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Commodore kid
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Posted: 18th Jul 2007 23:26
hey was just wondering if a working brute forcer actually exists and if so where can i find it.

i wanna test it on my old email account ive dun this this with a couple of brute forcers ive found around the net and i cant seem to get them working. it wud be extreamly usefull if i cud find a working one as im very forgetfull and i like experamenting with things like this.

ps. i know this may somewhat be a taboo but these are the only computer forums i visit so if someone can help be id be extreamly thankful.

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TEST OF WILL
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Posted: 18th Jul 2007 23:45
POSTED BEFORE LOCKED! Woot
GatorHex
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Posted: 18th Jul 2007 23:51
Yeah I wonder how long it will take a mod to see this

If your account manager is worth it's salt it will dissable or time out the account after 3 wrong guesses anyway

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Commodore kid
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Posted: 18th Jul 2007 23:53
all im wondering is if there is a working program of this nature and what is it i mean no harm.

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IanM
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Posted: 19th Jul 2007 00:04
Google it, or write one of your own - they are simple enough that they aren't really a threat to any reasonable level of security.

A 10 letter password containing upper and lowercase letters, plus numbers has 839,299,365,868,340,224 possible combinations, so it'll take a little while for you to work through them

Quote: "LOCKED"

Don't see why it should be ATM. We talk about encryption/decryption of messages here every so often - this is equivalent to that really.

Commodore kid
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Posted: 19th Jul 2007 00:14
thanks IanM your awesome it upsetts me when ppl are so hostile.

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xplosys
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Posted: 19th Jul 2007 00:27
Perhaps you won't mind if I turn the request the other way. I've been looking for a way to stop brute force attacks on my mail server for some time. There are some simple solutions (IP banning, etc) for Unix based systems, but I can't find anything for Windows Servers.

Does anyone know of anything for Windows based servers?

Best.

I'm sorry, my answers are limited. You must ask the right question.

spooky
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Posted: 19th Jul 2007 00:30
@Commodore kid - looked at your forum lately? Seems to be overrun with bogus posts about porn and drugs.

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Commodore kid
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Posted: 19th Jul 2007 00:33
yea lol i havnt been able to get on top of any of it so im gonna gave up in the end i think ill handit over to my mate c if he can sort it out

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Commodore kid
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Posted: 19th Jul 2007 01:02
i shud of setup one of them confermation code thingys

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IanM
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Posted: 19th Jul 2007 02:40 Edited at: 19th Jul 2007 02:42
Quote: "If your account manager is worth it's salt it will dissable or time out the account after 3 wrong guesses anyway"

I've thought about that a little and it doesn't seem like good protection to me:
- it'd be a great DOS attack. Simply attempt to log into all known accounts, deliberately getting the password wrong until it is locked. When someone locks out administrator, you are no longer in control of your machine.
- you can't lock an account that doesn't exist, so once you get a locked account, you know it's a valid one.

Better ideas for protection:
- Delay after a failed login attempt (invalid user or incorrect password). Slows down retries.
Don't report 'incorrect password' or 'invalid user' - just 'login failed', and only immediately before disconnect. If you report then delay, the attackers code can detect that and disconnect early, then try again immediately.
- When you hit a threshold for number of connections per second/minute/hour from an IP, slow them right down.
- Don't block IP's - so many people use common gateways that you can block your legitimate users along with your attackers. Again, just slow them down.

Most of these are based upon slowing down the attacks, not stopping them. Brute-force is a numbers game which you can win just by slowing everything down to a point where an attack will be stretched to years instead of minutes.

@xplosys,
I'm not aware of anything for windows that does what you need. Switch to linux instead

Commodore kid
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Posted: 19th Jul 2007 17:37
Quote: "I'm not aware of anything for windows that does what you need. Switch to linux instead"


good idea only one problem my internet adapter only supports windows.

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Cash Curtis II
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Posted: 19th Jul 2007 17:42
Commodore kid, face it, you're a turd. Shift your focus to more constructive things. Go make a game. I can see the value of this discussion, but at the same time I can 100% see why you asked this question in the first place and it isn't honorable.


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Posted: 19th Jul 2007 18:15
Quote: "839,299,365,868,340,224 possible combinations"


Don't forget that Dictionary attacks can greatly reduce that number.

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Commodore kid
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Posted: 19th Jul 2007 18:17
cash curtis ii my intent for this program is constuctive as any good software develper knows in order to make decent software one has to have an understanding of the various parts of computers work. Some very useful things have been mentioned on this post such as how to improve security i cud add some of the ideas mentioned as various security features in a game or program. For example trial software activation using some of the ideas previosly mentioned i could make my program invunrable to keygens or cracks. Of course this wasnt the reason for this post but who can say that they have never forgotten a password or a pin number in the past. Besides which even if i did have milicious intent which i dont it dusnt realy make any difference to the terms and conditions of the fourums as im not asking how to do anything inethical i was just asking if anyone here knew of a working brute forcer which wud allow me to retrave lost passwords or pin numbers.

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dark coder
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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 03:02 Edited at: 20th Jul 2007 09:32
Quote: "For example trial software activation using some of the ideas previosly[sic] mentioned i could make my program invunrable[sic] to keygens or cracks."


Just like how all these other commercial games have made their serial keys invulnerable to keygens?

I don't see the purpose of making such applications as you can easily predict their effect.

soapyfish
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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 08:52
If you really, really, really, really, really, really wanted someone’s password you just have to








It's only going to become more of a problem imo. As computers become more wide-spread and easier to use there are more and more people who are going to believe that they will lose their hotmail account if they don't prove they still use it by sending their password to adminz0r@hotmail.com or need to fill in their bank details on americaneggspress.com.

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Benjamin
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Posted: 20th Jul 2007 09:13
Quote: "I don't see the purpose of making such applications as you can easily predict their affect[sic]."

I agree.

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Phaelax
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Posted: 23rd Jul 2007 10:46
Quote: "Does anyone know of anything for Windows based servers?"


A tiny program which uses a set of rainbow tables runs on a small version of linux. We used it in my security class. With a bootable linux CD with nothing else on it but this program, we could get into the Windows system in about a minute or less. Granted you needed physical access to the machine.


xplosys
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Posted: 23rd Jul 2007 17:02
Phaelax,

Perhaps I'm missing something here. Does this have something to do with stopping brute force attacks on a Windows server?

I'm sorry, my answers are limited. You must ask the right question.

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