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Ernst Rolf
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Posted: 11th Jun 2007 23:21
I've got a problem here in that my computer refuses to start (explorer crashes on startup) and thus I figured that I should review the registry using the fail-safe mode (or whatever it might now be called in the english community )

I've got an Asus P5B motherboard... however I can't make out how to enter this mode.
So, if anybody knows how, please tell me (kind of urgent as my computer won't work at all currently).
Thanks for replies

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Posted: 11th Jun 2007 23:59
I think holding down F5 on bootup does it. Holding down F8 should give you a menu to choose what mode to boot in.
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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 00:01
Its F8 to get the Windows XP boot screen. Of course, if your mobo also uses F8 to pick a boot device then you'll have to time your button press very accurately!

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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 00:20
F5 displays some additional info before booting (irrelevant info for this cause, for that matter).
F8 allows for choosing what device to boot from, however, it doesn't let you choose any boot-mode (from what I've been able to make out anyways? It's a pretty new computer and I'm not quite used to theese aspects of it yet )

Quote: "Of course, if your mobo also uses F8 to pick a boot device then you'll have to time your button press very accurately!
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Could you develop a bit further on that; I didn't quite get it?
(Could be due to the fact that it's pretty late to, but still )

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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 15:53
Hold down the Control key during boot instead of F8. It does the same thing except it doesn't clash with other BIOS facilities, or fill the keyboard buffer either.

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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 16:15
@IanM: Damn chagrinning; the controlkey does nothing on boot on my comp

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Ernst Rolf
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Posted: 13th Jun 2007 17:10
Allright, anybody have the slightest idea?

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Posted: 13th Jun 2007 20:46 Edited at: 13th Jun 2007 20:48
Yes, f8 on your motherboard chooses which device to boot from. (CD or HDD, etc) But f8 when windows begins to boot will bring up the menu to choose safe-mode.

What you need to do is start pressing f8 right *after* choosing the boot device.

If you're desparate, hard-shutting down during bootup will cause the computer to ask you if you want to enter safe mode, when you boot the second time. But this method can lead to hardware damage

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Posted: 13th Jun 2007 23:57
Allright, thanks Jerico2day; it worked

Now however, it turns out that explorer (explorer.exe) fails in safe-mode, and I don't really know how to debug it...
Perhaps somebody knows what could be wrong, has experienced something similiar before, or the like?

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Thanks for the replies guys.

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Posted: 14th Jun 2007 08:45
wow sounds like ur screwed over good to me... esp with a new computer.

after it crashes try ctrl+alt+delete to open ur task manager and then go File>new task>explorer and try to restart it... if it crashes again then i have no idea...

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Posted: 14th Jun 2007 13:13
Well, that was about the first thing I thought of; sometimes explorer starts up (a bit further), fails to complete and thus hangs again. Most of the time, however, Windows hangs completely upon hitting the [start task] button from the run-dialogue.

Apparently, it (explorer) works in safe-mode though, so I would guess that it's some external component that's messing <@_@>

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Posted: 14th Jun 2007 20:53
Well, if you can get it into safe mode, type "sfc /scannow" into the run dialog. It will check all of your system files to make sure they are not corrupted. You'll need your original windows disk to run it.
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Posted: 14th Jun 2007 21:39
what are the circumstances behind this error. What's changed in your system that made this happen. Is this a new computer? Did you build it, did you buy it used? We need more info

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Posted: 14th Jun 2007 23:33
Well.... circumstances; the system had been complaining about a missing dll-file for some days ('trqkeimo.dll'), on which no hits occur when searched for on google, etc.
The next thing that happens is that the comp refuses to start explorer, as previously described.

Today, I however managed to use System Restore to get the settings back to the day before everything screwed up.
However, upon restarting the computer thereafter, things are now even worse and apparently beyond system restore's ressurective capabilities.

The error however, tends to be slightly different now; windows is said to not verified to be activated (because I previously ran system restore; that always happens after that) and you have to validate it. However, the validation form never appears, but instead the system logs out after about a minute (of doing nothing).
Thus, the safe-mode can no longer be accessed wither (since Windows isn't activated).
Just recently, I also tried the Recovery Console, which haven't done me any good.... (fixboot didn't do a thing and I'm not sure if I'm willing to risk running fixmbr; it seems from it's description that it might screw things up even worse).

Well, that's sort of about it.

(And yes, the computer's about 2 months old, cost about 3000$ and was bought as ... what you know would call it in english; it haven't had any earlier user or so anyways, allthough I bought it mounted).

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Posted: 15th Jun 2007 00:20
[Mods could perhaps move this to the bottom of my other thread; as my computer as said doesn't work´and I'll have to leave here pretty soon, I can't wait for my previous post to be approved and then edit it.]

It should also be added that crss.exe and winlogon seems to be up to something out of the ordinary, as when checked by the task manager, theese processes use quite a lot more cpu than they usually do.
Also, I keep on receiving error messages about floppy drives that doesn't even exist.

Any help appreciated.

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Quote: "And yes, the computer's about 2 months old, cost about 3000$ and was bought as ... what you know would call it in english; it haven't had any earlier user or so anyways, allthough I bought it mounted"


Just cuz it's new doesn't mean odd things don't happen. I wouldn't blame it on the computer. Could be just a crash corrupted some files. Could be a virus. Could be a failing hdd.

I'd back up any files you need if possible and reinstall windows clean. Be sure to have an antivirus installed before restoring your backed up files.

If you need access to your files, you can try a linux bootdisc, or installing your hdd on a second computer, making sure an av is installed on it and up to date.

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Posted: 15th Jun 2007 10:24
Well... not really blaming the computer, just a bit chagrinning regarding the fact that my old comp went on for four years without anything like this happening.

About reinstalling windows; I really don't want to have to reformat; I'm using this computer for composing and hence, it has loads of sound files, scores, settings etc. that I can't bear to loose.
Also, several of these (sounds as well as whole programs) have been downloaded from the strangest corners of the world, including for instance an utility which took me days of chansing about asian links ( )
So, obviously, I don't want to redo all that; I'm not even sure whether I'd even succeed

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Posted: 18th Jun 2007 16:45
Quote: "Also, several of these (sounds as well as whole programs) have been downloaded from the strangest corners of the world"


That's a good way to get a virus. If you're so opposed to formatting, you could put a fresh hard drive in and install windows on that. Be sure to get some good virus scanning software before plugging in the original hard drive though.
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Posted: 18th Jun 2007 17:41
You could try installing a Registry cleaner, maybe CCleaner, or Spybot Search & Destroy.

If you can, run them in Safe Mode (although, I don't think you can edit the registry in safe mode, can you?).

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Posted: 20th Jun 2007 14:31
you could always put the hard drive in another PC
and copy all your files over and then re-install

and use a good anti-virus to make sure it doesn't get re-infected

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2007 16:52
I can't start the computer in any way any longer, so no, I can't edit the registry or install any checking applications.
Also, I don't have access to any SATA-capable computer, and hence can't just move the harddrive and try to fix it in that way.
About the downloads I mentioned, they were legal, so I doubt that they should need to carry viruses... also, malware aren't derectly due to be spread through .wav files, right? '

I'm thinking about trying to move everything I can from the C-drive to my D-drive to then format and reinstall Windows on C using the Recovery console....
I've just come back from a week in Austria though, so it might take a while

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2007 18:12
This seems complicated... 'copy' can apparently only take one file at a time; anybody know whether it's even possible to copy whole directories using the Recovery console (winxp)?
I can't find any info on it

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2007 18:21
You can try XCopy.

A better alternative might be to download DSL as Jerico2day suggested, then that way you can simply boot from a thumb drive / CD, and you get a full-on graphical OS to copy all your files across

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2007 18:39
just ignore the error message and use windows system restore
Accessories>system tools> system restore then go to before the problem started (worked for me once)

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boot a linux live cd, back up your data to a usb hdd or flashdrive, format the hard disk, reinstall windows. live cd's can be verry handy!

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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 21:35
Yeah, well, xcopy won't work in the Recovery console
I tried to download dsl, and it seems that I just wasted a cd....
It complain's about not being able to initiate the 'knoppix system', allthough the 50,8 Mb that is on the disk contains about 49,8 Mb made out of a file called 'KNOPPIX' (no extension, it seems).

What the heck's up with this now?
(My belief would be that the knoppix file needs an extension, but there's quite a few to choose from...)

Answers appreciated

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Posted: 25th Jun 2007 12:07
Allright, thanks for the replies.
Nobody needs to mind this any longer now, as it seems to be finally fixed (managed to backup and reinstall Windows).

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