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Kieran
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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 11:55 Edited at: 15th Jul 2007 12:10
Hey all! I just got a fish tank with 9 new fish in it

These are the fish I have
-Black Angelfish: shy and hides alot
-Striped Angelfish: Likes people, hangs out with black angelfish
-Serpae Tetra: Swims around alone, doesn't hide
-Neon Tetra x4: Hangs out in a school together, very shiny
-Glowlight Tetra: Sometimes with Neon Tetras, hides alot
-Bristlenose Catfish: Neat Freak, cleans the tank by eating mess off things (A.K.A The Catuum Cleaner)

Anyways they are healthy, generally keep the tank clean and are cool to watch. They make a nice decoration for the room

Decided to upload some pics, although they aren't very good ones lol!








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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 12:06
Cool. Have they tried eating each other yet?

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Kieran
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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 12:08
LOL! The angelfish are known to be violent but other than that nothing seems to be a problem. So far they aren't attacking each other.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 12:08 Edited at: 15th Jul 2007 12:09
capacaty of tank? make shore you dont overstock it

change about 1/10 of the water weekly, with water that has been standing for at lest 24 howers. then you should never have any probs

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Kieran
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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 12:18
@hessiess
Yeah I think I have bought a few too many so when they start to grow I will give them to my friend who has a massive tank.
DW, I know how to look after them and I have bought the best stuff I could to ensure they stay healthy. I clean the tank once every 8 weeks and do a 50% water change every 2 weeks. Thanks though

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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 12:46
Quote: "Just got pee fish!"

Sorry to hear that


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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 13:02
Quote: "Sorry to hear that "

Sorry but you need to work on your quoting skills.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 14:56 Edited at: 15th Jul 2007 15:50
There is always one fish who is bigger than the others and bullies them.

I had some minnows in with two different kinds of tetra. The minnows seemed to bully them and some were going missing so I moved the minnows into the garden pond where they are now the smallest fish, ha justice!

However the bullying continued one of the Tetra got bigger than the others and bosses them around.

2 years later out of 3 minnows, 4 blue tetra and 4 black tetra what's left is 2 minnows, 1 blue tetra and 2 black tetra. Where they went I dunno, I only ever found one dead body. [looks at the cat]

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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 15:13 Edited at: 15th Jul 2007 15:15
Put a large bucket outside and collect mosquito larvae if your area allows for it.
Buy a cheap net to scoop them out.
move them to another indoor tank that you have water aged for the tank.
Add some stuff to the tank so the diseases that are on the larvae wont hurt the fish, from your pet store. feed them ten minutes later. use the net again and drop them into the tank.

Somehow when i fed some fish with live content they lived a lot longer and went mad with activity when i brought the net over

I used to breed siamese fighting fish. changing the tank water became a hassle with 10 tanks so i sold them all, but its a lot of fun if you find the right fishes temperament for you.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 16:23
Quote: "However the bullying continued one of the Tetra got bigger than the others and bosses them around."


It's called a pecking order. Which basically means that one bigger one assumed the position of the leader/boss of the school.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 17:50
Quote: "The angelfish are known to be violent "

My sister always loved angelfish, she never had any issues keeping them with other fish. It's the cichlids you want to watch out for.

You should try and find some glofish, genetically modified zebra fish. I used to have one and it outlived every fish I had, and I can keep crappy fish alive for years. Unfortunately, for the first time ever in my tank, a disease somehow got in and wiped out all my fish except for the glofish. But then again, the fish was designed to detect pollutants in water.

Oh, and never put a plecostomus and a lobster in the same tank, they'll fight everyday until one of them is dead. And also, my lobster liked to eat my snails then build walls and caves out of their remaining shells. Staring at my fish tank was like watching national geographics.

Indi, I've never heard of feeding mesquito larvae to fish before.

Now you guys have made me wanna set up my 30gal again. Thanks for giving me work over the weekend.


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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 18:40
I've had angelfish, and they were really annoying. Attacked everything else in the water, including each other.
As for plecos+lobsters... I've tried that, and they didn't seem to even notice each other's presence. My lobsters didn't touch the snails either. :/
Feeding mosquito larvae to fish doesn't sound like a bad idea, but I'm too lazy.

Currently I have 3 gold fish, 2 koi (one died, I never found the remains o_O), about 10 neons, a guppy, and 2 other fish nobody seems to know what they are.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 21:04
I hope those goldfish were seperated from the others.


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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 21:13
hurray you got some fish!

Kieran
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Posted: 16th Jul 2007 04:26
@Phaelax
SET UP YOUR TANK AGAIN! lol
Never had lobsters or anything...my fish generally aren't violent towards the others...that could change as they grow though. Did you float the bag of water in your tank before letting them out? I heard that if you don't do that sometimes your fish will go straight to the new ones and start attacking them.
As for the mutant fish...sounds too creepy for me. I think I will stick to some more normal fish

@Cash Curtis II
Sorry I don't recall saying that oh well...sorry if I did.

@Benjamin
LOL!

@GatorHex
thats strange. My fish tend to hang out in groups together of the same or similar species and they leave each other alone.

@Indi
Sounds good except I don't really want to go through the trouble considering I hardly ever see mosquitos lol. I feed them "Complete flake food for all tropical fish". They go crazy when they see me open the lid and they swim to the top and dart towards any piece of food they can. I buy the highest quality food I can anyways.

@TKF15H
Really? sorry to hear that my two angel fish just stay together at the back of the tank...hope they don't team up and attack the others or something

@Zombie 20
Thanks

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Posted: 16th Jul 2007 07:25 Edited at: 16th Jul 2007 07:31
The Serpae Tetra is a schooling fish and doesn't usually do too well alone. The glowlights and neons usually mesh well together and form a school (my Black Neons took several weeks to start schooling with the glowlights I added later).

Anglefish usually like a taller tank; how many gallons is yours? Keep an eye on your Nitrite and Nitrate levels (the Nitrogen Cycle), so they don't spike too much with that load. What kind of filtration are you using (hang on the back, canister, etc.) and are you using all 3 stages: chemical (charcoal), biological (bio-wheels, etc.), and mechanical (filter floss)?

You also want to check the pH levels of your water and see what your fish prefer. Cichlids (your Angels) usually prefer a harder water than other tropicals. You don't really have to get too technical with your water quality, as long as you're doing regular water changes every couple of weeks (that helps keep the Nitrates low and prevents algae blooms)

Have you thought about adding a school of Corydoras Catfish to your clean-up crew? I used to raise Peppered Cories for awhile, once I found out that I had a breeding pair. They really have a lot of character.

I concur with staying away from the common Plecostumus, as they can exceed a foot in length rather quickly. There are a few species that remain rather small though. A nice school of Ottos would keep your algae in check and they are quite small; though they can be sensitive to changing water conditions. There is also a type of freshwater shrimp, called Amano Shrimp that will eat algae; but they are a bit more expensive than the standard ghost shrimp.

A good site to go to with any questions that you have concerning care of your little fishies, is: www.fishprofiles.com

It's a very friendly community.

Edit I looked at your pics; it looks like you've got a standard 10 gallon with a HOB Filter (Hang On the Back).

-Keith

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Posted: 16th Jul 2007 09:36 Edited at: 16th Jul 2007 10:31
@Keith
Oh...My serpae does look a bit lonely
I use water conditioner that kills bad things in the water...I change the water regularly and I have a bristlenose catfish (much smaller than those big plecos) to clean up, he cleans the glass and the stones.
My fish all seem happy in the water conditions I am keeping so far, I will see how they go;
Corydoras? yes my friend has some of those, I decided once i get my other tank (I think its like 120 litres or something) I will buy some Corydoras Catfish to clean up my tank
Ottos? what are those...If you have any reference please let me know.
I dont think I will be getting a shrimp though.

Thanks alot Keith, its appreciated.

@Everyone
I was going to get a male guppy because they look really cool but I decided not to because I think the angelfishes would love their tails and bite them etc...

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Posted: 16th Jul 2007 12:14
Yeah, be careful with male guppies. They're very easy targets for the aggressive fish.

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Posted: 16th Jul 2007 12:18
@TKF15H
Thanks will do. When I get a bigger tank I will probably keep the one I have now for guppies and smaller fish that are safe together.

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Kieran; here's a direct link to a page on the site I mentioned, for the Otocinclus (Otto):

http://www.fishprofiles.com/files/profiles/615.htm

Come to think of it though, with the Angels; you may not want to get these, as the Angels can be aggressive.

Here's some more information on your Bristlenose Pleco:

http://www.fishprofiles.com/files/profiles/250.htm

Those suckers only get around 5 inches at the most. Watch out for that general rule about 1 inch of fish per gallon of water though; if your fish is short but wide (like a Ryukin Fantail Goldie), then that rule isn't really applicable. Fish actually release more ammonia through their gills than through their waste (Ammonia starts off the nitrogen cycle, and is the most dangerous in large concentrations). Here's a link explaining the cycle:

http://www.fishprofiles.net/faq/begin-cycling.asp

If you have any more questions, just ask; or check out the site I mentioned.

-Keith

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Posted: 16th Jul 2007 22:04
@KeithC
Thanks
That link doesn't work though.
Anyways I only know how many litres my tank holds...It didn't come with gallons on it.
Also does that site have anything about the length the fishes lives SHOULD be if cared for properly?

@All
I got my fish on "Friday 13th July 2007" and the next day two of my fish were missing... turns out that the instructions on the filter didn't tell me to put a little piece of the filter (which was jammed inside the filter itself) over the in-take pipe so I assumed that there was a mesh inside the pipe that blocked them from getting sucked in. Turns out there wasn't and I found two of my fish dead inside it...So I returned to the pet store with it and they finally found the piece and told me to put it on. The fish are safe now.

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Posted: 16th Jul 2007 23:52
Kieran-Nice Fish now where is the chips?LMAO.
What type are they?

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Posted: 17th Jul 2007 00:03
Which link doesn't work for you? You can find how long they should live throughout their forums, if you ask. Sometimes they are listed on each description as well.

-Keith

@Deathead; the list of what they are in the first post.

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Posted: 17th Jul 2007 00:10 Edited at: 17th Jul 2007 00:14
Quote: "eah, be careful with male guppies. They're very easy targets for the aggressive fish.
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personally, ive had guppies that killed angelfish!

Quote: "
I used to breed siamese fighting fish. changing the tank water became a hassle with 10 tanks so i sold them all, but its a lot of fun if you find the right fishes temperament for you."


i have disighned several systems for automatic water changing, all simple, just never got around to making anything. generally based on having a second tank, and having an overflow in the fish tank(s) that goes to a drain. once a week the tank would empty into the fishtanks, when its empty, the outlet shuts, inlet opens, tank fills, and stands for a week, repeats. simple

Kieran: tip, don't use a flash, or put the flash over the top of the tank

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Posted: 17th Jul 2007 08:08 Edited at: 17th Jul 2007 08:20
@Keith
I was referring to the nitrogen cycle, however turns out that My browser was playing up, I fixed it now. Thanks again for everything.

Im liking that site alot, do you know of a profile on there to the corys you mentioned earlier? I would love a look at them.

@Deathead
They are in the post but here they are again...

Angelfish x2
Neon Tetra x4
Glowlight Tetra x1
Serpae Tetra x1
Bristlenose Catfish x1

@Hessiess
Wow! Guppies eating Angelfish...thats strange
Meh its not my camera, don't know how to move the flash...I tried with the flash off but I couldn't see anything even when I pulled up the brightness in an image editor.

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Posted: 17th Jul 2007 08:35 Edited at: 17th Jul 2007 08:35
Here are links to profiles about the types of fish I have if anyone is interested

Bristlenose Catfish
Angelfish
Neon Tetra
Serpae Tetra
Glowlight Tetra

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Posted: 17th Jul 2007 17:16
The link to the Corydoras profile is here:

http://www.fishprofiles.com/profiles/list.aspx?term=corydoras

As you can see there are quite a few of them to pick from. The ones that I keep (and have raised before), are Peppered Cories:

http://www.fishprofiles.com/files/profiles/612.htm

I've been a member of that site since 2003 (though I don't visit it much anymore); it's a great site for fish enthusiasts.

-Keith

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Posted: 18th Jul 2007 07:39
@KeithC
Oh ok, I think my local petshop only has one type of cory... not sure though i'll have a look.

Also I was told to feed my fish 1 pinch of fish flake every two days... although the person who told me that didn't know how many fish I had.

How Much/Often should I be feeding these 9 fish? If you know it would really help.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2007 08:09
I feed mine every day, but I keep a constant eye on their weight. Fish will quickly get fatter/thinner with a few days of not giving the appropriate amount of food. If your water darkens too quickly, it's another sign that you're over-feeding.

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@TKF15H
Oh ok, some of my fish hide alot and when they get hungry they come to the front of the tank and start staring out at me, im pretty sure it means they're hungry because when i feed them they go back to hiding after eating.

But maybe they are tricking me for extra food or something.

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