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Geek Culture / Film Games: Am i the only the only one that can't stand them????

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Sun God
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Posted: 13th Jun 2007 14:57
I have been dwelling on this thought for a very long time now and i have come to the conclusion that every game which is based on a film seems to be the worst game i have ever seen!!

For example, Star Wars.
Every game which has come out based on the film has been absolutely terrible. Not just the graphics and the sound but the gameplay!! Its absolutely terrible!!

Am I the only Person that thinks this?

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Posted: 13th Jun 2007 15:00
A lot of people argue that the games can never get the fee... blah blah i can't be arsed.

KOTOR was good, although it wasn't based around any of the films.

Its a known fact however, that movie licenced games and game licenced movies are doomed to suck immensly


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Posted: 13th Jun 2007 15:01
NO! I disagree! Star Wars games rock! Some good star wars games include, Battlefront etc.

Although, many other film games suck!

Also, Lord of the Rings games were great, eg. the return of the king and the two towers for PS 2 were awesome!

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Posted: 13th Jun 2007 15:03
Battlefront isn't based on the film!!

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no i totally agree film games are never any good...especially the ones based on crap films

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If you dislike any game, you should be ashamed to call yourself a gamer

I can't remember one movie based game I didn't like, I think the rest of you are too fussy and stubborn
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Posted: 13th Jun 2007 15:27
Star wars: Empire at War, not including the expansion, is based on the film. I thought it was pretty darn good.


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Posted: 13th Jun 2007 15:29 Edited at: 13th Jun 2007 15:45
I think there are many nice Star Wars games especialy those made in DBP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RfSd283obc

and DGDK

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-6IfT_SMYpA

most other film tie in games sux though,

Atari 2600 E.T. still holds the Guiness World record for worst game ever i belive there are 2.5 million copies burried in a Mexican desert with concret poured on top so it can never get out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VakiwDmJ-lI&mode=related&search=

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Quote: "KOTOR was good, although it wasn't based around any of the films."

Yep.KOTOR was a great game.As soon as old George Lucas realized people wanted more he had KOTOR 2 made.While it was a great game IMO it wasn't nearly as good as the first.Apparantly cutting the budget and the time taken to make a game by about half will cut down on the quality of the game.If George spent nearly as much time worrying about making his games half as good as his movies (at least the first three...the real movies...but that is a whole other can of worms) we would have a variety of excellent titles for Star Wars.
Quote: "NO! I disagree! Star Wars games rock! Some good star wars games include, Battlefront etc."

Those are not movie based games.those are games based on a movie franchise.There's a difference there.
Quote: "If you dislike any game, you should be ashamed to call yourself a gamer

I can't remember one movie based game I didn't like, I think the rest of you are too fussy and stubborn "


Soome games do suck.There is no way that you can expect us to believe that you think every game ever made was good.
And speaking of games that suck...movie based games definitely fall into that catagory.

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I don't care, Lego Star Wars was by far the best "film" game ever. Combines two of the greatest things. If it had a scaletrix option coupled with some sort of football effort and backdrops of birds in bikinis then it would be the greatest ever. And it came with a can of beer. Made from Lego...

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Posted: 13th Jun 2007 15:44
the tron games were good as well.

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Posted: 13th Jun 2007 15:56
I think you might be mistaking one of the games for all of them, no harm done, i guess you were not around then.

my favorite was discs of tron.



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Lego Star Wars was fun but it had nothing to do with the movies.It was Legos that made it fun.
The Tron games were pretty cool.

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Posted: 13th Jun 2007 16:01
Quote: "Lego Star Wars was fun but it had nothing to do with the movies."

The Lego games followed the films though :S

I did actually like them though.


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Posted: 13th Jun 2007 16:18
Maybe not these days, but back in the day, maybe 15 years ago, well film licences were often the cream of the crop!

These days original game ideas like Half Life and Halo go the other way, often become movies eventually, but the freedom the designers have let's them make the game they want to make. I can imagine these minions working at EA, churning out Pirates(otC) games and Shrek go-karting travesties - I don't doubt that they'd rather be making original games, but movie tie-ins make money, even when the game is crap.

Look back though to the 8 and 16 bits, games like Robocop and Batman were just as good as the other games available (lot's better in lot's of cases). My favourite movie game has to be Alien Trilogy on the PSX though, for it's time it was a damn good shooter, might be considered the last great movie tie in IMO.


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Some are good, some are bad, apparently the Godfather game is really good and I know for a fact that the Resevior Dogs is a crap game, shame, I picked it up instead of The Godfather, oh well.

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Posted: 13th Jun 2007 17:48
Alien Vs Predator was a quality game - one of the best and most underrated FPS games of all time imo. That was based on two films, so it should've been doubly bad, but it was just doubly good!


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The Godfather is pretty good, it's a lot like GTA, kinda GTA with 30's style mobsters, you can look out your windows though when you buy a house, which is very cool - sometimes you get chased by rival mobsters into your house, then just shoot them from the window . It's worth getting 2nd hand for sure.

Reserviour Dogs was a big disappointment for me, but I kinda expected it to be. Any game based on Dogs is gonna be shallow as hell, it's a great movie because of the performances - turning it into a game was never a good idea, neither was turning Scarface into a game, which is practically the same game anyway!. It's like these 3 games (Scarface, Godfather, Dogs) use the same GTA clone engine, play pretty much the same, but Godfather has so much more in it it's the only one worth bothering with.


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I hate all movie based games. Except some like KOTOR and Starwars games because Battlefront is fun to play.

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Posted: 13th Jun 2007 18:08
The godfather was alright, nothing special in my opinion, a much better game like that was Mafia.

Also, Chronicles of Riddick, although not based on the films(a short time after pitch black but before the new film) was a pretty decent game.


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Posted: 13th Jun 2007 18:46
Yeah it was ok but it would really take a amazingly good game to rewrite what i have said.

Anybody up for making a cyrsis movie?

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Posted: 13th Jun 2007 19:21
OK, how about that new indiana jones game coming up?

The fighting in that is supposed to be devoid of all animation!

Total physics... wow!

That looks set to be an awesome game!

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Posted: 13th Jun 2007 19:25
Yeah but what they say they will do and what they actually do are 2 different things. And we can't judge it because its not out yet. And anyway, who likes Indiana Jones.. Another dragged out character.....Just like Star wars

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Posted: 13th Jun 2007 19:28 Edited at: 13th Jun 2007 19:28
Now that is sacrelidge!

You just condemned yourself to eternal suffering! How dare you say a word against Star Wars! The first three films and a lot of the games were amazing!

And Indiana Jones is a cult classic for a reason! It may have a few oddities, but so does every great series. Think about Rocky, Rambo, The Gremlins, or any other series of films!

Karate kid, etc, they are all great!

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Posted: 13th Jun 2007 19:38
I am not saying anything against star wars JULIUS is has dragged itself out, the only thing that is amazing about them are the movies!! I did not open this tread to talk about movies, only their games!!

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I like indiana jones, as far as i know there have been the films (which are all good) and one game, i don't think thats been dragged out, the way the animation and everything is done in the new one looks amazing though, naturalmotion are pure genious when it comes to that kind of stuff.


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Nah, there's quite a handful of Indiana Jones games, there was the arcade game where you had to use you whip to free kiddies and swing between platforms (8 and 16 bits), there was a LucasArts point and click adventure game too (ST/Amiga), and a predictable Tomb Raider clone(PSX IIRC). The adventure game was pretty cool, although I never got very far with it, wasn't quite as easy as Monkey Island.


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i knew about the old arcade game, and the playstation one but didn't know there was a point and click adventure game though.

I think star wars has been dragged out, never been a huge fan, of the films or the games (beside KOTOR) and unlike a lot of people i know, my dream isn't to weild a real lightsabre...


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I agree that a lot of movie license games are lacking.

It's important to note that there is often a lot of pressure applied to the developer to adhere to style-guides that can have a negtive impact on gameplay.

If you look at Perfect Dark, for example. It was Rare's avenue to doing all the things they weren't allowed to do within the heavy constraints of the Bond franchise.

Worse yet, can be on a project where the story is written by the "actual guys that wrote the movie, show, etc" and they make major revisions up through alpha which results in less time to refine and polish the gameplay experience, be it story scenes or complete levels.
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But surely over time the people who make the movies and the developers that create them ahve realised now that the end products (the games) are absolutely terrible compared to the movies themselves and other games which are on the market?

They should be producing the game while the movie is being filmed using the movie as a template rather than doing a game (possibly with an engine from a past game) when the game has just been released and they're on a time limit before the film becomes old.

Is that common sense or are the games so complicated that they have to be the way they are?

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Problem is that filming a movie can be done relatively quickly, say 20 weeks or so, producing an original game takes much longer, so the games tend to be made by massive publishers like EA, because they have to be done really quickly to catch the hype.

There's no excuse for old movies fathering crud games, that's why Res Dogs dissapointed me so much.

What is most annoying to me is that these licence games cost the same as any other game usually, the only exception is when there's so many of them gonna be sold (like PotC3) that they buy in bulk and sell cheaper - but mostly these games that take about half the time to produce cost the same as genuine games. Take the likes Oblivion as an example of a next gen game that is worth the money, it's huge, there's dozens of hours of gameplay and is really open ended - I don't mind spending £40 on Oblivion even though I got it for £15 - I had to spend £30 to get that pirate game for my son though, which he'll complete in 1 evening then trade in for some ridiculous pittance. Oblivion is a next gen game, PotC3, Spidey3, well they have next gen graphics and that's about it IMO.

If publishers had souls, they'd give us the movie along with the game, like £30 for the DVD and game in a nice box set - I think a lot of people use consoles to watch DVD's anyway, it would be great to convince a kid to wait and get the cool double set, rather than spending £40 on the game, then £15 on the DVD, then £20 on the extended DVD!. If publishers want to combat piracy, this would be more effective than customs folk trawling car boot sales, as if anyone has trouble getting pirate movies these days!.


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yeah but surely if one programmer from, for example, EA made an engine for these sorts of game and when they hear about a new film, using their pre made engine putting in levels and enemies etc. then surely they could make a complete game instead of some random bits just chucked together?
Or am i just expecting too much?

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Have you played Eragon?

People said the film is soooo much like LOTR, I never watched the film, just played the boy at the 360 game for as long as I could stand it (about 7 minutes). The game is pretty much exactly the same as the LOTR games, that sorta linear 3D gameplay that kids seem to lap up. Run, slash, run, jump, run, slash, run, repeat as necessary...
See the engine is probably fairly identical to the LOTR engine, because things just don't change very quickly. Gears of War, that uses the Unreal engine!, I think a lot of people assume that it's a whole fresh new engine, but really it's so expensive to make an engine because it's so time consuming - it's far cheaper to reuse old code, or buy it, when people make new engines, they make them with the intention of selling them to other producers as well as using the engine in their own projects, it's the only way to get the development costs back.


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Goldeneye N64,

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Then why can't they design a fresh completely new engine which has gameplay which can match the likes of oblivion,crysis etc.
Surely than the opinion of film games will rise and will more people will buy them, maybe other than the young generation who buy them just because they have the character that they like!
If they got a whole team working on it maybe they might just make themselves a bit better in our eyes!

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Going back a bit, but I liked the blues brothers game that was out years ago. erm apart from that I cant think of any others

Edit Ahah 'Robocop' was another good one

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Quote: "Goldeneye N64"

What made that game great was the multiplayer.

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yeah, we all like classix because they are good reminders of what programming was like

I can think of some pretty awesome classics. Now try this, compare one great classic to the new pirates of the carribean game.

Is there any similarities?

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Film games are often rushed to fit in with deadlines.

Some film games are good. Example: Spiderman 2.

Some film games are bad. Example: Matrix games.

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some film games i like.

The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay
Starship Troopers
Jurassic Park: Operation Genesis

and lots more I can't be bothered to remember...

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whut i really can't stand are games that in a film like dvd. but film games, i've playe d afew that were ok.

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Quote: "The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay"

Not a film-based game though. Wouldn't film based be more along the lines of 'Star wars - Episode III'?

I agree. Pirates of the Caribbean - At Worlds End game was just a piece of junk. Episode III was short and boring.

People have to realize that games like Battlefront and Jedi Academy are movie franchise games, and not games that directly follow the movie.
Movie-based game - Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King
Movie-franchise game - Chronicles of Riddick - Escape from Butcher bay
Movie-based game - Star wars - Episode III
Movie-franchise game - Star wars - Jedi Outcast

I actually liked LOTR - ROTK alot. It was just fun, even though it was short, and you couldn't get over level 20.

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Quote: "People have to realize that games like Battlefront and Jedi Academy are movie franchise games, and not games that directly follow the movie"
I kinda thought that was obvious. Not that it really matters.

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So are we saying here that movie fanchise games are always better than movie based. My first thought would be yes but are there some decent movie based games out there?

I think that some of the LOTR games were alright but seem to have dragged out with the batttle for mordor (1,2,3...etc) Most of the movie based LOTR games used completely same engine so after i played on the second game i realised i was seeing deja vu.

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Quote: "I can imagine these minions working at EA, churning out Pirates(otC) games and Shrek go-karting travesties - I don't doubt that they'd rather be making original games, but movie tie-ins make money, even when the game is crap."


Um, EA isn't doing a Pirates or a Shrek movie-game While EA has been responsible for crap movie games (Catwoman, anyone?), a lot of times the source material isn't any better (Catwoman, anyone?). Also, we can't compare them to the worst offender of all-time, Acclaim, with their absolute shiiite NES movie tie-ins.

Godfather was a great game I thought, which was EA. Also, the Battle For Middle Earth RTS series was very excellent as well.

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Quote: "So are we saying here that movie fanchise games are always better than movie based"
I wouldn't say so. Just that overall that is generally the case. My guess is the time constraints. If a movie is coming out in 2 months then you have to be ready. If you are making a game in that movie's universe (say 5 years after the movie came out) then there is no time constraint (well not from the movie itself).

Of course you can make a game that is totally about the films (Lego Star Wars follows the films closer than most film tie-in games do) way later after the film comes out. Lego Star Wars could kind of cheat because it is a game about a trilogy, so even though they were constrained by the 3rd film coming out, for all we know they could have been working on it for years (since phantom menace, or even longer with the original trilogy). Plus someone has to do a good film game now and again.

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Sorry Jeku, just plucked EA's name out of the air without considering your feelings again .


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Hahah hey, like I said before, I'm not impartial to any company. Feel free to mock those who deserve it--- don't worry about my feelings

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