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entomophobiac
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Posted: 11th Jun 2007 09:04
So, I've actually got a PS3 sitting in my living room. So far, the only thing I've done on it is played a DVD movie, because it happened to be the only player that was properly connected at the time.

The rest of the time, it's just been gathering dust.

What can I actually do with it?

I borrowed and tried a couple of games that we have at work. Resistance was one of them. Truly one of the most pointless shooters I've played in a long while. I'm planning to buy another SixAxis and play it in co-op by mid-july, though. But apart from that? What is there actually I can do with the PS3 that nothing else does better?

And don't give me the BluRay talk. I couldn't care less about BluRay, given the fact that I've spent plenty of money already on a quite nifty DVD-collection. Not going back there again. Particularly not with the crappy current log of BluRay titles.
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Posted: 11th Jun 2007 09:24
You could mess with that interactive sims type thing they have, where you pay real world money for a virtual leather couch, or buy some virtual sony TV's.

As for games, well I think GRAW2 should be out this summer for PS3, that's worth looking into if your after a challenging FPS.

Why did you buy a PS3?


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Chris K
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Posted: 11th Jun 2007 09:28
I don't think Home is actually out yet.

Wait for MGS4, FFXIII and Little Big Planet.

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Posted: 11th Jun 2007 10:11 Edited at: 11th Jun 2007 10:12
As for games, you could try MotorStorm if you like physics-heavy action racers.

Quote: "
Why did you buy a PS3?"


It is a full theatre system, and a game system/computer all in one.
As for the price, an arm, leg, eye, and ear is actually worth it once you get it.

Quote: "
And don't give me the BluRay talk. I couldn't care less about BluRay, given the fact that I've spent plenty of money already on a quite nifty DVD-collection. Not going back there again. Particularly not with the crappy current log of BluRay titles."


I hate the fact that there is a Blu-Ray player in the PS3. If it weren't for that, the PS3 might actually be affordable.

Who will die first?
entomophobiac
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Posted: 11th Jun 2007 11:03
Quote: "Why did you buy a PS3?"


To be entirely honest, I didn't buy it. I'm borrowing it indefinitely, funded by work. And to be even more honest, I'd probably never pay money for it.

When it comes to titles? I'd probably play GRAW 2 on the 360, as I played the first instalment on that platform. I'm more interested in platform-specific titles. I'll honestly buy other titles for other platforms as well, as they're available.

Chances are that FFXIII will be multiplatform, depending on how much licensing money Sony can cough up, leaving me to just MGS4 basically... Little Big Planet? I can't really see that I understand the hype, honestly.

But there's bound to come SOME great titles to the PS3 eventually, if developers line up behind Sony. Not anytime soon, if I'm allowed to guess...
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Posted: 11th Jun 2007 17:04
Warhawk is pretty cool.. apart from that though just a case of wasting time until Heavenly Sword is released.

The most use my PS3 gets is when someone is using the PS2Slim and we want to play something. Was quite happy getting a US one, then patching for multi-region (which Sony seem to encourage) .. otherwise it wouldn't even be useful for that here. European release doesn't get the pathetic PS2 emulator.

Only real plus-side I've found is it doesn't sound like my original 360, before sending it back for a refit with a copper-pipe water cooling system. I like my consoles to be quieter than a jet taking off .. my just be me. Had the DVD-Rom changed for the same reason.

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Posted: 11th Jun 2007 19:40
Hehe you can't just send your 360 back to MS to fix because it's too loud. 100% of the 360s are too loud

So far the PS3 has proven that cockiness can only get a company so far. Anyone with half a brain realizes that MGS4 or a variant of the franchise will appear on the 360. What's left? FFXIII? That will probably appear on the 360 as well. The Blu-Ray add-on was one of the worst Sony screwups.

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Posted: 11th Jun 2007 20:07 Edited at: 11th Jun 2007 20:23
I had a go on the PS3 version of Tiger Woods, which paled in comparison to the XBox 360. The controllers lagged, the graphics looked less sharp, and the framerate had dived by 10-20 fps. Not impressed at all. The Blu-Ray demo at Curry's was jittery, too.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Posted: 11th Jun 2007 20:21
I have a PS3 and I honestly think the graphics are a lot better than the XBOX. There is no lag in any of the games and the HD just tops it all off.
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Posted: 11th Jun 2007 20:34
Quote: "Hehe you can't just send your 360 back to MS to fix because it's too loud. 100% of the 360s are too loud"


well it was a refit, not refurbishment. it's not covered by the warrenty, so had to pay for the work done; but plus side by getting microsoft to do it rather than doing it myself is the warrenty isn't void.

Quote: "I have a PS3 and I honestly think the graphics are a lot better than the XBOX. There is no lag in any of the games and the HD just tops it all off. "


Have you run it on a HD display? It has an annoying jitter lag you get from older DirectX8/9 titles. That said tbh, I keep it in AV mode to make sure it can be moved between upstairs and downstairs if we feel we have the energy to pick it up. (god is that one hell of a heavy console )

As for the graphics, it's quite difficult to tell really. I have Call of Duty 3 for the PS3, as well felt I needed some game for it; but the demo for the Xbox 360. tbh I can't see much difference, not without being anal about the graphics.

Then you can see differences in the Shaders, lighting for example is better on the PS3; but the quality of the Shaders are better on the 360. This said, the PS3 does have sharper shadows.

Both seem to really edge ahead in different areas, but it honestly is only an edge. I'm not going to say that the games are slower as much because the first 360 releases were quite laggy at times in HD.. they're getting better now though. So no doubt the PS3 should improve in this dept. too.

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Posted: 11th Jun 2007 20:43
I have a HD Plasma and when I use the HD cable with the PS3 I dont get any jittery lag.

Maybe the 360 is just as good, but I havent seen one running on HD yet, so when I see the graphics, I can tell there is a difference.
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Posted: 11th Jun 2007 20:52 Edited at: 11th Jun 2007 20:52
Quote: ""Hehe you can't just send your 360 back to MS to fix because it's too loud. 100% of the 360s are too loud""


Many people think it's the fans but it's actually that crappy Anti-Piracy DVD drive!

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Posted: 11th Jun 2007 22:31
I have ps3 and xbox360 and a 42in 1080p plasma. I can play the ps3 at 1080p through the hdmi connection and the xbox360 at 1080i with the stock hd cable.

I have spent alot of money on this setup. And I can honestly say, xbox360 and ps3 are hard to compare graphically. It all depends on the game and who made it. In HD they both seem very good and high quality, and I dont get any lagg.

That being said, the only thing that xbox360 has over the ps3 is more game selection and better on-line. But given some more time the ps3 will have both games and on-line that is comparable to xbox360.
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Posted: 11th Jun 2007 22:44
My roomie's got a PS3. Armored Core 4 slows noticeably on our CRT in some levels.

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Posted: 11th Jun 2007 23:18
The comparisons are truly pointless, I'd say. It all comes down to the titles, and the 360 wasn't blessed with too many titles in this early stage either.

But seriously, I prefer the 360 controller any day and Xbox Live has had so much time to develop that PSN will always be at least one or two steps behind. It's unfortunate, but multiplatform titles in my library will most definitely be 360...

Besides, they're shaped as every other item on the DVD-shelf, unlike the PS3 titles

I'm trying out Call of Duty 3 and Virtua Fighter 5 later this week. We'll see how I like them. Fighting games is something I think the PS3 will have that the 360 will forever be lacking. If Tekken doesn't make its debut on the Xbox.

But graphics?

The PS3 is a developer's nightmare. This is the sole reason for any differences in any area, really. Given time, and developer patience, it might get better
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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 00:09
PS3 has lost quite a few exclusive titles. MGS4 will be out for the xbox360 and apparently the PC too, however on the ps3 apparently the cinematics are real time. But the screen shots I've seen of the actual in game screenshots on the ps3 are very poor, not at all what I was expecting from the earlier trailers.

I've also heard they are loosing the newest final fantasy game to the 360 and the PC, but I havent found any more articles that state this so I dunno if it's true.
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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 01:48
The Playstation 2 has a design released in the early stages of the year of 2001.
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Quote: "The Playstation 2 has a design released in the early stages of the year of 2001."


Playstation 2 was released in Q3-2000 :-\

Quote: "PS3 has lost quite a few exclusive titles. MGS4 will be out for the xbox360 and apparently the PC too, however on the ps3 apparently the cinematics are real time. But the screen shots I've seen of the actual in game screenshots on the ps3 are very poor, not at all what I was expecting from the earlier trailers.

I've also heard they are loosing the newest final fantasy game to the 360 and the PC, but I havent found any more articles that state this so I dunno if it's true. "


lots of rumours of titles moving to either multiplatform or away from Sony. only a few have been officially noted though.

Devil May Cry 4 for example, but MGS4 isn't confirmed.
Final Fantasy they did confirm to having a multiplatform one for both PS3 and 360, but they haven't commented on it being XIII .. they did however catagorically say that VsXIII would be PS3-only.

people are taking many comments from developers and twisting them to what they want, but fact unfortunately for Sony is unless they cut the price they'll never shift enough PS3s to dent Microsoft's market lead. Without enough units out there, not enough games will do well enough for developers to want to risk the 2-3year devtime for a single platform.

Sony have been loosing 3rd party developers left'n'right with the fact that they're charging for platform licensing just to get the SDK, and charging more for Developer Kits. This doesn't help when the Playstation 3 relies heavily on Debian Linux using OpenGL, and OpenAL for it's multimedia aspects. These are a pain to create large-scale games with on the x86 platform, but when you're throwing in an Single Core Processor that forces utilisation of the 7x ALU for everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) without OpenMP to atleast bare the main complexity of this sort of coding; and a fairly unfriendly Direct ASM system. Without the tools until very recently to help any of this development.. and those tools being extremely unstable currently.

Well it all adds up to an extremely unfriendly development platform. Hell the Unreal 3 engine was licensed for several top-end titles (including FF13) simply because they were having too many difficulties that were slowing up development time.

On the whole Sony launched too early because Microsoft forced an earlier launch than they were hoping for; but tbh they were completely unprepared for this HD-Generation. They should've been ready for a Late-2005 to Mid-2006 launch, to keep the 5year console gap alive. This was the main reason Microsoft pushed the Xbox 360 out so early, was to maintain this 5year gap. I know people complained about this, but seriously Sony had 6-nearly-7 years to develop the PS3. Why the hell should we cry over them not being prepared. They were suppose to be the big contenders, dominating the industry for almost a decade; this means they should know what gamers want by now.

They don't have a clue what gamers want, or developers. Trying to coast simply by name; which is failing. As they had proven back in 1996, the winning console isn't the most expensive; nor is it the most powerful. Why the hell they had it in their heads that the PS3 needed to be this damn "fantasitic" is beyond me.

The looks are horrible. The Technology is hemoraging them money. The Technology is killing their 3rd party developers ability to make those games that made them the "must have" platform. Their prices are forcing those they have to reconsider the platform itself. Add to this they're playing the "let's see how much of everyone else's technology we can fit under the bonnet" game.

Do they honestly believe people played on the Playstation or Playstation 2 because of the graphics? Do they believe that those same people want to be able to wave their silly controllers around to move or something, but feel detached because there is no more rumble? Do they beleive that people go on Xbox Live and pay for online games out-of-choice?

Yes, PSN needed to be improved; but Xbox Live didn't need to be copied. People would've been happy with a simple GameSpy Arcade style front to find games, and make sure the servers are fast. Worked for the PC for over a decade and everyone's happy. It just needed to be an integrated service for developers to use rather than creating their own, that encourages people to develop online play and makes it easier for those who want to get online.

They didn't need to beat Microsoft graphically, or with more cores. All they had to do was provide something that made it worthwhile upgrading from the PS2.

All in all, Microsoft can afford to play this top-trumps game. They can afford to release early, and they can afford price-cuts to make things more attractive. The fact that Microsoft released their console with an option to have a HDD and an option for a HD-Media Drive.. that was genius. Most like me are perfectly happy paying £5-10 less for a normal DVD as the quality of sound and picture is more than good enough (unless you have some ridiculous 40"+ HD-screen which seriously who has the space and money for those??). I personally have a 32" HDTV, and while sure games look better at HD.. I honestly can't tell the difference apart from slightly sharper images and slightly better HDR for the picture. The sound itself even with my good hearing is fairly un-noticable.

In all it makes sense to me to buy a cheaper console that plays my games and dvds; then add what i need later. Microsoft actually end up making more out of me doing it that way too, yet I will feel that I've spent less.

Sony have dropped the ball this generation, big time. Microsoft isn't someone to be under-estimated, and Sony thought "we've done this longer, we know what people want.. your xbox failed" ... it failed in Sony's eyes; but not in Microsofts'.
They took in what was good and bad about the console, they learnt from their developers and users. Delivering possibly the best damn console on the market, simply because it's not trying to be the best.

Nintendo as well never seemed like a threat to Sony, thinking "another GameCube.. big whoop"; but low'n'behold I don't think anyone could've predicted big-N were going to release something so crazy fun to play on. Alright so it's still a bit gimmic-y and after a while you'll play on it less'n'less, but still it's something that opened up a new market of players who won't get tired of it like those of us who are longer lasting gamers.

Sony realised mistakes in it's under-estimation in 2006 though, which was waay to late. They added lack-luster copies of what the others had in order to still trump them; but ultimately the SIXAXIS is something that is totally lame, not just compared to the Wiimote but doesn't really sit well with Sonys' normal gamers. I liked it's use in Motorstorm and the whole 6minutes of Heavenly Sword I've got to play, but realistically it falls short as a control method.

I'm probably not the only one who wants to say "WTF!" to the controller quality and those new damn "trigger" L2-R2 buttons. Sorry but they suck big time... and why the hell rubber!?! I now stick to the controller when using it for intense gaming sessions, which alright haven't really happened much but still it just feels like a monkey got ahold of a dual-shock and went to town. They still haven't revisited the issue that it's designed for bloody asian hands; I get cramp using those analog sticks too long, when the hell are they going to realise a) english speaking nations have people with non-children sized palms and b) that the analog sticks are not in the right place for people with opposible thumbs!!

As far as the console itself goes, I still hate the damn look. Honestly makes me want to chringe whenever someone sees it next to my TV. I have a nice jet-black with silver trim one, I hear there's a white one which would probably fit well with my TV; but still it's just too black and shiney... that's the bit I don't get WHY IS IT SHINEY! Makes me feel like it was created back in the 70s but they felt the world wasn't ready for this level of gaming.. then decided not to upgrade the looks. The XMB honestly is the most horrible UI i've had the pleasure of using in some time; and remember I've used Windows v1.0 before.

Oh and let's not forget the weight. My little cousin is about 3years old, he takes his PS2 everywhere... he tried to pick up my PS3 to take it upstairs like his mom told him, only the poor guy couldn't lift it. When my sister then tried she decided that I needed to help him with it. The damn machine is heavier than my freaking TV!! Which no isn't a TFT or Plasma it's a regular old CRT!

Alright well this is now a ridiculously long post, but frankly I started the rant and really needed to finish it.

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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 03:16
Quote: "Alright well this is now a ridiculously long post, but frankly I started the rant and really needed to finish it."

Yes, Yes. Get all your Microsoft hate out.

But based on the large proportions of this post, it is very long, and kind of boring. But I agree with most you say. Nice job, Chav.
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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 03:24 Edited at: 12th Jun 2007 03:25
Oh.

My.

Lord.

I agree with it but...

In less words. =/

And man is SSS getting banned yet? He is being stupid again. Maybe his voice cracked. And add the fact that Microsoft hate was not the point of the post...

Time is ticking away.
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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 03:56 Edited at: 12th Jun 2007 05:12
I understand. Now stop being a perfectionist.
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You could send it to me

lol kidding (unless you want to) you should by some games wait for Killzone 2 to come out
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Quote: "And man is SSS getting banned yet? He is being stupid again."


Someone needs to atleast newbie slap his ass.
I'm still trying to figure out why he's taken one of Nicks old nicknames.. everytime I see it, think that he's posted but it's just this cretin from the states again.

Quote: "Nice job, Chav."


That word might not mean anything to you, but it does to me.
If I were you, I'd start considering your responses to posts more carefully cause you really don't want to tick me off more than you have with that one comment alone.

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I thought the MGS4 for the 360 and the PC was confirmed too, i saw it with big letters on the cover of a gaming magazine.

Then again I can never be sure, but I definately remember an article saying that the ps3 would play cinematics for MSG in real time, because it can, where as the other versions were rendered. Could be complete rubbish though I suppose.

As for the final fantasy, I thought it wouldnt be the next one, but i wasnt so sure so I just said the newest It does look brilliant however, definately gonna get that one.
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Ok, I own all 3 next gen consoles, but that's mainly because I'm a Videogame enthusiast. It's quiet tiring having to read some sort of arguement everytime somebody has something to say about the PS3, Xbox360 or WII. Every single one of the consoles has it's disadvantages and advantages. At the end it's all up to personal reference. Wasn't there a next gen vs next gen thread already ? Thought people released some steam over there. But I guess this is an issue that will never end. There are always people that have to troll. Wow...the PS3 is to heavy to be carried by an 3 year old. That's a major issue. Oh..shouldn't it be actually be light so it can be carried around by small Asian people like me...Or maybe the European\US version is just heavier.Well nevermind.
I enjoy playing games on all the 3 consoles. All of the 3 have their own flaire. Although I have the feeling that the 360 is the most western if it comes to games. However it's great that MS is putting some effort in creating a balanced game line up. I don't think the PS3 will do bad during this round, maybe they won't turn out number one. But I also think that there are no reasons for apocalyptic prophecies if it comes to the future of the PS3.
At the end I'm just looking forward to the great games that will be released for either console.
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Quote: "Someone needs to atleast newbie slap his ass."

Never! That's nasty. Why would anyone want to slap that particular area of my body parts. Sicko Raven.

Quote: "That word might not mean anything to you, but it does to me.
If I were you, I'd start considering your responses to posts more carefully cause you really don't want to tick me off more than you have with that one comment alone."

I'm very sorry, but your avatar pressures me to do so.
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Quote: "I don't think the PS3 will do bad during this round, maybe they won't turn out number one. But I also think that there are no reasons for apocalyptic prophecies if it comes to the future of the PS3.
At the end I'm just looking forward to the great games that will be released for either console"


Well this is one of the major issues with the US/EU versions of the console, we have sod all games. There are only 2 right now that aren't on other formats, cheaper with active online players.

Until these PS3 exclusives start appearing, it's going to be tough wanting to use it tbh. I mean I certainly didn't get mine for BluRay (which according to my Ex, most returns atm are about it failing) .. I only own one BR disc, and I got that as a present.
I find it difficult to justify £25 for HD-DVD, which is more common in my areas especially at BlockBuster; let alone £30 for BR.
I'm still happy to get SD-DVD for £10-15.

I think if Sony are to try to recoup their losses, then they need to get more people wanting to play on the Playstation 3. Their confusing advert campaign was to say the least a total failiar.
The US ones had my girlfriend a little scared, and the UK ones made absolutely no sense. There were no gameplay shots like the Xbox 360 or Wii adverts. The ones for the Xbox 360 were extremely clever too..

Like the one at christmas where they were trying to show off that they do now have a big library of games, and they had lots of titles flying past to build-up a 360. Genius, it actually had people talking about it as one of their favourite adverts.
Same with the gameplay of Ghost Recon Advance Warrior where they're playing over Live with voice, and all you hear is someone eating chrisps; but it scares the team until they realise that it wasn't footsteps. Classic.

I mean with the Microsoft advert campaign it showed off not only what the console was capable of, but also gave it a bit of a lighter side. The Playstation 3 comes across as too well full of itself.. as such most who weren't Sony fanboys just didn't bother.

Advertising is a key part to shifting hardware and software, but not the only part. It is quite weird how Microsoft who are normally terrible at both advertising have really done a campaign that people liked.

Sony have put so much of their budget in to the Playstation 3, firmly believing that their Playstation 2 following would automatically move to HD-Generation hardware. Unfortunately advertising, and cost really prevent this. The lack of recognisable software at launch didn't help, more over is the fact that past this true boast of it being the ultimate machine graphically.. it has yet to produce anything that really lives up to their claims. Multiplatform games, quite unchallengingly looked better on the Xbox 360 to the Playstation 3. Motorstorm is about the only title on the console that looks HD-Generation, but wasn't Resistance built up to be that? Unfortunately though next to titles like Gears of War, Rainbow Six Vegas and Condemned. It really did feel quite lack luster gameplay and graphically.

I do want Sony to keep going, really I do because console rivalry is key to keeping this industry alive and pushing the bounderies.
If it was just Wii vs Xbox 360, then the games would become extremely lax. We need this whole Nintendo Vs Sega rivalry thing going on no matter who the actual top-dogs are.

Question is, while no doubt Sony will begin to make the Playstation 3 probably about as successful as the old Xbox; I really don't see it matching up without some monster exclusives, even then as we saw with the original Xbox and GameCube .. a few great titles don't sell enough platforms to really give that market dominance that Sony desperately need. Right now their game dept. is hemeraging money all over the place. Unless Sony can pull out something magnificent even if they are as successful as previous generation Xbox and GameCube, it could be that their losses might force the board to very carefully look at their future in the home console market.

On the flipside, their Playstation Portable system is doing quite well. Alright so it'll never seriously compete with Nintendo, but they're not loosing money in that sector; and old PS2 developers find it very easy to move to the platform given they're fairly similar to develop for.

Honestly, I see the Sony Playstation becomming the next Dreamcast; maybe Saturn. Even if they survive the HD-Generation, they will leave it in a very weak position. Unless they play to the strengths that made the Playstation 2 such a must-have console .. the Playstation 3's tale will be fairly sad throughout it's next 4-5year lifespan. Sony reckon the console is capable of lasting a decade of gaming, but I firmly believe it'll be lucky to survive 3.

Most will probably say "it's too early to tell", but seriously someone has to take their thumb outta their ass and do something about the Playstation 3 line-up before it's too late.

After all, Sony bet the house on this console. They're the only ones who threw in everything they have, so they have everything to loose.. neither of the others have anything to loose.

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No one has enough time to read all that mate. Stop the length, we want the shorter version.
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Quote: "So far the PS3 has proven that cockiness can only get a company so far. "


Tada!!! Thank you, someone finally understands what i've been saying since the first preview.

Quote: "but seriously Sony had 6-nearly-7 years to develop the PS3. Why the hell should we cry over them not being prepared. They were suppose to be the big contenders, dominating the industry for almost a decade; this means they should know what gamers want by now.

They don't have a clue what gamers want, or developers. Trying to coast simply by name; which is failing. As they had proven back in 1996, the winning console isn't the most expensive; nor is it the most powerful. Why the hell they had it in their heads that the PS3 needed to be this damn "fantasitic" is beyond me.
"


Not to put down just sony, but they are the only ones f***ing up right now. We have a 360 and its great and a wii as well, not one problem with them. Sony needs to get their act together with hardware and software dev and get some good titles out there or they are done for. I've heard nasty rumours of sony talking about ps4 and I know its just a rumour but it makes me want to slap them and say "what are you doing?".

Quote: "They didn't need to beat Microsoft graphically, or with more cores. All they had to do was provide something that made it worthwhile upgrading from the PS2.
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Plain and simple, raven put it into great words. It should be fun, sony and microsoft *not so much ms* has forgotten that games SHOULD BE FUN TO PLAY AND DEVELOP. Anyone who has a wii tell me, are you thinking about hd specs when you're waving around the room? I'm not, i'm thinking how much fun i'm having and how natural it feels to play games with the wiimote.

Quote: "I'm probably not the only one who wants to say "WTF!" to the controller quality and those new damn "trigger" L2-R2 buttons. Sorry but they suck big time... and why the hell rubber!?!"


Once more, the dumb awards to sony this generation. Losing their rumble, ripping motion from big-n? Come on guys, where are the cool developers who made ps1 and two?

Quote: "No one has enough time to read all that mate. Stop the length, we want the shorter version."


I've got plenty, are you really just that impaitent to read raven's posts? He usually has something good to say in his posts, just like the majority of user's that do write longer posts. Now throughout the thread, i saw you were badgering him, don't tick people off sss, its really not needed. We would like to keep this a nice community huh?

Alright, I think i'll put in my input now.

Based off of what i've seen,heard, and read the wii and 360 are battling for top position and the ps3 is struggling for third. What happened to slot two you ask, i'll tell you. It was taken away from sony, they don't derserve ranking right now, i am very dissapointed with them and aggravated and insulted that they would make as bold a stand as charging so much for giving so little to their loyal community. They have lost a supporter, they won me over with the ps2, and they killed me with the ps3. BIG-N! I've missed you for the time i lost with you, lets you, ms,and I go have a picnic.

good night all!!!
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@SSS - Slapped you for the thirtieth time, for 30 days. Next time keep your insults to yourself. I'm getting sick and tired of your junk posts and your numerous jabs at people for no reason. I am an inch from petitioning Rich for you to become familiar with barbie.com once again (although who knows, maybe you prefer that site?).

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I really think it's much too much early to predict that the PS3 will go the Dreamcast\Saturn way. Yes agreed a good line up of launch titles is important to push console sales. Personally I think the WII had the best launch up titles this time around.
Quote: "Not to put down just sony, but they are the only ones f***ing up right now. We have a 360 and its great and a wii as well, not one problem with them. Sony needs to get their act together with hardware and software dev and get some good titles out there or they are done for. I've heard nasty rumours of sony talking about ps4 and I know its just a rumour but it makes me want to slap them and say "what are you doing?"."

But it wasn't different for the PS2. I remember waiting a year until the first good titles started to show up, which was about the time of the US launch. And please, let's not pretend that everything is fine with the other consoles. One thing which comes immediatly to my mind is the 360s core issues, which I and 3 of my friends experienced first hand. The WII had it's wrist strap issue, eventhough I was never able to reproduce a flying WIImote.
Eventhough I don't think the strap thing was a big issue at all, it's just that people tend to dramatice.

Personally I enjoy all 3 consoles (whenever I have the time to do so) and can't say that I'm disappointed in any of them. At the moment I don't want to make any guesses to what will happen to the PS3. The console has been out for mere months.
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Quote: "The WII had it's wrist strap issue, eventhough I was never able to reproduce a flying WIImote.
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I agree with you on the rest of your post, but come on, most of those people were just letting the wiimote fling out of their hands. That is their own fault and nintendo didn't have to do what they did, cost them a bit i'm sure. It is common to know that if something heavier than what is supporting it is flung around too much, it will eventually break. Suffice to say, i'm not too pleased with the idiots that managed to break a user-friendly control mechanic.

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Quote: "I agree with you on the rest of your post, but come on, most of those people were just letting the wiimote fling out of their hands. That is their own fault and nintendo didn't have to do what they did, cost them a bit i'm sure. It is common to know that if something heavier than what is supporting it is flung around too much, it will eventually break. Suffice to say, i'm not too pleased with the idiots that managed to break a user-friendly control mechanic."


Actually what I firmly believe was happening were people were being waaay to overly rambunctious with the controller without the strap on because as those who've used a Wii will know; it can get irritating with most games being multiplayer you're constantly swapping remotes. What's possibly more weird if in order to secure the nunchuck you have to unwrap the saftey cord, wrap it around the nunchuck safety thing then retie. What's more annoying about that is are you suppose to do this everytime you need the nunchuck? simply cause it's impractical, and keeping the nunchuck attached is even more impractical; as quite often you have to disconnect it.

So I see most of this as "I've been a dumbass, but it's your fault Nintendo becuase... erm... your wrist straps" incident more than anything else.

I've tried to not only intentionally break the strap, and waste a non-functioning Wiimote we had (just kinda stopped accepting bluetooth for some reason). What I found was that cord is fairly tough to break either attached to your wrist or actually on the controller. In-fact it took using the controller and pulling extremely hard to get it to finally frey, think it took about a minute of tugging in order for it finally to snap. So that little bit of elastic breaking isn't very likely. So unless these people can move their arms with ridiculous amounts of power, just ain't gonna happen and certainly as hell not instantly.

Second thing being tested was how damaging the Wiimote could be.
First test was an underarm throw through one of those old TVs my dad left here and swears he'll fix "someday".. well the Wiimote bounced off. Seriously, it's not really designed to penetrate anything (no matter what WarioWare tells you). Best I got was a crack. Next tried some glass, well it worked every 1/3 tries. Often would be the case where it'd harmlessly bounce off.

So wanted to see if it'd dent my wall.. (had a really boring afternoon that day) probably should explain that the walls here are 1970s bricks. So about 8" deep solid cement(brick) walls; no chance it'd go through, but worth finding out if the contoller could survive such an encounter. Surprisingly the worst that happened was a crack on the controller to. So theoretically if you were quite a bit stronger than I am (which I can bench approx. 270lbs), then you're not really going see anyone especially most pencil pushing gamers be able to do much damage with the controller past perhaps a concussion.

In all, I never saw the so-called issues with the Wii; and while Nintendo replaced the straps to something tougher, can't really see what they've done as much more than just idiot proofing. We also only have their word that the current consoles have better straps.. honestly I can't tell the difference between both original and current. I think Nintendo just said "yeah we fixed it" to see i they got any more "issues" with it. Just a shame you can't cure retarditus with an SKU

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Quote: "Every single one of the consoles has it's disadvantages and advantages."


This is just it, isn't it?

It used to be like this. The Xbox had more western-world titles whereas the PS2 had plenty more titles overall and a lot of very interesting exclusive ones are released even to this day.

But in the Next-Gen war?

The Xbox360 has a great controller. In my opinion the best standard controller you can get at the moment. It also has Xbox Live, which is a superb service. And a nice range of titles. Most of them multiplatform, mind you, but some of them are quite nice exclusives. There's something for everyone.

The Wii has its Wiimote. I think it'll have some great titles eventually, when people quit applying standardized gaming to the controller instead of thinking how to best use the controller on its own and apply it to "new" ways of thinking.

What does the PS3 have? BluRay?

Nah... Right now, it's nothing, if you ask me. What happened to the days when you actually USED all consoles you had? ...
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Quote: "Nah... Right now, it's nothing, if you ask me. What happened to the days when you actually USED all consoles you had? ... "


I think this is the ironic part of this.
Still play my Xbox games on my Xbox 360, and my GameCube games on my Wii.

Wish I could say I still played my PS2 games on the PS3, but there's only a small selection that works; and if I had an EU PS3 they wouldn't even work as they've disabled the PS1/2 emulators.

PS2 gaming is still a very big part of my gaming life, not out of wanting it to be - no in-fact i've always hated Sony. More of it is out of the sheer number of titles that were exclusive to the console. Forced it to be a must-have.

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Why do you need to remove the Nunchuk to give the controller to someone else? All you need to do is slide the plastic down the strap, give it to the other person, who slides it back up. End of. What's hard about that?

Does anyone else find that the 360 sticks don't centre properly? They haven't in any of the demo units I've used and felt weak.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Quote: "Why do you need to remove the Nunchuk to give the controller to someone else? All you need to do is slide the plastic down the strap, give it to the other person, who slides it back up. End of. What's hard about that?"


Not pluging in the nunchuck, but attaching the safety strafe to it.
The bit you're suppose to attach the strap to, is too small for the actual strap; which leaves the thinner bit that connects to the Wiimote itself.

As such it's just pointless bothering to attach the nunchuck to the safety strap despite all the warnings you get, because either you'll have it dangling when a game tells you that you can't use it (some refuse to continue until it's disconnected) or you have to keep taking off the safety strap from the actual controller just to attach and detach the nunchuck for safe use.

Given all of the warnings on the games, you would've though they'd have thought about this a little longer and realises the huge issue.

Quote: "Does anyone else find that the 360 sticks don't centre properly? They haven't in any of the demo units I've used and felt weak."


Last time I used an Xbox 360 Demo Unit was back in 2005. I've had my 360 controller for almost as long and it still feels tight as a drum. No issues with the controllers I got with my console either.. they have a habit of not precisely centering on PC titles that don't have deadzones or are too sensitive. With 25% deadzone though, it works a treat.

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I think that each counsle is good in it's own way

Xbox 360
- real good online play
- nice games
- good graphics
- best controllers

Wii
- Fun game play
- games with "you" in them
- down loadable self made games

PS3
- INCREDIBLE graphics
- Not just a counsle sorta like a PC/DVD/ONLINE/PS1/PS2/PS3
- Very good games
- Follow up titles (god of war, killzone 2, NBA)

I still like the PS3 best

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How is the PS3 a PC?

Where are the downloadable self-made games for Wii?

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Haha, the PS3 being made out to be a PC? You should crack the top off a Xbox and look inside, you will find a motherboard and PC hardware
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Quote: "INCREDIBLE graphics
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I cant visibly see a anything different between xbox360 and ps3.
One thing that I noticed when playing nhl on the ps3 is the graphics are worse then the original xbox wich turned me off. But still, most games on it are pretty good.

I like my sig.
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All consoles have a motherboard

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Quote: "Haha, the PS3 being made out to be a PC? You should crack the top off a Xbox and look inside, you will find a motherboard and PC hardware "


Actually you won't. Although the design still holds some roots in standard desktop design being everything is controlled via a Southbridge rather than via the BIOS as in previous Playstation incarnations; the PS3 itself is more like a desktop than the 360 ever will be.

PS3 - Seperate Processors, Southbridge, has a Northbridge, seperated Memory for each processor, etc. Run Linux LiveDistro (Debian)

360 - Southbridge, GPU and APU same unit; Unified memory design, no Northbridge but BIOS system control via burnt-in OS. System updates are possible but only with a HDD, where the OS will check to see if something is available on the HDD prior to loading internally. This is why you get a long boot time when you have the HDD attached. Same goes for games and patches.

Realistically the design of the 360 is quite far from the design of a regular desktop, and it's not really very good at multi-tasking. While yes you can play music, and have the dashboard in the background.. the only reason this doesn't cut into games is because Thread 0 Core 0 reserved for OS, Multimedia playback utilises a specific thread on the Southbridge (by-passes the cpu entirely)

Internally the Xbox 360 has moved more towards a pure gaming console, where-as the Playstation 3 has moved towards a multimedia PC. In-fact Sony have been trying to do this for some time as their Playstation 2 was suppose to end up with PC capabilities; only due to an EU ruling they dropped the project except for educational institues who wanted the Linux kit they sold.

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Yeah, but the Xbox is the most like a PC. I haven't looked my self, but my friend has, and he said its just a PC in a box, which doesn't surprise me being Microsoft made the xbox.
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"Haha, the PS3 being made out to be a PC? You should crack the top off a Xbox and look inside, you will find a motherboard and PC hardware"

Terra Soft has released Yellow Dog Linux for the PS 3. Key boards and mice are easy to find as well. So yes the PS 3 can be used as a computer. I am not sure about the Xbox 360.
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Yes I know about the PS3 Linux. However, you can do that with any modded console--- but really what's the point? Is anyone actually doing this and maintaining their business on their PS3? Probably not.

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don't think it's a case of maintaining business' currently on the PS3, but Sony do hold out the hope that this might be the case.

if it does get picked up as a business computer solution, it might actually stop it from it's current market stagnation; also will help with the original dream Sony had back with the PS2 for it to replace the PC.

alright so i doubt it'll happen, but Sony do dream of it.

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Quote: "well it was a refit, not refurbishment. it's not covered by the warrenty, so had to pay for the work done; but plus side by getting microsoft to do it rather than doing it myself is the warrenty isn't void."


You can do that?? How?

Your signature has been erased by a mod because it's larger than 600x120....
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Lot's more you can do to the systems with hacks....

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Quote: "You can do that?? How?"


Contact xbox tech support about it. This said it will cost you not only the postage and packing, but also £80 for labour.
It is a good way to make sure your xbox is fixed to prevent RCoD, as most of the time it's a Southbridge error when updating; as it invalidates your machine serial. Common in 1st or 2nd release hardware, but fixed in 3rd+ release.

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