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heartbone
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Posted: 12th Jul 2007 03:59
LONDON - Scientists want Internet users to help them sort through an unusual digital photo album: pictures of about 1 million galaxies. In a Web statement Wednesday, astronomers asked for volunteers to help classify the galaxies, identifying them as either elliptical or spiral, and noting, where possible, in which

It would the largest galactic census ever compiled, something scientists say would provide new insight into the structure of the universe.

"We're in the golden era of astronomy," said Bob Nichol, an astronomer at the University of Portsmouth, in southern England, who helped develop the "Galaxy Zoo" Web site where the photographs are posted. "We have more data than we can assimilate, and we need help."

Astronomers say computer programs have been unable to reliably classify the star systems. Without volunteers, it would take researchers years to wade through the photographs, which were taken automatically by a massive digital camera mounted onto a telescope at the Apache Point Observatory near Sunspot, New Mexico, Nichol said. With 10,000 to 20,000 people working to classify the galaxies, the process could take as little as a month.

Volunteers would sign on to the Web site, complete a brief tutorial, and pick through one galaxy after another.

The galaxies would be identified by several people to guard against errors, and scientists would rule on galaxies whose shape or spin was disputed by volunteers.

The catalog would help researchers understand how galaxies interacted and the way in which they formed, Nichol said, explaining that scientists still knew very little about galaxies beyond the fact that some were spiral-shaped while others were elliptical.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070711/ap_on_sc/britain_galaxy_zoo_2;_ylt=AmSgwTV.5sud3jk4ogsQki4E1vAI

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http://www.galaxyzoo.org/
Registration is open.

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Posted: 12th Jul 2007 06:57 Edited at: 12th Jul 2007 07:03
Tried this out, basically you end up staring at a bunch of fuzzy blobs trying to figure out if the spiral goes clockwise or anti-clockwise or if someone just sneezed on the lens again...

EDIT: Was still flipping through the pics as I wrote this, here is a pretty good one actually..

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Posted: 12th Jul 2007 08:50
Why is there no 'spiral' option? some of them are quite obviously spirals but are neither side on, or have any discernible direction.

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Posted: 12th Jul 2007 22:00 Edited at: 12th Jul 2007 22:03
I found it hard to classify this one.


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Posted: 12th Jul 2007 22:16 Edited at: 12th Jul 2007 22:19
i signed up, its a good way to whittle away a few minutes while bored.

edit: darkcoder: it says to click "side on" if you know its a spiral, but can't tell its direction.

edit (again): woot found a merger!

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We are just a speck in the universe...

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We are *not even* a speck in the universe...

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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 16:42
Kinda cool when you look at them. You just think to yourself, "I am almost certainly looking at living things"

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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 19:20
Not really, when you look at the mathematical odds of life appearing from nowhere. There are more 0's in that equation, past the point of mathematical probability. But it's always fun to dream I guess

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Gimme a break There are more galaxies than there are grains on sand on the planet.. I bet ET is looking at us now saying "What? They think we don't exist? We'll show them! "

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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 19:38
Quote: "Not really, when you look at the mathematical odds of life appearing from nowhere."

You actually believe there is a realistic equation for the odds of life existing elsewhere?

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Quote: "You actually believe there is a realistic equation for the odds of life existing elsewhere?"


and wouldn't that equation be based on the known facts of our own galaxy, or do we assume that every galaxy in the universe is identical?

But as for help sorting them out, they'd have to pay me to to that.

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Quote: "known facts of our own galaxy"

Yes, we count up all the planets that have life and get the average

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If there is intelligent life out there they sure aren't going to stop here.

Please have mercy and use the search function.
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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 22:35 Edited at: 13th Jul 2007 22:41
There are around 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the universe.

I don't like the odds that only 1 star has one planet orbiting it with life on it.

It's not like i trust NASA to tell use the truth if they find it anyway because they keep tinting the mars photos red (allegidly)

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Quote: "they keep tinting the mars photos red (allegidly)"


Ha! Are you talking about the mars rover? Their problem is their cameras don't have filters at the same wavelengths as normal cameras. (I guess it's better for their scientific data). Instead of red,green,blue, they have infrared, green, voilet or something like that. When they combine them into a picture, the colors are all screwed up.
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Quote: "Ha! Are you talking about the mars rover? Their problem is their cameras don't have filters at the same wavelengths as normal cameras. (I guess it's better for their scientific data). Instead of red,green,blue, they have infrared, green, voilet or something like that. When they combine them into a picture, the colors are all screwed up."


Leastwise, that's what they tell you


Just joking around, I have no idea.

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Posted: 14th Jul 2007 03:09
Quote: "Gimme a break There are more galaxies than there are grains on sand on the planet.. "


Hey, I'm not making this up. Do some research and you'll find that the odds of life appearing from nowhere is greater than the number mathematicians use to determine whether something has the probability of occurring.

Quote: "You actually believe there is a realistic equation for the odds of life existing elsewhere?"


Micro-biologists will tell you the complexities involved in the makeup of even a single cell, so yes, there are estimations to the odds of this just appearing from thing air. And believe me, there are a lot of zero's

And before some of you get uppity on me, these are found from sources that are impartial to evolution/creationism.

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I still think that with the universe being as huge as it is, there is life in many places in each galaxy.

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Quote: "Micro-biologists will tell you the complexities involved in the makeup of even a single cell, so yes, there are estimations to the odds of this just appearing from thing air."

Who says life has to be cell based?

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Well, life as we know it on Earth is cell-based. If you're talking about life in other dimensions or outside of the scope of what we know on Earth, then obviously I can't argue with you. Sure, if you're willing to imagine there being life outside of physical laws, then be my guest

Quote: "I still think that with the universe being as huge as it is, there is life in many places in each galaxy."


Well, you can also believe there's dinosaurs alive at this very moment on remote parts of the Earth if you'd like, and really I can't argue with that. I'm just giving it to you in ways that I know how.

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Quote: "Sure, if you're willing to imagine there being life outside of physical laws, then be my guest"

Oh well if you have all the answers to this, be my guest and explain how you know a different kind of life can't exist elsewhere. It may be impossible with our laws of physics - but then that argument is rather narrow-minded considering not everything about physics is currently understood.

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Quote: "Oh well if you have all the answers to this, be my guest and explain how you know a different kind of life can't exist elsewhere. "


I never claimed to have all the answers. Obviously humans only know about life as we know it on Earth, so don't belittle me. I have enough issues to worry about, thank you.

Honestly, if you want to talk sci-fi, there are probably many other people here who would love to think up different ways that life can exist on different planets All I can speak for is what we know on Earth, and that all life is made up of cells. Obviously that is all we know, and all I can argue.

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Quote: "Honestly, if you want to talk sci-fi, there are probably many other people here who would love to think up different ways that life can exist on different planets"

What's this then, if it's not belittling? You're basically implying that anyone that believes in something different to what we know is just someone that fantasizes. That's twice so far.

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Quote: "What's this then, if it's not belittling? You're basically implying that anyone that believes in something different to what we know is just someone that fantasizes. That's twice so far."


Honestly, why do you always have to twist what I say? I just said life as we know it on Earth is cell-based. I also claimed to not know everything, and am quite open to hear ideas.

Obviously the only way people can talk about life outside of how we know it on Earth, is to guess. Do you agree? We can only imagine what kinds of life exists outside of the Earth, as we've never witnessed it. That's not belittling You telling me I'm talking like I have all the answers is belittlement, because I've never claimed that, ever.

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Quote: "I just said life as we know it on Earth is cell-based. I also claimed to not know everything, and am quite open to hear ideas."

Of course, that's not what I quoted though.

I'm sorry if I come off as hostile, I just don't like the idea of people oppressing the ideas of others, which to me it looked like you were doing, indirectly.

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Hey I'm not bringing religion into this at all, so I expect you to respect the AUP too And just so you know I don't prescribe typically to religion either, so I don't see your point.

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Quote: "Hey I'm not bringing religion into this at all, so I expect you to respect the AUP too"

Yeah, I'll edit it.

Quote: "so I don't see your point"

It doesn't matter.

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i don't even agree that humans have the capacity to even begin to understand how the universe works. Except for me cause I am awesome like doctor who.

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Quote: "Not really, when you look at the mathematical odds of life appearing from nowhere. There are more 0's in that equation, past the point of mathematical probability. But it's always fun to dream I guess"


It depends on your definition of life really.
I mean given the odd that have often been claimed against it, then oh look life was discovered on Io.

Alright so it doesn't even have any form to it, but at the end of the day macrobiotics are still life.

The reality is that the chance of life (even if we only include carbon cell structure like ourselves) isn't astronomical. In-fact there are as much chance of it happening as there is of a planet being born. Given just like planets, all that is required is a catalyst for common molecules strains.

We can predict a chance for this quite accurately now, given our knowledge of the universe. What we can't predict however is not only a life form reaching (or further along) evolutionary ladders that we are... or even if we'll ever know.. or if they're even in our galaxy.

For now I think ppl should concentrate on what we know, and expanding on that knowledge rather than speculating about what we don't. I mean it's nice to have an imagination, but it does no good if it doesn't help us expand what we know to make a real estimation rather than something we pull out of our arse. Right now that's what the probability for life in the unverse is; a statistic, not a fact or even educated estimation.

And it's something that was made up years ago now, to make us feel good to be all unique and gods only creation. Personally I refuse to believe it until someone can physically proove with facts to back up that it is actually beyond probability. Until then I'm just going to believe there's a slim chance.

I mean it's like when we didn't have sea travel, no doubt those in England although they could see France probaby thought "I wonder if there are people there too?" Without physically going to france, it wasn't something that could be proven and there are quite a few stories from sea-travel and other nations of areas that were unknown. Nowadays having mapped most of the globe and actually actively tried to proove/disprove things (like Dragons) while we're still not entirely sure, we can atleast come up with accurate theories on them rather than just making it up on the spot based on our beliefs.

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I have a set of encyclopedias at home - I think they are dated 1952 - that say it is impossible to get to the moon, because it would take too many life times to travel the distance. How long ago was it that the earth was flat, and how long will it be before we are not the only life form in the universe?

Who knows.

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Quote: "and how long will it be before we are not the only life form in the universe?"


Quite long unless we build the warp drive

Why do people speak of odds of life appearing when we only have knowledge of(some of) this solar system, it's not like we can base the odds on anything as we haven't seen many planets.

Quote: "then oh look life was discovered on Io"


By Captain Picard commanding his pumpkin powered Tardis I assume?

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Quote: "that say it is impossible to get to the moon, because it would take too many life times to travel the distance"


Rofl... what were they planning to power their spacecraft with? A horse and buggy?

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Quote: "Rofl... what were they planning to power their spacecraft with? A horse and buggy? "


I have'nt seen the article in a while, but I remember there was a picture of an airplane flying toward the moon. The point being, our thoughts on the matter are limited to our current knowlege, which is almost always wrong.

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Quote: "I have'nt seen the article in a while, but I remember there was a picture of an airplane flying toward the moon. The point being, our thoughts on the matter are limited to our current knowlege, which is almost always wrong."


Prop planes in space is almost as funny as horses

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Quote: "10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000"


I seriously doubt someone was able to compute how many stars there are in the universe, considering a) we think the universe is already infinitely huge and expanding, b) stars come in different sizes, and c) some theories suggest there being multiple universes.
So... that number means nothing.


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Quote: "By Captain Picard commanding his pumpkin powered Tardis I assume?"


Or NASA about 3-4years back... I mean whatever organisation you believe more in.

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Quote: "I mean given the odd that have often been claimed against it, then oh look life was discovered on Io."


There's no way. Show me an article where they discovered life on another planet.

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Jeez Jeku get with the times... next thing you're going to tell us is you didn't know humans landed on Mars and threw a BBQ with the green dudes from the giant face.

Pff.


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Quote: "I think they are dated 1952"


quite funny seeing as it was only 17 years later that they went to the moon. Not even 14 years before they started trying and then it was only another 4 years till they got to the dark side of the moon. SHINE ON YOU CRAZY DIAMONDS!

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