stand for that.
Windows is simply an operating system, as is Linux."


How many PC-CD games have you seen in Game or EB that also support Linux as well as Windows?
Yet you see games showing Mac and PC-CD on them. (mainly blizzards lol)

When we talk about PC games it's just a fact that 9/100 we're talking about a Windows-only game.

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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 01:38
Quote: "When we talk about PC games it's just a fact that 9/100 we're talking about a Windows-only game."
thats not very often lol
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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 01:49
The PC was first released by the IBM Apple makers of orchard bearing fruit.
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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 02:03
forgot a 9. suppose to read 99/100

Quote: "The PC was first released by the IBM Apple makers of orchard bearing fruit"


come again? think someone needs to redo their computer history course, first PC (Personal Computer) was by neither Apple or IBM.

by very nature the entire IBM PC-Compatible saying of the late 80s, really was an oxymoron in itself.

International Business Machines Personal Computer. While I'm sure their laptop (again first laptops I feel were quite ironically named) were erm.. "portable" enough to take home, somehow I doubt your business would let you walk home with £500-worth of hardware in the late-80s. (£500 back in the 86 when the laptop first appeared would be equal to roughly £6,000 now .. and no i'm not joking)

that aside, my point above is valid. I mean Mac currently has only a handful of commercial titles released for the platform; and Linux you have to either order from a Linux specialist, or download a patch from developers .. even with that it's only a very small fraction of commercial titles!)

So realistically, Windows is the PC gaming platform.

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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 02:08
But the new found causes of the orginal GB, give validity in the proofs of scientific data, from those original creations, with a valid name for the uses of newness, in terms of technological advances with modern technologies from the early days of the years.
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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 02:13
alright, is it just me or was that complete nonsense to everyone else?

cause i haven't got a clue to what the hell he was on about

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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 02:23
No, No, No. You see the internal data that can be found within the creation of each technological advice, give validity that a plausible explanation can be given for the graphical complications of that particular sort. For instance, the book is not stupid, artifical sweetners are not bad, and WMDs are really in eye-raq. Nay HAY, Por que!
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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 03:02
And people wonder why I think Americans speak an entirely new language of their own. Anytime someone wants to translate this idiot, or confirm that he is in-fact rambling non-sense feel free.

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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 03:19
I find your comment, of me as an idiot, very crass, and irrelevant, to this thread at hand. Based on the significance on your tone of voice in your short story of a post, this rambling is compromised of 32 years of hard laboring work, based on the arts of Edgar Allan Poe, and Sarah Teasdale, and Coretta Scott King as well as Bob Marley. Thus, this constitutional period of analyitical times is noteworthy for its altruistic behavioral types of given date, therefore give reasonable explanatorial data that Calculus, is false. Yes, Chavs, yar!
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I concur.

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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 03:29
I think that Drew has his own language he believes is real.

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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 03:53 Edited at: 12th Jun 2007 05:14
No actually, I got all that language from here:

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REMOVED BECAUSE STEVE J IS BEING AN ANNOYANCE.
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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 04:15
Wow thats a terrible photoshop, but good try!
And your language, while grammatically correct, makes no logical or conclusive sense. It says things which have no relevance at all. Language, while part grammar, is also part meaning, and your words have very confusing ones.

That is what makes English complicated, our double meanings known by all native speakers.

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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 05:17
Quote: "And people wonder why I think Americans speak an entirely new language of their own. Anytime someone wants to translate this idiot, or confirm that he is in-fact rambling non-sense feel free."

Don't worry, it's only him . I think he was trying to come across as intelligent, but failed to realize that, like Steve J said, language is not only about grammatical correctness and complex words, but also about the significance of it's content .


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Yesh, but the theoristical value of your so called "nonsencutical" posts, happen to create a diverse imaginine of Complexity that tends to cohert with the trivials of modern day vocabulary from distant countries to that of Columbia. Thrust upon may be the outtered shell of contempory usage of verbal languages upon these great lands of Greenland, and so forth unto the seas of Spain, we are tributed to the Great Mayans from other collectable lands that create intensity of colors from that of the feathers of a peacock. So forth give the wisomous powers to the greater lands of the United Nations, and Tattered edges to Mongolia, and thrusts upon the greatness of a foreign Pakistanian dictatorship like government, giving freedom throughout the congested island ships, found upon Mexico City. But throughout these tribunal historical times of Dinosauric behaviors caught up upon, give reasonable proof that Pirates, are imaginary, in terms of non cyberical behaviors, that create the Communist Manifesto. Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah! DOWN WITH ANARCHY!!
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He's hopeless...


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Aye

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Yesh
theoristical
"nonsencutical"
imaginine
wisomous
cyberical

Interesting english words you have there.
I think your parents ate too much of the brown acid at wood-stock mate.

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No. They ate no brown acid. And what is wood-stock? Some Australian wood cutting business. I'm in Japan mate.

Quote: "He's hopeless..."

That's how I felt about you when you first started POPR...

Quote: "Aye"

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pfft, erm yes, its an australian wood cutting business, lmao.

I think you have an acute case of verbal diarrhea.

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I've never heard of it, mainly because I'm not near Australian. Though I'd like to visit sometime, for the diving.

I don't think verbal diarrhea is possible. And why would you put a smilely face by it. That's sick, but it obviously seems to make you happy.
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Quote: "current gen graphics which are horrible"


I beg to differ. I can play games like Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards, DOOM, Kings Quest, Rainbow Six, (all pre 2000) and be happy with their graphics. There's nothing wrong with the current gen graphics, they're just not quite as good. by no stretch of the imagination are they terrible.

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Quote: "Do you want to be called a Chav again?"


Coming from someone who aparently doesn't know the meaning of the word, obviously using it because it's his new buzz word ... I'd say the chances of you using it baring my own wants is quite high.

Perhaps we should start you off with the easier insults though that you might be able to grasp, like "Trolling Retard"

I'm sure you fully understand that one, if now we'll have to go back over your a..b..c's so you can catch up witht he rest of the class.

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Don't worry guys, it's poor SSS trying to be funny again. Let's ignore him and hopefully he'll go away.

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Quote: "I'm not near Australian."


do you even think when you type?

Quote: "And what is wood-stock?"


I severely hope you're just kidding...

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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 23:27
Quote: "I beg to differ. I can play games like Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards, DOOM, Kings Quest, Rainbow Six, (all pre 2000) and be happy with their graphics. There's nothing wrong with the current gen graphics, they're just not quite as good. by no stretch of the imagination are they terrible.
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have you noticed that the standards have gone down recently?
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How many PC-CD games have you seen in Game or EB that also support Linux as well as Windows?
Yet you see games showing Mac and PC-CD on them. (mainly blizzards lol)"


Because the publishers are a bunch of idiots?
I suppose it can mean as in for a certain type of PC.
But in the end, the term is definitely misused.

Quote: "have you noticed that the standards have gone down recently?"


Blame that on the Nintendo WII and the DS.

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im not blaming anybody
Quote: "Blame that on the Nintendo WII and the DS."
and im not trying to promote fanboys either i was merely saying that the current gen standard of graphics seems to be lower than it was before the next gen consoles.
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Dead God SSS...Makes some sense boy...Your posts look like you threw in a bunch of complicated words trying to make you look smart and philosophical... As people are referring to you as Drew...please don't say you're the guy who went under the name Drew who basically insulted me for no reason and then argued with me and who loved the Navy Seals when my username was Musashi...Because if you are, looks like you redeemed yourself and now you're beginning to screw up your reputation again, my advice is to stop while you're ahead- if you're like every other person who goes too far, you'll completely ignore the idea of 'stop while you're ahead' with some stupid defensive remark - if you don't and learn from your mistakes, then you're a good man.

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Quote: "Blame that on the Nintendo WII and the DS."


No he has a point, and it has nothing to do with other platforms really. Point of fact is that developers are getting too reliant on the speed of which the PC hardware evolves.

Just look at TGC working on X10 engines for their premier products when there's really no market rather than concentrating on their X9 engine that will be dominant for the next 2-3years.

By all means they should upgrade the engine to Shader-only cards, because by now a good majority of people have these cards to keep playing retail games; but no need to do something just to have what boils down to boasting rights.

Microsoft themselves aren't even pushing DX10 yet, because it isn't even finished.

I've played two games recently that I honestly believe are key to this argument.

Space Force, and Pirates of the Caribbean 3.
Space Force uses shaders without any real need, and a horrible engine forces those with low-end cards (i.e. GeForce 5200/6200 or Radeon 9200/X300) to be left out in the cold because they can't handle what is going on. These cards are the most predominant simply because current "Vista Essential" systems are sold with them.

Pirates of the Caribbean 3 is the opposite end of the scale really showing that too little shader dependancy again kills performance on the low-end but also doesn't give enough for high-end. So while the Xbox 360 version looks pretty awesome, the Windows version just looks painfully poor with quite bad framerates.

We really should still be able to play games on systems that Microsoft Performance Index at 3, (P4 2.5GHz/512MB/GF5200) without forcing people to upgrade to a Performance Index 4 system (Core2 2.0GHz/1GB/GF7600) just to run titles. Let alone run them with decent graphics.

The GeForce 7600 and Radeon X1600 cards should still be able to run roughly equal graphics to the 360, and developers should be optimising their games so they can run just as happily on lower-end system. I mean we've not really seen graphics improve much from the Xbox generation on Windows, yet we need ridiculously powerful systems just to run them.

This is what is honestly killing off the Windows/PC gaming community and reducing what people play away from Retail titles, and toward Independant titles. While this is good for those who are here to break into this, it's also bad that it is basically forcing gamers to buy a console to have decent games without spending a fortune every year.

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Quote: "Because the publishers are a bunch of idiots?"

A little article about publishers : http://www.the-underdogs.info/scratch.php

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