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Cash Curtis II
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Hey all, I'm looking for a bit of advice. I'm looking for a nice place to use as an indoor game location. I have some specific requirements for it. I already have my whole game design ready, and all of my dialog, etc. The actual building hasn't been made yet, so I'm flexible on it.

Here's what I want:

1. An old church, very medieval and dark looking.
2. It needs to be in use in some way.
3. It needs to be important, historically and culturally, and held dear by those connected to it.
4. Those connected to it need to be rich or have access to significant resources.
5. I need to have access to good pictures of the place so that I can model it.

It can be in pretty much any country. I appreciate it!


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Posted: 22nd Jun 2007 11:27 Edited at: 22nd Jun 2007 11:28
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St Paul's Cathedral returns some nice results in Google Images.

The people who own it (Vatican?) would have to be rich

It's not necessarily dark looking, but it's certainly old-school.

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Like this semi-cross section
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Cash Curtis II
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Posted: 22nd Jun 2007 11:30
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That's a nice candidate, but it's too nice inside. Like an elegant castle...




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SpyDaniel
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Posted: 22nd Jun 2007 12:55
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Try this Cash:

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Kentaree
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Sounds like a PR stunt to me Cash, you trying to pull a Sony?

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Oraculaca
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Posted: 22nd Jun 2007 14:20 Edited at: 22nd Jun 2007 14:21
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Hows about Rosslyn Chapel

http://www.sacred-destinations.com/scotland/rossyln-chapel.htm

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Cash Curtis II
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Posted: 22nd Jun 2007 14:58
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@Higgins -
Fabulous church. What goes on there today, generally? Who's in charge of the place?

@Oraculaca -
The Rosslyn Chapel is a fantastic choice, above all others. It's mysterious history is a huge advantage. Unfortunately Da Vinci Code took it first, and that would be kind of lame and cheap of me to do the same. I'll certainly consider it, but I probably won't use it.

@Kentaree -
Who, me? I can't help what others might think


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SpyDaniel
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Cash, I have no idea what goes on there today, I just found it on Google and thought it matched a few of the things on your list. Its probably just a normal village church. But on the site, it says it was built by a wealthy baron, so maybe his family still runs/owns the church today?
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Posted: 22nd Jun 2007 16:01 Edited at: 22nd Jun 2007 16:33
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Cash take a look at the following sites page.

Of particular interest, is the Salisbury Cathedral
Salisbury Cathredal. Not only the history, interior and exterior, but 3d model renderings as well. This site provides enough information and 3D renderings, that you could actually build a cathedral when finished.

Look how easily you can convert from english to french gothic design.

Really cool stuff, as well as texts and essays (including the Medieval Source Book: Henry III - Doucments of the Church of Salisbury . Images for every possible angle you could imagine. Blueprints, and even quicktime movies to show the rotations and construction phases.

Add to it the surrounding town history and images, and local parishes. The Chapter House uses and customs.



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Others to note:
Amiens Cathedral

and the Cologne Cathedral

St. John the Divine History and images

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Jeff Miller
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Try Notre Dame. You can work The Hunchback character into it. The story is public domain. Check out the old Charles Laughton - Maureen O'Hara movie for some great mood lighting effects and gargoyle shots. It's worth it if for no other reason than to watch Maureen O'Hara in her prime.
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2007 02:41 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2007 02:42
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Notre Dame seems like it would fit to me, though it might be a bit too cliche.

Notre Dame





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Jeff Miller
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So you make it a sequel. Son of Hunchback. Hunchback II. Esmerelda's Revenge. Call the game "Sanctuary" in big bloody dripping letters. It's the only one that seems to meet all 5 of his requirements. Also, you simply cannot pass up the action opportunities in those huge bell towers (jumping, ladders, etc.) Plus it's so tall, think of the way Cash could crank up the physics when someone takes a plunge.
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Google...
Sainsbury......LOL!!!
I think out of all the pics on this thread it would have to be Milkmans.

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zenassem
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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 02:59 Edited at: 24th Jun 2007 03:13
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Well I still like the one I found. And given that it demonstrates the entire construction, it's a can't miss. It fits all the requirements. Meh.... But If Cash doesn't use it, I know I will use it for something.

















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Matt Rock
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Saint Patricks Cathedral in NYC is pretty awesome. Saint Michaels is smaller and a little more humble, and a little less gothic (but still mideval-looking and cool), it might be more what you're looking for, but then I'm not sure if you'd be able to find images on Google. Next time I'm in Manhattan I can snap a few pictures for you though, if you can't find good images of it online.


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Posted: 25th Jun 2007 09:55
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I'm am going into NYC on Friday. My daughters want to see Hillary Duff part of the (summer concert series). So I can take some shots of a few cathedrals in Manhattan.

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Posted: 25th Jun 2007 10:28
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I really love how eager everyone is to help out

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Cash Curtis II
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Posted: 25th Jun 2007 16:11
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Yeah, everyone has just been awesome I've been meaning to reply to this thread earlier, I've been really busy. Now I'm compiling Geisha House, so I have some quality forum time.

@Jeff Miller and Milkman -
Notre Dame is a wonderful suggestion, but the name is far too familiar. I fear that 'Son of Hunchback' would go in the bargain bins right next to 'Son of the Mask'

@Matt Rock -
How soon will you be in NYC? I'd absolutely love some pictures.

@zenassem -
That place is nice. I'd run it down a bit, but it could certainly work.

So, if you're able while you're in NYC, some pictures would be awesome. Google images doesn't always have the images I really need, and the less guesswork I have to do the better. I'll be able to use a combination of architectural designs and your pictures and accurately make the place.

If you're able to, one thing that would really help is to photograph some things unique to the place, like stained glass windows and stonework. Those pictures I'll use as textures. Pictures that are dead on are the most useful. If the picture is taken from an angle it's not as useful. However, I can work with pretty much anything. I often take a warped image and reconstruct a usable texture out of it.

Details of any statues would be cool too

Thanks all!


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Jeff Miller
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Posted: 25th Jun 2007 17:34
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If Zenassem hits St. Patrick's he can have a field day with statues. But ignore the one of Elizabeth Seton (first American saint) - it is way too modern in comparison with the others.
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zenassem
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Posted: 25th Jun 2007 20:47 Edited at: 25th Jun 2007 21:12
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@cash,

Will do. Don't be affraid to give me a list of exactly what you want. This way I'll make a list and check them off. My GF doubles a an amateur/semi-pro phtographer, so I'll let her take most of the architectural shots.

Perhaps someone can guide me on the best way to take shots that will be used as textures. ie... distance, framing, . I have a few GB in cards, so I can do some video capture if it helps define the space.


BTW, York Minster also has some ideas you could incorporate.

York Minster


Are these the type of pics you would want?



Stained Glass Panel 1:


Comfer Font:


King Oswald


King Edwin


St Paulinus


William The Conqueror


The Harrowing of Hell. 12th Century Stained glass:


Norman Door Jam


Prince William


15th Century Scrope Tapestry


The Great West Window


The Rose Window


Plaque


1840 Fire


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Zen - Great pictures! If you want to take photos for textures, I have a few pointers (but not all the answers!). I do a great deal of photography as well, some for texture use, some for exactly the same thing that Cash is looking for here, guide photos. For textures what I do is I take the photo perfectly paralell to whatever surface I am to make the texture out of. The most important thing to keep in mind is lighting sources and angles. The amount of light is actually less important than the direction of light. Sometimes taking photos of objects that have shadows or cross shadows isn't always a bad thing, but it is considered 'bad practice' for a texture artist. I find it very difficult to take a good texture photo that has shadows, it is best to take a flat photo and lightmap it into the scene later. If lighting varies at all on the object that you wish to photograph, see if you can level the lighting with different flash settings or modifying the receptive lighting of the object (either by adding more light in other areas or obstructing the offending light source.) A lot of this information is just common sense, but some of it may enlighten a few people. Also, when you take a photo of something that is rectangular or square, you will see that whatever it is (lets say a door) will appear 'fatter' in the middle than it does on the top or the bottom. The reason for this is that your lense is actually closer to the center of the object than it is the top or bottom. You can adjust for this with some cameras, or you can adjust this manually in photoshop later (pinch or skew the image).

I am pretty excited to see so much community effort on this, it is quite inspiring!

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Silvester
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Posted: 25th Jun 2007 22:31 Edited at: 25th Jun 2007 22:36
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I found on google some pictures of a chapel i have bein to in some country,Kutna Hora.

Loops creepy with all the bones and such



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http://static.flickr.com/112/288622995_6c5eca040b_o.jpg



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I just love that place.All the skulls and such.

Anyway,story behind it is that there were too many Plague victims hidden in the sheds of the church and such.That they had let the bones of them taken out,then burried the body's.With those bones some weird architect made this structure.As far as i know more then 6000 human skeletons are in it.(Atleast theyr skulls,as there are 4 HUGE clock things full of skull's)

If you search google for "Kutna Hora" you should find out more.

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Posted: 25th Jun 2007 22:44
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@P.O.D.

Awesome pics!!! And that link provides a great example on how Cash could dirty things up a bit.

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Posted: 25th Jun 2007 22:46 Edited at: 25th Jun 2007 22:51
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I like that place,Its creepy in some way...Note that it is all the same place though,And i think it will require LOADS of modeling

More detailed history:
http://www.kostnice.cz/ossuary.htm

Main Site:
http://www.kostnice.cz/

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zenassem
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Posted: 30th Jun 2007 07:01 Edited at: 30th Jun 2007 07:03
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Update: I wasn't able to make the trip today due to some unfortunate business scheduling.

However, my Girl Friend was able to do some general picture taking on my behalf. I will upload the pics later. I will go back in next week, to complet the texture shots and detail work.

It was difficult for here to take those, because by the time the concert was over, the place was packed (and she wasn't really sure what was needed). I'll have to see what she captued, and then I'll go back myself (without kids) to do some detail research.

I will Edit the Pics in shortly.

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