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Geek Culture / mongo skates - my skate company - video of making the first deck

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RUCCUS
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Posted: 12th Jul 2007 04:23 Edited at: 12th Jul 2007 15:32
If you have the time, please rate / comment on the youtube video. Id like it to get semi-popular so I can generate some more interest in the skater audience at youtube.

Over the summer Ive been working on starting up a skate company called mongo skates. I'm focusing on making the decks from scratch out of Canadian sugar maple veneers (what the pros use), and then silk screening my graphics on them. I've already got a bunch of decks designed, and have contacts with companies that can get me the veneers and paints for really good prices.

Anyways, this video shows how I made the first deck. Its mainly a prototype / template for the other decks, because its made out of thinner-than-usual birch veneer. Took me about 3 days to finish the press, here it is;

The First Deck

In a few weeks Ill have the proper veneers and the press perfected. I think Ill be able to sell the decks for around 35 dollars, 45 for a custom design. Should have a website up in a few weeks as well.

Im going to Wakestock in Toronto to try and get the name known, along with checking out the new skatepark being opened at Ellesemere in Scarborough for more promotion.

Ill update as I work more on them. Should have a proper deck made in the next week if all goes well.

- RUC'


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Posted: 12th Jul 2007 04:50
Cool.

(I left a bigger comment on the actual video.)

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Posted: 12th Jul 2007 05:06
Not to bad lookin

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Posted: 12th Jul 2007 06:56
Cool, so did you actually learn somewhere how to make them or just do it from your own experience with skateboards? Only problem I see is that if it takes you 3 days for one board, then $35 every three days isn't very much .


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Posted: 12th Jul 2007 08:15
Cold enough for a toque? I can't imagine--- today it was 33-37 degrees here.

Nice vid though.

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Posted: 12th Jul 2007 10:41
Nice video, but maybe I missed the part where you actually made the deck?

I saw you with a huge hunk of wood with a curve shaped like a deck taken out of it, but I never actually saw you bend the wood to it... Maybe I just missed it somewhere in the over-exposed video?

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Posted: 12th Jul 2007 11:32
Now that he has the jig made, making more boards will take a fraction of the time.

I think though that the jig is a bit overkill. Like because you have the full shape of the deck as a mould, I don't think you have the same flexibility as you would if you'd say, used simple blocks to bend the wood. I think the deck may be less flexible because it's set in that exact shape, if you had a block at the front and back to bend the board up, one in the middle, then a top piece to bend it in, I think that makes for a more flexible board. Maybe worth throwing a simpler jig together and making another deck with it, so you can compare.

The deck manufacturers use simple block jigs that are held together with hand clamps and butterfly fasteners.

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Posted: 12th Jul 2007 11:34
nice vid

Quote: "Cold enough for a toque? I can't imagine--- today it was 33-37 degrees here."


where i live it was 120 degrees i live in teh u.s. in las vegas down south lol

haha lets rock this world.
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Posted: 12th Jul 2007 15:28 Edited at: 12th Jul 2007 15:33
Heh, I always wear toques. Hot or not.

Van's right about the jig (press), that was the main part of the video. I skipped past me putting the veneers in the jig and compressing it, kind of got bored of taping. It only takes about 12 hours to make the actual deck (have to let the glue try).

Van about the flexibility, you actually don't want decks to be flexible. All major companies use huge hydrological-powered presses with steel in place of the wood I used, shaped to the exact shape of the board. The stiffer the board, the more control / pop you get out of it. Instead of adding flex, you add concave to the board to give the extra pop.

I learnt what I'd need / how to make the decks from spending like a week of doing insane research. I started talking to an editor of Transworld Magazine (the biggest skating magazine in the world, they do skate videos as well). He got really into what I was trying to do and gave me contacts with some of the major deck producing companies like Almost's deck suppliers. I could've just bought blank decks from them, put my graphics on, but I managed to find their veneer supplier (who's located really close to me), and he's able to sell me very cheap veneers, with professional grade makes.

$35 is actually an amazing price. Blank decks sell for around $60 at West 49. Pro models can be anywhere from $90 and up. My decks are made from better wood than the West blanks, and have the concave of pro boards, so ATM Im seeing my decks as being in the middle of blank and pro. "Almost like a pro, cheaper than a blank".

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Shadow, I think he was talking Celsius.

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Thanks for all the comments,
- RUC'


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Posted: 12th Jul 2007 15:39
Ah, good to hear it

If you do another video, you should rig up a little tripod or somesuch to film an over-the-shoulder kind of view so we can see exactly what you're doing then muscle you out of your new business

I hope everything kicks off with what you're doing, sounds like it should be a fun endevour!

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Posted: 12th Jul 2007 15:44
Yeah, flexible was not a good choice of word.

What I'm thinking is that your putting wood under stress so it takes on the shape of your jig, but it's taking on the exact shape - if you used blocks instead, the wood might bend more naturally, making a more resiliant board. I'm no expert of course, just something that crossed my mind. I'm sure your decks are well worth the money - you just have to make a dozen more jigs so you can get a production run going .

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Posted: 12th Jul 2007 15:45
lookin good mate I'm all for entrepreneurs.

With your programming skillzors, you could obliterate the competition by setting up a form page to collect anyones designs and they then get their own personal board, as well as designing your own styles.

You could even demo the designs in a halfpipe 3d game, free to use with your designs and payment to load your own per say, which would just blow other competition out of the water, 3d halfpipe for the virtual shoppers

I wish you all the best, what your doing is exciting mate.

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Posted: 12th Jul 2007 16:42
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nice work on the board, hope to see some good decks soon

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Posted: 12th Jul 2007 19:24
Van I see what you mean. It actually doesnt put much stress at all on because its not 1 thick sheet of wood, its 7 thin sheets of veneer. Each sheet of veneer can literally bend itself into a cylinder with a diameter of like 5 or 6 centimeters without cracking at all, so it's really bendable, no trouble in the press.

Indi :p good idea, I might just do that.

Thanks Mr Makealotofsmoke.


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Posted: 12th Jul 2007 19:25
Van I see what you mean. It actually doesnt put much stress at all on because its not 1 thick sheet of wood, its 7 thin sheets of veneer. Each sheet of veneer can literally bend itself into a cylinder with a diameter of like 5 or 6 centimeters without cracking at all, so it\'s really bendable, no trouble in the press.

Indi good idea, I might just do that.

Thanks Mr Makealotofsmoke. Yeah we're renovating the entire house, adding on new rooms, redoing all the support work, lots of work to do.


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Posted: 12th Jul 2007 19:48
errr, typo at the end? "ceated by"?
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Posted: 12th Jul 2007 20:16
Quote: "$35 is actually an amazing price. "

I know it is, what I'm saying is that it's too cheap on your part, not too expensive . I meant that $35 for 3 days isn't enough .


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Posted: 12th Jul 2007 20:24
Mongo can be an insult, here in the UK. I'm not going to say who you use it against.

Its just, when I read 'Mongo' I automatically think of the thing I can't really say without being slapped for it.

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Posted: 12th Jul 2007 20:33
gave it 5 stars

good luck with it all

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Posted: 12th Jul 2007 20:57 Edited at: 12th Jul 2007 20:58
Gil, Van already pointed out... it took 3 days to make the press. Now that the press is made, the decks only take 12 hours to make.

Higgins, mongo is a skate term that means pushing with your front foot on the back of the deck. Pushing mongo is a sign of a poor skater and you usually end up looking like a fool doing it since your legs start spreading farther and farther apart as you push. I chose mongo because it has a ring to it and can be used as a double meaning, "I skate mongo" could be good or bad now.

Heres a video of Bam making fun of people that push mongo:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_Li-2eKlGuM&mode=related&search=

Venge, damn, really wish I caught that ><. Takes too long to process again.


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Posted: 14th Jul 2007 22:54
Whats your nick on [sv], i remember talkin to you a few weeks back i think
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Posted: 16th Jul 2007 00:32
chiken-foot, and sometimes mongo.


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Posted: 16th Jul 2007 01:03
Ruccus would be a cool skate company name too

Nice, you've got some talent there. Good luck with the money.

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Posted: 16th Jul 2007 03:11 Edited at: 16th Jul 2007 03:12
man this seems like a good idea i really hope u go with this. hows ur deck designs coming?

Edit: i don't want to sound like a skate n00b since i haven't skated in like 3 years but r u making a skate shop or this only for ur team

haha lets rock this world.
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Posted: 16th Jul 2007 04:45 Edited at: 16th Jul 2007 05:11
how complex of graphics can you do? ever dabbled in ??? boards(spelling?)? i use to have one but i broke it several years ago...and do you ship to the US?

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alright, got the name wrong, but i can't find the right name on google anywhere. The skateboard was broken into three sections. One section would be strapped to one foot, and another to your other foot. Then they were connected by a the third part usually a metal bar. And you have free motion with your feet, and you moved and rotated them back and forth to move. Can't think of the name..oh well.

oh, and it's not a wave board, it doesn't rotate on the binding bar's long axis, but perpendicular to it.


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Posted: 16th Jul 2007 12:08
Video looks cool. A bit too bright.

I think that a good angle to take would be to make some awesome skating videos using your boards. If you do that then skaters might be impressed. It would prove what your boards are capable of.


Come see the WIP!
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Shadow: The skateshop is basically my garage / room. Yeah I'll probably ship to the U.S but I'll charge for s/h.

Blastwave: I think I know the board you're talking about... its kind of a gimmick.

Cash: Yeah thats totally what we're planning on doing. A few of my friends are almost at the level to be sponsored for AM, so we're all going to go out to either the skatepark by their place, or just street skate for a bit, and show off how the decks handle. Im also gona make a test deck that I'll dunk in water, leave to dry, and see how soggy it gets.


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Posted: 17th Jul 2007 09:45
Are waterproof decks common? Would one be any good? My son's boards basically get ruined if they get wet, maybe one that performed well and could be ridden when it was wet out would be a big hit. Maybe treating the wood would ruin it for skateboarding, I wouldn't know. I'm not sure about the glue either, but epoxy works great on wood too.


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Posted: 17th Jul 2007 23:06
No :p I wasnt saying my decks would be waterproof, but a deck should be able to stand up to some water and not turn to complete mush. Are you buying your son quality boards or wall-mart ones? A lot of people dont realize that the decks not sold in proper skate shops are made from really weak birch veneer (because its amazingly cheap, around $3 per board) along with weak glues.

If your son's deck does get wet (at all, even if its just a little damp), it may seem a little destructive but the best way to get the water out of the board is to whip it down onto the ground (grip side hitting the ground) as hard as you can. Unless the board is already on the verge of dying, this really doesnt do any damage if you hit it right, and almost all of the water will shoot out. You'll see in a lot of pro videos when they're skating in the rain they
ll constantly be whipping their boards down on a dry spot, it really helps.

But yeah waterproof decks would be a huge seller, water is one of the top things that ruin a board.


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