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Zaibatsu
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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 02:47 Edited at: 25th Jun 2007 05:35
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It seems to me that everyone and his dog is getting a new computer these days, so I decided, why not me?

I would like to say right now, I do not want a Vista Machine, and probably won't for a few years to come.

As of now, this is what I'm getting.

Nzxt Apollo Gaming Tower Case w/420W Power Supply Silver
Cold Cathode Neon Light Blue
550 Watt -- Power Supply SLI Ready
Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E6420 (2x 2.13GHz/2MB L2 Cache/1066FSB)
Certified CPU Fan and Heatsink + 2 Extra Color Lighting Case Fans
Asus P5N-E SLI nForce® 650i SLI Chipset w/6-channel CODEC, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, IEEE-1394 Dual PCI-E MB
1024MB [512MB X2] DDR2-800 PC6400 Memory Module
NVIDIA GeForce 7600GS 512MB w/DVI + TV Out Video
Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100)
Sunbeam Pro Series Illuminated Keyboard - Silver
Logisys Optical Fan Mouse - Silver
Windows XP

I'm getting this all pre-built with 2 free games (don't remember what they are) and a game case for just under 1000 dollars.

I'm open to suggestions if anyone has some.

The primary reason I'm upgrading is becuase the shaders on my ATI Radeon 9250 just don't work with todays (or tomorrows) games.

I also want to know if this could run games like Starship Troopers, The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay, Dark Messiah, Half-Life 2, Far Cry and Doom 3 with graphics on high. Not just run them on high, but run them well.

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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 10:30
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Seems good. I honestly would want a geforce 8 series myself,but since you don't wanna go vista for time to come,I wouldn't worry about that too much.

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Posted: 25th Jun 2007 05:35 Edited at: 25th Jun 2007 05:35
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Quote: "Seems good."


thank you.

Quote: "I honestly would want a geforce 8 series myself,but since you don't wanna go vista for time to come,I wouldn't worry about that too much.
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Since I won't be using Vista or DX10 for awhile, i don't think its worth the money.

Anyone else have something to contribute? What I really want to know is if it can run the type of games I listed with high graphics, and run them well.

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It looks like it should handle Far Cry just fine, but you might want to consider going to 2 GB of RAM. I agree with Benny53 about the 8 series, but as already said, I guess it doesn't really have a point if you're planning on using XP for a while to come. Where are you purchasing it?

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Posted: 1st Jul 2007 21:54 Edited at: 1st Jul 2007 21:55
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Quote: "Where are you purchasing it?
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ibuypower.com

EDIT: The keyboard and mouse are from xoxide.com

Quote: "It looks like it should handle Far Cry just fine"


What about the rest of the listed games?

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i would highly recommend getting 2gigs of RAM instead of just 1. you will be glad you got it.

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Posted: 1st Jul 2007 22:19 Edited at: 1st Jul 2007 22:22
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Quote: "What about the rest of the listed games?"
Can't help you there - don't have them. Sorry.

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edit: forgot to put [ / quote ]

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I used to have the EXACT system as you, coincedantelly.

And, I had ALL of those games. So you and I are on the right page.

Dark Messiah ran fine on all high, (plus a little tuning)-but occasionally the speech would lag.

HL2 ran fine-no questions.

Doom3 ran at about 75 fps. (its not high poly models-just alot of shaders.)

so, enjoy your new pc. It was good to me.

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Posted: 1st Jul 2007 22:49
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Quote: "Doom3 ran at about 75 fps. (its not high poly models-just alot of shaders.)
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don't know what the normal is for it. I don't have it anyways, I was just asking becuase I know thats considered a "good graphics" game.

Quote: "I used to have the EXACT system as you, coincedantelly."

Quote: "So you and I are on the right page.
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Shouldn't that be same page?

anways, If you've had a computer like this, do you think I'll need 2 gigs of ram? its another almost 200 dollars i think...

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Amazon.com is your savior. I think they have 2x512 Kingston RAM for about $80. Just order the PC as usual, then manually put in the extra RAM - believe me, it's worth it.

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Posted: 1st Jul 2007 23:28 Edited at: 1st Jul 2007 23:28
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alright I'll get 2 gigs. eventually...

I'll start with 1 gig and upgrade in a month or so

Oh and I decided to upgrade to a 600w power supply

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Quote: "I'll start with 1 gig and upgrade in a month or so"
But don't feel pushed if the computer isn't doing the pushing

Quote: "Oh and I decided to upgrade to a 600w power supply"
Good choice. How much more is it?

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Posted: 1st Jul 2007 23:34 Edited at: 2nd Jul 2007 00:16
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$10

EDIT: While we're on the subject, exactly what would the advantages be of getting the 600w power supply over the 550w?

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I know this thread is slightly old, but I have some more questions.

First, nobody ever answered my question about the better power supply.

Second, would I have better performance if I decided to switch some of the parts for these?

CoolerMaster Liquid CPU Cooling Fan System Kit or Thermaltake MaxOrb CPU Cooling Fan System Kit
NVIDIA GeForce 7950 256mb

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Quote: "Second, would I have better performance if I decided to switch some of the parts for these?"


Want me to build you a PC and show you all the parts? Give me a price
range (In USD) and i'll get you a leet system...

I am air cooling all the way the, I do not trust water cooling.

Quote: "NVIDIA GeForce 7950 256mb"


Go with the 512MB version.

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Posted: 27th Jul 2007 22:51
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Quote: "Want me to build you a PC and show you all the parts? Give me a price
range (In USD) and i'll get you a leet system...
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I'm buying it off ibuypower...

Quote: "Go with the 512MB version.
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not available from there.

Quote: "I am air cooling all the way the, I do not trust water cooling.
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so should i get the Thermaltake MaxOrb CPU Cooling Fan System Kit instead of the liquid cooling? i was originally going for the Certified CPU Fan and Heatsink + 2 Extra Color Lighting Case Fans, but they don't carry it anymore.

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Posted: 28th Jul 2007 00:42 Edited at: 28th Jul 2007 00:43
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Quote: "so should i get the Thermaltake MaxOrb CPU Cooling Fan System Kit instead of the liquid cooling?"


I went air cooling because i don't want to pay people to install water cooling plus if it breaks there goes all your cash.

But on the other hand, if they have a "money back" type of deal, it might be worth it.

Building a custom computer is all about what you want how you want it to look and how cold you want it to stay you have the weight the advantages and disadvantages very closely.

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No reason for you to get 512mb on the video card. By the time that video card is using ram close to 256mb, you really wont like the speed anyway.
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Quote: "By the time that video card is using ram close to 256mb, you really wont like the speed anyway."


I really don't understand what you're trying to say there...

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Posted: 28th Jul 2007 18:29 Edited at: 28th Jul 2007 18:50
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If I could switch a 7600 512mb for a 7950 256mb I'd do it in an instant!

The extra RAM is nothing compaired to the extra performance you will get!

How many games are there out there that need more than 256mb Video RAM anyway?

Many people have said they couldn't tell the difference between Doom 3 high quality and ultra quality and i guess if you are going for larger textures you're gona need a fast card to push them around anyway.

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Quote: "If I could switch a 7600 512mb for a 7950 256mb I'd do it in an instant!"


thank you. thats the plain straight answer I was looking for.

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Lets say I wanted to upgrade the processor. These two cost the same, which one should I go for if I decide to upgrade?

Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E6850 (2x 3.0GHz/4MB L2 Cache/1333FSB)
Intel Core 2 Quad Processor Q6600 (4x 2.4GHz/8MB L2 Cache/1066FSB)

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The amount of stress on the graphics card when it's approaching 256 mb usage of its ram will give you lag you wont like. Adding more will not help unless the game was made by a complete retard who makes models that take up ridiculous amounts of memory. 512 mb is complete overkill for a card such as a 7600gs. I'd only consider it with 7900 series and up. The 7600 just wont handle it, period. Now it's your money and your choice.
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I would go for this if it's to be a gaming machine..

Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E6850 (2x 3.0GHz/4MB L2 Cache/1333FSB)

My reasons are these...

DBP runs on a single thread so 3ghz will be faster than 2.4Ghz. Also all commercial games out there do far as also single threaded.

I've found in the past that a faster Front Side Bus means anything attached to the slots will run faster also, like you can run faster memory chips and the grphics card may take advantage for the faster bus speed to run faster.

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If it was to be a server I go for the Quad core chip as my http/perl/mysql server makes loads of little threads for each user and it would mean 4 could be processed at the same time.

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I went looking for better deals, and I think i found one. This is the system I was going to get:

Nzxt Apollo Gaming Tower Case w/420W Power Supply Silver
Cold Cathode Neon Light Blue
600 Watt -- Power Supply SLI Ready
Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E6850 (2x 3.0GHz/4MB L2 Cache/1333FSB)
Thermaltake MaxOrb CPU Cooling Fan System Kit
Asus P5N-E SLI nForce® 650i SLI Chipset w/6-channel CODEC, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, IEEE-1394 Dual PCI-E MB
1024MB [512MB X2] DDR2-800 PC6400 Memory Module Mushkin
NVIDIA GeForce 7950 256mb- EVGA Brand
160 GB HARD DRIVE [Serial-ATA-II, 3Gb, 7200 RPM, 8M Cache]
Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100)

It would cost $1,128 with a $15 Mail In Rebate
I would buy it from ibuypower.com.



This is the system I would consider getting instead:

Xion III Gaming Mid-Tower 420W Case with Side Window Silver
12in COLD CATHODE NEON LIGHT Blue
Extra 3-Color Neon Light LED Case Fan x2
CoolerMaster Unit 600 Watts eXtreme Power - SLI Supports
(Sckt775)Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E6850 CPU @ 3.00GHz 1333FSB 4MB L2 Cache 64-bit
INTEL LGA775 CERTIFIED CPU FAN & HEATSINK
(Quad-Core FSB1333) Asus P5N-E nForce 650i SLI Chipset LGA775 FSB1333 DDR2 Mainboard
(Req.DDR2 MainBoard)1GB (2x512MB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory Mushkin Brand
NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GT 512MB 16X PCI Express- EVGA Powered by NVIDIA
250GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 8MB Cache 7200RPM HDD
ADDITIONAL PCI 32 BIT 10/100 NETWORK CARD

It would cost $1,077 with $20 Mail In Rebate.
I would buy it from cyberpowerpc.com

Would anyone tell me if the second PC is any better? Because it seems like it would be, but it costs less.

Also, can anyone tell me if these two websites are reliable.

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