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Geek Culture / Walkman vs MP3 for jogging

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HWT
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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 14:09
It's a simple question - which would you recommend for jogging - a walkman or MP3 player?

Also, my walkman has been giving out this "hisssss" and "bizzzzz" interference - anybody know how to fix that? I've tried GOOGLE but nothing relevant

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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 14:31
I just use an Mp3 player, I mean you can fit plenty of songs on there and it's small and isn't likely to fall out of my pocket - although I lauched it in the air when I rose a pool cue at a speed - but I seriously doubt you'd be that daft.

But if you've got a working walkman that is a convenient size and isn't a pain for jogging and you have no real use for an Mp3 player, then stick to the walkman.

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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 14:39
mp3 - and actually, not only for jogging: always.

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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 15:11
MP3 players dont skip when u move up and down

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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 17:35
if you get a solid state mp3 player you should have no problem with jogging hard disk drive mp3 players will be affected by jogging as there are moving parts...however the sony walkman mp3 players have a special jog protection system that is said to be fairly good.

Your choice really

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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 18:17
Personally, I use my DS with a Homebrew app called Lick Media Player. It emulates an iPod (but it's skinnable, so it can emulate anything, really) and uses the touchscreen for a nice interface.
I'm only limited by the size of a miniSD card I can put into my homebrew flash cart.

All up (as an MP3 player) it cost me a grand total of $0.
To get the homebrew stuff cost me a little under AU$80, but I got that before I even knew I could use it as an MP3 player

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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 18:40
Look at it this way, my mp3 player has never jumped no matter what, my expensive sony cd player used to jump whenever it was jerked...

I've seen the homebrew ds media player, i don't think the ds's sound is good enough to use as an mp3

just out of curiosity Jess, how safe is it to install the new moddable flash software for the ds, i want to get into making some ds games but i'm unsure as to how safe it is and i don't want to screw up my ds.


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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 18:42
I use my phone and some Bluetooth headphones. No wires, no moving parts, and about 7-10 hours of battery and then about 70 hours of phone standby.


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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 18:49 Edited at: 24th Jun 2007 18:50
Shock! People still use walkmans! Tape walkman? The original?



Unwanted hiss can be from old tape, dirty tape heads, cheap headphones (from the pound shop) or you acidentaly flicked dbx/dolby noise reduction switch off :p

Surly you mean you mobile phone? Respect if your still using old skool tape

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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 19:08
You can get Walkman CD players, you know.


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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 19:10 Edited at: 24th Jun 2007 19:11
He's joggin though, I'd have thought he'd know CD's and jogging don't go Good 'ol tape had no problems jogging

and tape would explain the hisssssss noise he hears. my money on a tape player... <taking bets, place your bids now!>

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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 19:39
Is that even a question? Lol, mp3 players are smaller, hold more songs, and can play more than one CD at a time.


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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 19:52
I'd definitely use an MP3 player. You can take whatever music you want with you (or all of it if you have a big enough mp3 player). It's small, durable, won't skip. Don't even see the point in your question Hands down and MP3 player is the best way to go in every situation I'd say.

I just got a Motorola Razr which has a built in MP3 player, gives me about 4+ or so hours of play time with a normal battery. I can carry about 200+ songs, and that's only limited by my memory card size. I could get a bigger one. So if you need/want a new phone you could always consider one with MP3 capabilities.

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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 20:07
Quote: "He's joggin though, I'd have thought he'd know CD's and jogging don't go Good 'ol tape had no problems jogging"


I suppose you haven't seen jog proof CD players and I'm sure the walkman CD players are jog proof as well, as it would defeat the point of the walkman players. I had one, good for running, but not exactly ideal for your pocket (But at the time I had a bag most of the time, so it sat in there)

Yes you do get the 'hiss' sound in tape players, but that's a manditory sound - if that's the problem, then it can't be solved. - If it's a CD player then it could be the headphones, an electrical problem, a problem with the laser or just something scratching as the CD spins.

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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 20:34
Based on price to quality (durability included) to satisfaction (for joggine of course)? Where does walkman/MP3 stand?

Quote: "Is that even a question?"


Also, as many mentioned - the movement during jogging - am I wrong to think that MP3s are more delicate than walkmans?

Quote: "Yes you do get the 'hiss' sound in tape players"

Actually, it only started recently - i'm pretty sure it's the head but not being a techy, I was unsure.

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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 20:56
Quote: "just out of curiosity Jess, how safe is it to install the new moddable flash software for the ds"


I'll answer if you don't mind. You don't have to install any software on your DS for modding. I use something called M3 Simply which is a cart int he DS slot and a cart in the GBA slot, with which fits a nice Micro SD slot for all your homebrewing needs. The DS BIOS itself isn't touched.

Unless there's some specific reason you want to flash your DS?

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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 21:24
Quote: "I suppose you haven't seen jog proof CD players "


They are not jog proof, they have a buffer.. say 30 seconds, but jog for more than thirty seconds they jump just like normal ones

If you don't believe me come take a trip in my car over a cobble road hehehe

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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 21:47
Mine seemed fairly jog proof - but I guess because it was in my bag had something to do with it.

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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 23:13
Quote: "Motorola Razr"

A friend of mine has one. It's rubbish. The durabillity of a deck of cards, and with 15 unexpandable megabytes of memory, the MP3 player is useless. Not to mention that it has, quite possibly, the slowest bluetooth and nastiest keypad ever used. (with the possible exception of its evil sibling, the L6)


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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 23:53 Edited at: 24th Jun 2007 23:53
Erm... I can put any sized SDmicro card into my Razr (biggest I've seen available is 4gb). So far I (personally) haven't had any durability issues with it, though I heard it's more fragile than some other phones. Keypad is great IMO. Also, I see nothing wrong with the Bluetooth either. I don't know where you're coming from Nex, seems like a great phone to me.

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Posted: 24th Jun 2007 23:57 Edited at: 24th Jun 2007 23:58
The one I've seen has no form of expandable memory, a keypad made of foil with no indentations or obvious buttons without looking, was about 1nm thick and crashed whenever it was put down too hard (just like the L6) and when I made the mistake of sending I Don't Love You to it, it took over a quater of an hour wheras it took less than a minute to send it to a Sony Ericcson about five minutes before. Maybe there was more than one type of Razr released, but this one was a pathetic attempt by Motorola.


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Posted: 25th Jun 2007 00:45
Oh lord on heaven, haven't these people ever heard of an iPod?

Just grab a nano (2gb), slap some songs on there, buy the armband that wraps around your bicep and latches via velcro, then your ready to go.

Zune also has one. (Mine's a 30gb)

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Posted: 25th Jun 2007 00:48
Cheers Jeku, i have seen those around, i just thought they were for playing gba games on your ds, now i just need to find out which ones are decent now.

Quote: "Unless there's some specific reason you want to flash your DS?"


I have read around and most of them said i needed to install passme (not sure if thats what its called) to play homebrew code on the ds, which was my original intention. If there is no need to flash my ds then i'm a happy bunny.

i looked around and found it here, it looks like i'll be getting this. I've had a lot of experience making content for ds games so i'm ok for that, just never got into the programming side of things.

Back on topic, i use my phone when i'm on short walking journeys, in the car i have this thing that outputs a radio signal, so i plug that into my ipod, put it in the car door and tune my car radio into the signal i'm emitting from the device, works really nice and it means i get 30 gig of music in my car, my 10 mile commute in the morning is made much nicer


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Posted: 25th Jun 2007 00:54
Quote: "Just grab a nano"

HOW MUCH FOR A 2GB MP3 PLAYER!?

No, thank you. I'll grab one off Eclipse for £12. And it won't need iTunes either.


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mp3 sucks, kills the high notes. hi-md is much better, and you can use it for backing up data with infanate storage. and you have a line in recording, hardly any mp3's have this. and thay are basicly indestructible. can survive falling down stairs, or out of your pocket when riding a bike!

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It'll break in a week *Dodges a hose pipe* Who the hell throws a hose pipe?

In my experience with headphones, you get what paid for, that applies to pretty much anything - cheap Mp3 player - may break easily - cheap computer - hardware isn't very durable, headphones, you buy 3 pairs in a week (Literally, avoid £2 headphones, seriously!) whilst I've had my iPod shuffle since it came out, it has done me no wrong - headphones broke yes - but to be fair not many headphones survive being trodden on.

I'm not preaching to get an iPod, just that yeah you get more songs for your money with a £12 one - but I've seen many Mp3 players break in the period I've had my own iPod, well two other's have survive, Creative and Sony - they're on the higher end as well and it seems that old annoying saying has shown its truth.

Equally:

Quote: "Oh lord on heaven, haven't these people ever heard of an iPod?"


You don't need an iPod just to listen to music - if the guy wants a freaking walkman or a different Mp3 player, let him, I mean iPod aren't cheap and not everybody's cup of tea.

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Delstar 1GB MP3 Player $24.99

If you’re looking for a top-quality digital MP3 player with an affordable price tag, you’ve hit pay dirt! Check out our new Delstar DS 31024 – it’s compact, great looking, and delivers exceptional audio performance. The Delstar DS 31024 plays MP, WMA and WAV formats and features 7 preset EQ and a clear, easy-to-see LCD display. Comes with comfortable, lightweight headphones. Great digital entertainment for the person on the go!
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Thats a fully fledged advert right there...


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Quote: "Oh lord on heaven, haven't these people ever heard of an iPod?"


Yes, only, I don't feel like spending a weeks paycheck or more on an MP3 player. I needed a new phone, I figured I might as well spend an extra couple bucks for a built in MP3 player. Suits my needs just fine.

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Posted: 25th Jun 2007 05:19 Edited at: 25th Jun 2007 05:34
Oolite, to answer your question, I've started a new thread in Programming Talk...

Other - DS - How to get started with homebrew

Quote: "I've seen the homebrew ds media player, i don't think the ds's sound is good enough to use as an mp3"


I've encoded my music at 192kb (or, the equivelant in the OGG format), and I can't detect any difference when using the headphones.
The speakers, on the other hand, get pretty distorted at higher volumes!

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Quote: "I use something called M3 Simply"
Yeah, me too. Easy as hell. Totally plug and play. Apparently there is an M3 Real (think that is the name) that is coming out soon that gives 100% compatibility. Simply's are about 99% apparently. There is also the DS-Xtreme, which apparently is more compatible than the Simply and has built in memory. Generally it is argued this makes it better cos you don't know what quality microSD you are getting for the other devices. Personally haven't had a problem with my Simply though. Plus I can use multiple SD cards if I want to. Only one built into the Xtreme (you can get a 2gb version now though - careful as they advertise it as 16gb (gigabits) with 2gb in small letters). Another slight advantage of the Xtreme is that it has a mini USB connector on the back of it, so you don't even have to unplug it to upload data. Some may see the Simply is better because you can eject the micro SD from the Simply and just plug it into a card reader (comes with SD converter and a cute little micro SD USB reader stick), but I get slightly nervous that I break the damn thing (it is so small and fragile looking).

I got mine, and a 2gb microSD, from the chinese site (was an English version though) because they deliver anywhere (I live in Cyprus):-
http://www.divineo.net/

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Posted: 25th Jun 2007 19:08
Accepting that MP3's are more handy - are they equally durable for jogging that is?

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I would have thought much more so. Especially a solid state MP3 player. After all the Walkman has moving parts that I bet are much more likely to go wrong. Personally I have a tiny 1gb Sony for stuff like jogging as it is practically a necklace, has nutter battery life (about 70-90 hours on a single AAA) and makes the Nano look like a brick (apart from the thickness, but who really cares when it is the size of a remote control?). And I have a 60gb iPod Video for using around the house and at work (no way am I going running and stuff with a HD MP3 player).

Saying all that we are one step away from getting this waterproof MP3 player (only I emailed them and they say a 2gb version with a screen is in the works so I am waiting). If you watch example videos and read reviews then basically you can swim with it (and with the headphones underwater) and still press buttons (a lot of waterproof watches will break if you press the buttons in), control it, and everything. Plus it floats. And they dropped it off the top of a 3 or 4 storey building and there was no problems (the nano they dropped with it was destroyed). And with the extra beach time I am doing these days (aaaahhhhh....) then no way I am taking my iPod or Sony anywhere near sand and water... http://www.freestyleaudio.com/buy.php

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If you're going to complain that a cheap MP3 player is going to be big, ugly and runs on AAs, take a look at this:
http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/product.aspx?code=MP-QM26-2GB-BK


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Im thinking about this phone/mp3 player for my new contract. I had the old version but it was a little chunky. Mind you i'll probably snap this one in about a week.



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You can get these little USB type mp3 players now that sound pretty good, charge up through USB, I mean I have a 2gb one that cost about £30 - With things like that I prefer to use cheap stuff, if I loose it or it gets broken then no biggie, not like £150 worth of iPod. If your doing any sort of sport with it, I'd advise a cheap USB MP3 player above anything more expensive. These things tend to come with neckstrap headphones, so you wear the thing like a medallion, but it's secure, cheap and discrete and won't cost you a fortune.

iPods, well I've little time for them - people are at me all the time to help them get set up, hell my son's recently stoled iPod had to be un-bricked, iTunes is like a cancer on your PC IMO - that's why I just plug in my cheap little player and drag over my wma/mp3's from my storage drive.


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Quote: ""Oh lord on heaven, haven't these people ever heard of an iPod?""

wow yeah, i really wanna spend an hour loading a page for 10 songs. itunes as got to be the sloooooooowest thing i'veevr used. Personally i'd have to prefear mp3 cuz it has my songs on it. ihave over 1000 on mine, so i can just go choose.I pesonally just use zune to. the subscription service is great!!!! unlimitedmusic for 15 bucks amonth! sum ppl hate it cuz they dont' actually "own" the music, despite the fact u cant' burn CDs and such the amount of subscription time it would take to equal asmuch money as the thousands of songs i have on there is about 7.3 years. and i add like 4 albums at least every two weeks or so. Go mp3 all the way!!!! find a secure way to hold it. but zune is kinda big like an ipod. get a small sansa depeneding on how much music u listen then u coudl just stick it in yoru pocket

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I hate DRM (Digital Restriction Management).

I will never get an any device which forces me to conform to it, unless I can (legally) turn it off, or bypass it in some form.

That's one of the reasons I use my DS as an MP3 player. The other reason being that I already had the homebrew hardware setup for it

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if you want music while jogging, smaller and lighter wins. So with that said, no walkman will be as small as an mp3 player. I just bought an ipod shuffle last week just for this very thing. The size of a pack of matches and about as light. Not to mention it holds way more than any walkman or even a discman.


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I understand the size advantages of the MP3 over the walkman and the ease of use and the quality advantages but I always considered MP3s are delicate items that get destroyed if a drop of sweat touches them - am I wrong in thinking this?

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Yes you are. Well maybe not for all of them, but there are more sport focused ones that are pretty durable (look at my link above. They dropped it from several stories up, and *swam* with it).

My smallest MP3 player is tiny, can be kept in a standard jeans pocket if you wish (which is pretty safe overall), and is solid as hell. Just a shame Sony don't stay with the same design for more than 2 minutes otherwise I would advise that one (newest ones look a lot more breakable). I used to have a Walkman and that stopped working after a few years and doesn't look anywhere near as solid as my Sony MP3.

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Quote: "I understand the size advantages of the MP3 over the walkman and the ease of use and the quality advantages but I always considered MP3s are delicate items that get destroyed if a drop of sweat touches them - am I wrong in thinking this?"


Probably. I've never owned one, but I've used a few iPods and they seem quite durable. The littler MP3 players (like the USB stick kind) outght to be pretty invincible with just a little bouncing in your pocket while jogging, since they don't have a hard drive or big LCD screen or anything.

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Posted: 27th Jun 2007 19:44
I sit next to someone in IT who recently wasted £45 on a 1Gb Shuffle. I then directed him to the MP3 player I found. You should have seen the way his face fell. It was nothing short of classic!


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Quote: " but I always considered MP3s are delicate items that get destroyed if a drop of sweat touches them - am I wrong in thinking this?"


My shuffle has a metal casing and weighs partically nothing. I bet I could hurl it down the street and it'd still work after bouncing under a car tire.


I just saw the one heartbone posted, for the price I might've gotten one of those instead of this $80 over-price Apple toy.


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Well [/b] it wasn't that long ago that the player was $77 (on sale) at HSN.
The price has really dropped.

It is well worth $25 and it doubles an a handy spare USB flash drive.

In addition this baby [b]plays Ogg Vorbis
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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret, I actually thought that Generic QM-26 ad was a joke page that you linked to.
A $50 2GB MP3/MP4 audio/video player with a color screen had to be a hoax I thought.

Now I'm seeing products like that new on the shelf.
I could not resist one that I saw today so I gave my $25 512MB Delstar MP3 player to my sister and picked up a "low end" eTEC M106S.
I did a search but this device is too new for the web it seems.

$34.88

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Quote: "I hate DRM (Digital Restriction Management).

I will never get an any device which forces me to conform to it, unless I can (legally) turn it off, or bypass it in some form.

That's one of the reasons I use my DS as an MP3 player. The other reason being that I already had the homebrew hardware setup for it"


i dont' know i like it. but it is a corrupt service. some ppl can just mono mix record the songs while there playing them and get free unvirused mp3s.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 17:35
@HB,
let us know how that eTec holds up.


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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 19:18 Edited at: 15th Jul 2007 19:53
Ok Phaelax, and later I'll check if it plays OGGs.

I'm returning it to the store because the mini CD containing some video conversion utilities and the full manual was cracked.

The unit has been charged and loaded so I don't want to exchange it, perhaps they'll open up another pack and just give me that disc.

The e-book function is a waste as a book reader.
The display is reminiscent of a VIC 20.
However it would be perfect as a phone book (read only).
The FM radio tuner sensitivity is decent considering the form factor of the unit, the antenna must be internal and extremely small.
It can be tuned in increments of 0.1 MHz!
The voice recorder works very well.
The jpeg viewer seems limited to small bitmaps ~128 square, but I'll know more when I get the full manual.
It's handy for showing pictures of your sprouts faces.
The AVI that I tried was not recognized.
I'm guessing I'll have to convert most videos to their format.

It is hard to believe that this can be manufactured, packaged with disc, cable, headphones, and an AC to USB power adapter, shipped from Asia, and be sold for only $35 US, and a profit is made!

Perhaps I'll buy another and use that disc instead.

I'm unique, just like everybody else.
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Posted: 16th Jul 2007 00:24
Well got a Creative Zen 4gig a while back had lousy battery file like 4 hours or so...Sold it because of that..

Started using my nokia phone and got tired of that...

So I started looking at getting a player again....
Shopped around for about 4 weeks had a look at apple ipods to zunes
Nothing really got my fancy till I went to game

Newest music player to my list

COLBY CD/DVD/MP3 PLAYER
Pretty much all I ever need again
Plays movies as a added bonus that and has a 1/30 minute buffer.A little big...

Pointless Assault video
http://w13.easy-share.com/1408971.html

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