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Geek Culture / My 1st Website! I would appreciate some feedback regarding design, download speeds etc.

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Scraggle
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Posted: 29th Jun 2007 17:32 Edited at: 29th Jun 2007 17:34
If you have come this far then thank you for bothering to look

I thought it was about time I got rid of the Freewebs site I was using and make my own. So, I have spent the last few days getting one together.
I think everything is ready but it is hard to tell when everything is sat on my hard drive. So, if you wouldn't mind taking a look and letting me know I would be very gratefull.

You've clicked this far you may as well make one more click
The link is on my sig image.

Thank you


[Edit] Which seems to have disappeared

Try the weblink button instead.



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Posted: 29th Jun 2007 17:34 Edited at: 29th Jun 2007 17:37
Fantastic. Now where's the sig image?

Edit: Ok, followed the web link. I like the graphics, and I like dark sites. Buttons look nice. Header banner looks ok. But it does feel very empty until you start choosing pages with lots of graphical content. I think it could do with some sort of bordering graphics around the other edges, and some more consistent framing to the content in the middle. Perhaps a background graphics instead of plain black.

Not bad though. Doesn't hurt my eyes like many website that get posted on here.


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Posted: 29th Jun 2007 17:36
Sig img - i dont see..
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Nice!
Was it an template?
If not - w00t!

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Posted: 29th Jun 2007 17:39 Edited at: 29th Jun 2007 17:43
No it wasn't a template. I used UltraEdit, which is much the same as notepad but with a few tweaks.

Hopefully I should have my sig back with this post ...

Thanks for the feedback.
The plain background was chosen because being my first site I wasn't sure how much graphical content I could put in before it became bogged down. I will look at getting something else in now though.

Thanks



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Posted: 29th Jun 2007 18:13
Cool. I like the layout, and the graphics are nice.

By the way some of the downloadable rars are missing. Also I downloaded Alchemists Apprentice but I can't find the exe!

I was just thinking of starting a domain name website myself, freewebs is pretty limiting. What website/server did you register the name at? (I have no idea how to register a domain name and much less about how to upload my pages once I've got it)

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Posted: 29th Jun 2007 18:48
I dig it! It's at least 250x cooler than the MISoft website hehe, I love the design, very cool. Don't forget to submit it to the TGC webring, give us mods something new to moderate .

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Posted: 29th Jun 2007 19:02
why did you make the background image 3000 pixels long?

also, it looks like you need to start thinking about separating your style sheet into its own CSS file.

there's some pretty funky stuff you can do with CSS with a bit of patience. I saw a really clean and quick way of doing mouse over buttons using one image, the <ul> and <li> tags and CSS in computer arts magazine this month. But unfortunately the tutorial doesn't seem to be online yet, so i can't link it. Buy the magazine instead.

CSS is a bit of a pain to learn, but it's well worth it. By using good CSS you can design web pages that fall away gracefully. By this I mean that the site will still display its information, even if the browser has no Image, CSS or Javascript Support, the <ul> and <li> tags will just display as a bulleted list, as normal.


Its a good site though, and quite a bit of content, and that's what really matters.

I don't have a sig, live with it.
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Posted: 29th Jun 2007 19:20
I think the reason your sig image is not showing is that you have used the wrong link. Use the 'URL Link' from the photobucket page. You have used the 'Share URL'. Better still, now that you have a proper domain is stick the graphic in their and use that URL instead.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2007 19:38 Edited at: 29th Jun 2007 19:39
I looks very nice and complements your black cat

From experience though, working on a coloured background can be annoying, white is so much less hassel.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2007 19:39
Quote: "Also I downloaded Alchemists Apprentice but I can't find the exe!"


I've just tried it myself ... it seems the rar file is corrupt. I am re-uploading as we speak.


Quote: "What website/server did you register the name at?"

Geehost. They are very helpful. 'Talked' (MSN) me through setting up.


Quote: "why did you make the background image 3000 pixels long?"


To ensure that it was big enough to cover everybodies monitor (mine is 2560 pixels wide.

CSS will come later. Small steps, this is my first site.

Thanks to all for the feedback



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Posted: 29th Jun 2007 19:44
Quote: "Use the 'URL Link' from the photobucket page"


I already changed it but as per your suggestion I have now changed it again to the one from my site.
That's why I've double posted ... I want to ensure that it works.

[url=http://www.scraggle.net/Gfx/CentrePiece.jpg[/img][/url]


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Posted: 29th Jun 2007 19:46 Edited at: 29th Jun 2007 20:08
This should be it. Also I have now finished Re-Uploading Alchemists Apprentice so you should be OK downloading it now



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Posted: 29th Jun 2007 20:26
Very smooth and simple to navigate. Loads fairly quick. I like it.



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Posted: 29th Jun 2007 20:43 Edited at: 29th Jun 2007 20:43
It's actually very good. Good interface, easy to navigate.

The only thing I've found was that on the "Kiss my Asp!" page, at the banner at the top, it says "Snake meats fifa meets tron". Just to let you know of a slight spelling mistake.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2007 21:04
For Ballz I get this error:

Quote: "Runtime Error 7006 - Object number illegal at line 934"


Other than that the games are great.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2007 21:23
I'm not a fan of sites using positive contrast (bright text, dark background), it simply hurts my eyes to look at

I like the look, however, and it does load quick.

It sounds like you've not tried to implement CSS here at all, but looking at the source, you already use it a bit where you say style="blah blah;".

Having a 1280x1024 res, there's alot of empty space just floating around.
And, as Fallout said, there's no defined borders, so it seems as though something is missing.

Having the nav butted up hard against the side isn't a good idea, either. Push it in by about 10 pixels, and down from the top.

As a rule of thumb when reading text on a screen, it is usually best to keep lines no longer than 10 to 15 words, just so the eye doesn't wander, and it provides much quicker scanning of the text.

The text on the buttons is a little hard to read. Maybe make the contrast between the text and the button higher. So, make the button darker, maybe get rid of, or lower the white highlight on the tops of the buttons.

I like the style of the buttons and header. Maybe if you can link them up together to get a full, flowing layout, then you'd have quite a slick looking setup

Also, HTML Tidy gives the following warnings:


Having said all that, it's much better than my first website attempt... It was shocking!

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Posted: 29th Jun 2007 22:00
It looks nice, same basic color scheme as my computer task menu ect..

I like the way it looks, but it doesn't load particularly fast for me.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2007 22:01 Edited at: 29th Jun 2007 23:15
Quote: ""Snake meats fifa meets tron"."


Ah good ... you found the deliberate error I've fixed it now.

Quote: "For Ballz I get this error:"

I hadn't realized that I had up loaded the link for Ballz yet. I was going to wait until after the Newsletter. Oh well, it's there now. I will fix the error tomorrow.

@JessT
That's a lot of info, thank you. I am new to WebDev so what can you tell me about the HTML errors you've found? Are any of them major?

Thanks



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Posted: 30th Jun 2007 10:19
Site doesn't load at all for me

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Posted: 30th Jun 2007 10:28
Your website is very impressive scraggle, I was impressed by the layout and how you made everything flow together like that. Excellent website. And I love the cat

Thanks
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Posted: 30th Jun 2007 13:07
Nice site.It looks cool.Downloaded Invaders.Good download speed and it was a nice remake of what is undeniably one of the greatest games of all time.I'm happy.

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Posted: 30th Jun 2007 13:43
Looks very nice Scraggle I especially like the navigation bar and the stuff about the cat.

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Posted: 30th Jun 2007 17:39 Edited at: 30th Jun 2007 17:42
line 135 column 1 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 179 column 1 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 213 column 6 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute

These mean you haven't folowed the law on providing access to dissabled especialy nav buttons the hard of sight need some alt text to describe it when they roll their mouse pointer over it.

What editor did you use? because the other errors seem to be tags missing on the front or back of stuff nothign serious i don't think if you view the page.

Check it both IE and Mozilla/Firefox to be sure.

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Posted: 30th Jun 2007 18:58 Edited at: 30th Jun 2007 19:02
Thanks guys.

Quote: "What editor did you use? "


I hand coded it in Ultra Edit.

OK, it seems there are a few minor errors but I think I can live with that for a first attempt. As for the looks and design. I realize I won't ever be able to please everyone all of the time, so I'll stick with pretty much what I have. Although I will add a more graphic intense backdrop now that I know I can push things a little further.

Thank you



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Posted: 30th Jun 2007 19:09
Random 'error' - I just noticed the "Download" button for DoodleRoids is garbled - it's the wrong size (too tall) and it meses the image up. Minor, but it's there. Nice website though, simple yet concise


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Posted: 30th Jun 2007 19:11
Some higher res screenshot images would be nice

Maybe you could use a lightbox thingy like this forum had for a time.

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Posted: 30th Jun 2007 20:00 Edited at: 30th Jun 2007 22:51
Fixed the Doodleroids download button - Thanks

I will get some higher res screenies in shortly. What's the lightbox thingy?

[Edit] Added hi-res Screenies for Roughnecks and Concetric

Quote: "For Ballz I get this error:"

You won't now! I've fixed the bug and uploaded the new version



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Scraggle, looks good. I would suggest trying a separated CSS and HTML for your next incarnation of your site though, would keep everything consistent and it does make your code neater and easier to maintain.

And for your buttons, check out the awesomeness you can do with CSS (and no javascript)

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Lightbox: Click

I recommend that version for your website, very along the style of your site (dark).

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I think it looks pretty good, I don't like the nav buttons though..(the way they look)

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It's been said 100 times now, but looks great Scraggle

I like it alot.

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It doesn't load for me...
whats the freewebs URL?

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@flibxor
The CSS button thing looks good. I will have a look at that. Thanks

@the_rami
Now I remember the Lightbox thing. I never liked it, so I won't be using it. Thanks though.

@Three Score
I appreciate your input but I like them.

@Dink and everyone else
Thanks for all the comments

[Edit] I've just uploaded a new version of Ballz. No change to the game play but now it encrypts the High Scores.



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Why do my posts seem to be ignored... :S

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Posted: 1st Jul 2007 12:29 Edited at: 1st Jul 2007 12:29
I'm sorry. It's just that you have a bizarre fault. I have no idea why a website won't load for you when it is perfectly fine for everyone else.

Are you using some kind of obscure browser?

The freewebs site is crap and not everything is on it. You would be better trying to fix your browser problem.



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Alrighty, for the errors:



The first, and last, errors, are because you haven't defined a doctype. It's something that goes at the very top of the html to tell a browser how to render the site (different doctypes use different rules if you're anyone except IE).
Pop this into the code (very first thing):


The next is because you're trying to wrap a Block (div) tag in an inline (font) tag. You need to either use CSS to specify the font, or put the font inside the div tag.
It looks like you're trying to set the font for the whole page.
So, to do that, you actually want to set the font of the 'body' tag.
Add:

within the 'style' property of the body tag, then get rid of the font tags you have.
That takes care of the next error "inserting implicit <font>"

"replacing <p> by <br>"
I'm not sure of why this error occurs. It appears that it doesn't like header tags (h2 & h4) being wrapped in a block element (p).
Try simply breaking it down if you need the space (<br />'s).

"inserting "type" attribute"
You need to tell the browser what type of script it is.
To do this, simply add:


"<body> attribute "text" has invalid value "lightgrey""
I don't even know what the 'text' attribute is, care to explain?

"<img> lacks "alt" attribute"
As GatorHex mentions, it means anyone with a text browser, or a blind person, would hate your site... They can't navigate it!
Just add:

into each img tag.

Also, I noticed you're not closing off your image tags.
In HTML 4+, all tags need to be closed, regardless.
To do that for tags that don't actually have a closing, you make it close itself.

For example, a <br> tag needs to be closed, so to close it within itself, you do:
<br />
(as you saw above when talking about <p>.
So, to do it for img, it would be:
<img src="" alt="" />

Once you give the page a Doctype, you'll see more errors pop up as you need to adhere to the HTML format you decide on (the format in the doctype I gave you is 4.01).

There's plenty of rules you need to follow to be strict on your website, sticking to rules provided.
Unfortunately, when the internet was young, noone cared, so now all browsers have to be able to render code that is simply absurd.
It's kind of like if DBP didn't throw errors, and simply did its best with any code you give it as long as it looks remotely like english...

I suggest you grab the Webdeveloper & Html Validator extensions for Firefox, and use the "View Page Source" option in FF so you can see exactly what's going on

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Not a bad site - although the text graphics on the left are a trifle small and hard to read.

Everyone seems to be going for the black background now - obviously black is the new, well, black...

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Scraggle I think you forgot to put the Nebulae.rar file up...

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@JessT
Thank you, there is some good info there. I'll do what I can with it when I return from Honeymoon

@Code Dragon
My Bad! Added the .RAR file now.



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that is one hell of a cool site


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Hmm, think it may be a connection problem, works fine here now....different geographical location though....


Hmm,
I don't like the fact the font seems to change from the main page but I do quite like the colour scheme. I think the menu bar works well perhaps have a red font colour for the current hovering one, possibly.


On the whole...I Like it!

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