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Big Man
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Posted: 6th Jul 2007 21:44
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Ok so im getting to that point in life where i really need to start looking into getting a car...only problem is i cant decide on which car to get :S

My first idea was to get a classic mini and put a body kit on it, sports exhaust etc... then i considered getting my hands on a suzuki sj bt i dunno whether or not to get either as of yet.

Has anyone got any advice?

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Subaru Impreza WRX STi


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Big Man
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ok lol cars that fall under fairly cheap insurance for a 17 yr old

(Jus to let the mods no I have not made it specific as 2 wether or not im 17 )

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Well.. its how much you are about to spend.. Anyways

Toyota Celica is pretty good an cheap on some places (As much i hate toyota i like Celica and Supra)

Then Nissan NX100 would be good too.


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ahh ok thats interesting.

The reason i started this thread was to hopefully get some different ideas...as at the mo im only really thinking about the standard "first cars" such as peugeot 205, mini, vw golf etc....I just wanted to get some different ideas and hopefully come up with something fairly different to what my friends will be getting.

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I looked at getting my first car last month, but when I saw the best offer I could get for my area for even an old 1.4 Astra was around £4500 per year, I went off the idea. Probably best looking at getting down as a named driver as unless you're lucky, the insurance will probably kill you.

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I would suggest a motorcycle .

+ Prices start at around $3,000 (Honda)
+ Spend a lot less on fuel

They are fun aswell.

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Heres a few ideas

Vauxhall Corsa (obviously the older model, not a comfortable drive)
Peugot 106/306 (106 has less room and is much much more fun to drive, 306 is roomier but less fun to drive)
Ford KA (HATE this car, but its one of the cheapest to insure)

But i swear to god, do not put a body kit on those, a few of my friends have and....well, just no.


Also, body kit on a mini...why?


Its not really the price of the car you should be worrying about the most, its the insurance, first cars are fairly cheap to get insured, but as a 17/18 year old driver insurance is still going to be pretty expensive until your 20/21 (depending on the amount you claim of course).


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I see this time and time again. Do you really need a car if you're under 17? All you're going to end up doing is working to pay for your car, even if its a cheap one. Insurance, maintenance, gas, it all adds up.

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Well, RUCCUS, perhaps this dude lives out of biking or skating distance from any job he could get. Maybe he's not in a city with a bus system. You just can't make money without being able to get to work. I wouldn't be able to if I didn't have a car and my dad didn't own his own business.

Personally, Big Man, why are you thinking about getting a car you can mod and detail and all when your worried about it being cheap to insure. Obviously you don't have that kind of money. A wise word is to save that money for your next car. A car far more worthy of modding. If you're 16 or whatever age, this is good time to save up money, before you need to start worrying about bills and crap. You'll be glad you had saved that money later. Believe me. I have an older brother who had totally wrecked his credit due to bad spending / saving habits. I never want that to happen to me. He learned from his mistakes and probably regrets it all.

Now, not saying you are irresponsible or anything. I just don't think it's a good idea to sink all that money into a car when you could save it up for a better one, or a down payment on a house or whatever. Just buy a middle of the road, used car that will last you 4 or 5 years. I don't think it's wise to go all out right off the bat :\

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I totally agree with Agent Dink about saving. I didn't get my first vehicle until I was 21, and I still have it (I'm almost 23 now.) Notice I didn't say "car." This is because I drive around a 1/2 ton Chevy Silverado. For what I do, a small car wouldn't work, lol. I have to haul around cabinets and tools, plus pull a trailer occasionally.

Anyway, do what Agent Dink said and save, save, save, while you can. I had about $6000 saved up before I bought my truck. I found it on eBay for $7500, and paid about $800 to get it here. I borrowed the extra cash for it from a credit card which was offering 0% interest for a year. Even then, it took longer to pay off than I expected. The things like insurance ($Approx. $600/6 months for me), licensing, tax, etc. all add up really, really fast.

Then there's the frustration when a wild teenage girl runs a stop-sign and smashes the back end of your vehicle. Took forever to get it worked out between insurance and the body shop. But, all's good now.

Just be ready for a lot more expense than you think.

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Quote: "Just be ready for a lot more expense than you think."


Very true. Between driving school,insurance, gas, taxes, titles, fees, tickets (let's not try to get any of those), accidents (those too...), You'll be spending thousands a year for the privilege to drive. Sucks big time, but that's life

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Holy crap! I just looked at Quicken to see how much it's cost me to drive around this year, and I almost had a heart attack!

Here's the breakdown:
Fuel: $919.27
Insurance: $577
Services, new tires, repairs, etc: $1591.87

Total cost: $3088.14

Just a dose of reality for you.

Edit: Forgot the $82 for a traffic tikcet. I still claim the light was orange when I entered the intersection.

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Cheapest transport is...
I did 4 years of uni traveling 14miles a day on a mountain bike, had to buy about 4 tyres and 2 sprockets and a set of pedals (all wore out!)

Insurance is an issue with you 1st car:
My 1st car was an Astra 1.6 but after the insurance quotes near £2000($4000) it was sold 1 week later and i got a Fiat Panda about £800($1600) to insure! When buying an original mini remember it's gona be like very old, unsafe and rusty. I resprayed my brothers in Hammerite to try to stop it rusting!

My two favoirite cheap sporty cars are:
Best = Daihatsu Coure(Mira) Avanzato TRXX-R4 660cc Turbo Twin-cam 16v 4x4
as the above is a rare find try..
2nd = Fiat Seicento Sporting Arbarth Kit (Probably £1000-1500 to buy and as it's body kitted up you wont need to waste money on it, cheap to fuel/insure 1100cc)
3rd = If your parent want to buy something new the Toyota Aygo Sport is nice and does 65mpg so only £50 tax!

If you do your own body kit insurers will punish you because they will say the car is modified! If you don't tell them then your driving without insurance as they won't honor it!

Biggest mistake I ever made was selling my mini Turbo car Jap Kie class rocks!


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Lincoln Continental definitely!!!




EDIT: The real nice ones like I showed can be up to $50,000; but you can buy them as low as $300

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I'm with you on that one Zaibatsu... Those old boats are such awesome cars... I'm gonna get one someday and totally pimp it out.

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oh cool this has really given me something to think about guys thanks.

Im deffinately gonna go for a fairly cheap car and ill be a named driver on ma dads insurance who has many many years of no claims lol.

I think my idea of the suzuki sj is the one which i am giving the most thought...a lot of my mates have them and they tell me that they dont cost much to buy, they dont cost much to insure (As a named driver) and they are lots of fun.

I think however i am going to take my time thinking over what you guys have said, if anyone else has any suggestions please feel free it would still help me a great deal

Thanks again

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Quote: "Holy crap! I just looked at Quicken to see how much it's cost me to drive around this year, and I almost had a heart attack!"


Oh man, you have it easy!

Here's my costs: the breakdown:
Fuel: £250/month - £3000 ($6000!!)
Insurance: £1200 ($2400)
Services, new tires, repairs, etc: £2000 ($4000)
Road tax + MOT: £200 ($400)
Other expenses: £120

Total cost: £6520 ($13000!!!)



I never have any money anymore.

Btw, for a first car, I would recommend a civic hatch if you want to keep the costs down. Insurance will be a touch higher, but maintenance will be half that of a pug (or any other french car).


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Quote: "Do you really need a car if you're under 17?"
That will be a big NO in the UK. Considering you cannot legally get a driving licence until you are 17...

Heh, and hyrichter's costs were amusing. Come to the UK where they love to smack drivers around! Always have to laugh at fuel costs too... What is it in the UK now for 98/99 Fallout?

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Oh, and yeah, don't do the Barryboy thing with it. Please...

[href]www.barryboys.co.uk[/href] (Do links not work anymore BTW?)

This is a good example of "shed of the week" BTW:-



Heh, you always have to love how it slows the original gran's shopping trolley effort right down. Watched a show once with this nonce in a 1 litre pug who had done his car right out (abortion theme by the looks of things) and had 4 huge exhausts on the back. Apparently he got well annoyed by standard versions of his car (and small children on bikes I would imagine) leaving him in their wake at the traffic lights (probably as a bus overtook the standard car).

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Heh, doesnt look like they do work anymore, thats odd.

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If you are about to turn 17 then i would definately hold off getting a car, i have friends that have failed their driving test more than 3 times and after 40-50 lessons, at 20-22 quid a lesson its going to be mightily expensive even for just lessons, a lot of people don't realise how expensive driving really is.


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Fuel: £250/month - £3000 ($6000!!)

What the hell are you driving, a tank? No wonder the world is running out of oil

I do about 40 miles a 5 days a week and my fuels cost is £35($70) a month, £420($840) a year and I'm in fuel expensive UK where we pay 75% tax!!

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I practically got my car free. I just had to do some work to get it. I found a guy with an 86' Volvo wagon for $35. Everything was in working order save for the engine (which got blown out). So, I worked at his automotive store for about 3 weeks until I 'worked off' the engine. So my car only cost me $35 and some work!

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i suppose i should watch my fuel spending too, but i don't because i'm lucky to get paid rather well for teaching.

Basically, i do 12 mile commute to work, 24 miles a day, 5 days a week, not including my sunday and saturday drives around with my girlfriend...god, i hate ikea.


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Quote: "I do about 40 miles a 5 days a week and my fuels cost is £35($70) a month"
Bloody hell, thats pretty good. I used to do 34 miles a day (5 days a week) in my old Scoobie (upto last November), and it cost more than that every week. And I hardly went anywhere else but work!

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LOL, someone just said to me today, "OMG the fuel light has started blinkin", I replied, "don't worry until it goes solid, there's another week of driving left yet"

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Quote: "Toyota Celica is pretty good an cheap on some places (As much i hate toyota i like Celica and Supra)"

I agree. I almost bought a celica GTS, but after I sat in it, it was just too small.

Hey Fallout, how many wrecks have you had? Cause I have 3 cars and my insurance is half of yours.


Quote: "Bloody hell, thats pretty good. I used to do 34 miles a day (5 days a week) in my old Scoobie"

I live about 7 miles from work, but do a fair bit of driving on the weekends. On average I'd say I fill up once a week.


As for what car to get, don't waste money on a body kit that you'll probably never have money to paint to the same color as the rest of the car and put an exhaust on a tiny engine to make a sound similiar to that of an angry can of bees. Put that money towards a nicer car. I'm not a honda fan, but I'd recommend one as a first car. Generally more dependable when you have to buy something old and used and they're easy on gas.


Here's my first car, $700 '89 dodge daytona. Used to cost me $12 to fill up my tank. But that was back when gas was $1/gallon. It got great mileage too.



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Quote: "Used to cost me $12 to fill up my tank"


Well, that would be much closer to 36$ now... I thought it was ok when it only cost 24$ for my tank

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Quote: "I thought it was ok when it only cost 24$ for my tank"

...And I thought it was ok when it only cost $58 to fill my tank. Last time it was $81.

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Quote: "Always have to laugh at fuel costs too... What is it in the UK now for 98/99 Fallout?"


I don't look mate. I don't really have any choice, so I try not to pay attention. It's over £1 anyway.

Quote: "Fuel: £250/month - £3000 ($6000!!)

What the hell are you driving, a tank? No wonder the world is running out of oil"


Skyline GTR. 2.6 Twin Turbo! When you hear the air filter gulping in air, you know the fuel is getting guzzled too. In reality, I probably spend £200/month, but the months when I'm doing a lot of travelling at the weekends, it cranks right up. When I sell this car, I'm going to get a 1 Litre Diesel.


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It's hovering just under £1 a litre here, the truckers blocked up the motorways last time it went over.

So that works out at about $7.50 per gallon!

75% of it is tax so you can see why Brits (excluding Fallout ) go for fuel efficient cars on the whole.

I've always said this global warming thing is a cover for the oil running out

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Quote: "Hey Fallout, how many wrecks have you had? Cause I have 3 cars and my insurance is half of yours."


None. I have 7 years no claims bonus! So that £1200 is with a 60% discount.


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I've changed my mind, you should get an Isetta! lol...

two people can pick this thing up its so small. You might be able to get one for free they sucked so badly...




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Great '91 Celica commercials
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzJSJYMZlkQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYpRnnG7_xs

They're a nice 90's coupe but they're a little too common for my liking (see them on the road all the time) and the insurance would be too much for a first car.


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Quote: "Hey Fallout, how many wrecks have you had? Cause I have 3 cars and my insurance is half of yours."
Yep, thats just our fantastic car friendly country. If Fallout was 20 years old with that car they probably wouldn't give him insurance. He does have one of the highest cars to insure below supercar level though...

Quote: "go for fuel efficient cars on the whole"
I wouldn't exactly say that, but definitely much more than the US. I remember an article in one of the mags where someone drove a Smart across the US for something like £80. Got a lot of attention. Everyone thought it was an electric car (fair enough). When he told one women it ran on petrolium (ie. petrol) she said "is that some new kind of gas?". Bless.



Oh, and I read somewhere a little while back that reckoned car insurance was so stupid in the UK (especially for people under 21 years old) that a lot of younger people were not bothering to insure their car as now the fine for not insuring it is less than the cost to insure. Nice...

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Why do Americans insist on calling it gas when it's a liquid?

I agree with the insurance thing, in may cases the insurance costs more than the car does, and people don't realise it insures more than just the value of car it also insures you agains damage claims.

If your car is junk go third party, but don't go without

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Quote: "Why do Americans insist on calling it gas"
*Gas*oline. It's another word for petrolium. We weren't exactly more original calling it petrol...

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Let's all just call it 'fuel' and there won't be any issues.


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Quote: "Yep, thats just our fantastic car friendly country. If Fallout was 20 years old with that car they probably wouldn't give him insurance. He does have one of the highest cars to insure below supercar level though..."


It is interesting how our insurance has groups ... 1 to 20. So you get a nice indication of insurance costs, until you get to group 20, which means absolutely bugger all. Basically it can either be a shade over group 19 cars, or tens of thousands of pounds. So my car is in the same group as a lot of BMW saloons, as well as a Diablo, Enzo, NSX etc. Whoever made up the grouping system obviously got to 20 and got bored.


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Yep, is a bit stupid. Apparently if you make your living as a programmer then the cost goes up a bit. Come to think of it though, the amount of nutter drivers in my company who are programmers is quite a high percentage...

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Yeah it does. My insurance went up when I changed my profession from student to programmer. There's something seriously wrong with that! Apparently either us programmers can't drive, or we're all riding about in supercars, and therefore when we write them off, we're causing the insurance companies a packet.


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Nah, I think programmers just tend to want faster cars. Better wages and all that. So the chances of crashing goes up. It's all to do with the crashing stats.

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Posted: 10th Jul 2007 21:54
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well i think im goin for an austin mini 1.1litre im goin on my dads insurance as a namd driver which churchill will do for a shade over £550 a year (I researched ) it doesnt even drink that much petrol or so i have been told lol

Thanks for your input guys it definatley has helped make a decision and got me thinkin about petrol costs and other running costs...im aiming to get hold of one during august this year

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Posted: 10th Jul 2007 22:12 Edited at: 10th Jul 2007 22:12
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Quote: "well i think im goin for an austin mini 1.1litre"


what was wrong with the Isetta...

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hmmm let me think...everything haha

Thanks again for your help guys

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Posted: 11th Jul 2007 16:41
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yeah, it probably doesn't meet any safety regulations anymore. It was a post-WWII minicar

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Posted: 11th Jul 2007 16:54
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Yeah, agreed, insurance group 20 is stupid to compair the cost of repairing Skyline with that of a Ferrari Enzo

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Posted: 11th Jul 2007 19:16
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Insurance groups don't really mean anything I found. Just the price that comes out of the company for you at the time is all that matters. Only advantage with insurance groups is they should give you an idea which cars will cost you more.

Biggest thing with insurance is to shop around. Especially for cars that expect to get high insurance prices. Originally my Subaru went from anywhere between £750 and £1500 depending on the company. All for the same cover (when everything such as amount of excess is considered etc) pretty much.

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Yeah. Mine was initially £680, until Churchil changed their policy on modifications. Air filter and exhaust, adding no more than 30 bhp (about 10%), doubles the premium. CLOWN SHOES!!!! Suddenly they cost the same as the other cheapies.


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