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This is an idea thread.

What is an idea thread? It’s a thread where someone gives an idea, about whatever. A thought problem; something that will make you think. The idea does not necessarily have to be true, in fact it probably won’t be. Read this thread to get an idea of what I mean when I say idea thread.

I actually think it would be really cool if other people wrote their own idea threads, as it’s a lot of fun, and should be interesting to read.

There would be some general guidelines of course.
1, The author should not post something they haven’t put any thought into.
2 The thread must label itself as an idea thread in the title, and be organized in some way.
3 The author should respond as little as possible, seing what other people have to say.
4, The author should not respond more than once every 5 posts or so, if the feel the need to.
5, People should not respond by saying the idea thread is nonsense, unless it seems clear that little or no thought had been put into the idea
6, People should actually read the first post before posting, as that post is the entire point of the thread

It depends though. I find posting this kind of thing takes a lot of courage, because people don’t like the idea of someone else dissecting their thoughts and flaming them.

The last idea thread I made got some interesting responses, though not as many negative ones as I had expected. A few people understood I was proposing an idea as an intellectual problem, and some thought I was crazy. There was one person who actually thought I was being pretentious, and thought I was acting like I had discovered the next E=mc^2. An idea thread is nothing of the sort, and I don’t think I’ve discovered anything at all. It’s just an idea, plain and simple.



The idea I’ve been thinking is about imagination. There is another name for imagination, called visual spatial intelligence. The main difference is that visual spatial intelligence can be measured, and does not decrease as you become more rational. According to tests I’ve taken at hospitals (I’m not sure why I took them; I think it had something to do with my learning the wrong way in middle school), my visual spatial intelligence is twice that of the normal person. The person testing me said mine was off the charts, which I thought was kind of silly. My younger brother had the same test about 5 years later, and had very similar results.
This forum is full of imaginitive people, which is one of the reason I think others here might understand why I made this thread.

ANYWAYS, my point is that I think these sorts of things a lot, and I had this idea to try and post it on the forum. WHAT IS PREPOSED IS NOT NESSASARALY TRUE, IT’S AN IDEA. All that matters is whether people are intrigued by it and if it makes them think a little about things. Anything. I don’t care at all if what I suggest is true, though I’m happy to have people point out reasons my idea wouldn’t work, as long as it’s understood I’m not trying to say it does, or even think it does. I do believe my ideas would work within themselves to an extent, but whether they work in reality or not has little interest for me. In fact, that’s what this particular thread is all about.



Here we go.

Does what we imagine ever become real? Let us think. I once had a dream about an island hidden in an ocean in the sky, and was so fascinated by it that when I woke up I wrote it down as much as I could remember. I then used what I had written as the basis for a story. That story was handed in as an English assignment.
So, did my imagination become real? In a way. I transferred it to paper and letters, and let others see what I had imagined. It became real inside their imaginations, at least for a short while. I in fact do this all the time, and so does every person who works in the arts (yes, game making is part of the arts). We are constantly trading ideas and viewing each others imaginations, especially here on the internet.

But can imagination, independent of the person, take on a physical, tangible form? Probably not in our world, unless a way is discovers to convert brainwaves directly into physical mater, or something of the sort.

Here’s where I start taking about something farfetched.

According to the theory of the big bang, matter randomly pops in and out of existence, and only reason the mater in our universe exists in it’s current state because once the explosion of matter outweighed the gravity pulling it back together at the start of the universe, this became the most likely state for the mater to be in (you can probably find a good description of what I’m talking about on wikipedia). In fact, there is a probability, however small, that all the matter making up your computer will instantly turn into a bag of marshmallows, and the only thing stopping it is the incredible unlikelihood of the matter being in that form at this moment. But if the theory of the big bang is correct, then matter does sometimes hit that improbability, and change position and organization or even be created. If I’m not making sense, think of the improbability drive in Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy. Theoretically, it should work.

So, if we assume that the universe being in any shape or form is possible, however improbable, then what’s to say it isn’t?

Suppose the universe is like a big tv screen, with an infinite number of channels. Each channel uses the same pixels, but each has something different on it. Let’s say that the only reason you see what you do on the screen is because that’s what you’re most likely to see based off which channel you’re watching.
So, what does all that have to do with imagination becoming physical reality? Well, given the infinite possibility for worlds as I’ll call it, not only might what you imagine be real, but it almost certainly is or could be.

Not I’ll go off the deep end.

Given the infinite possibility for worlds, suppose- I say SUPPOSE, the only reason you see this “tv channel” is because in each other possibility the mater that makes you up already exists. Let’s say there was a way to exchange versions of what you’re made of between possibilities. Wouldn’t you then be able to travel between possibilities? The main reason for asking this is, any one possibility may not actually exist until you try and go there, thus causing it to exist, at least for you.

The main difficult in describing this is it throws up the entire idea of what existence is in the air.

So finally, suppose that what you imagine is already one of the infinite possibilities of the universe, and that by imagining it you cause it to come into existence. Perhaps it would only exist if somehow you were able to go there, but I don’t know. There is still so much I can do with this idea. I haven’t even mentioned the whole conundrum of a 3 dimensional timeline that would go along with it, giving each of the infinite possibilities has an infinite number of possible timelines.



So there you go. Please don’t go off and think only of reasons why what I said couldn’t be, but rather entertain the idea and think of what could be if it was. I don’t mind anyone figuring out why it’s impossible as long as they think about what it would mean if it were true. Again, it is a thought problem. You don’t need to believe it to think about it. After all, do you believe the Matrix or LOTR is real? Or that the Asimov robot series is or will be real? I’m sure you’ve thought about if it was, even if you don’t think it will happen. After all, the creators of those did.

If you want to flame me now then flame me. I’ve already posted, and it’s too late for me to unpost this.

No s**t!

I'm not going to slate your ideas because it's good to have an imagination and to let it run wild. That's what good game developers do. But I can't say that clicked with my on my wavelength. I found it hard to read actually! I didn't think you were a blithering idiot, but I did think you were blithering.

Interestingly, I've had a few dreams I've tried to turn into a story or something similar. I once had a bad dream about some haunted house and it was so scary that I came up with a whole concept for a film and story in my mind when I woke up, and at about 4am I started writing it down. It scared the pants off me, so I thought it'd make a great subject.

Turns out as I started writing it down that it was a bit crap, so I had to throw in loads of things that weren't in my dream to make it coherent and make any sense. I added characters and a point, and slowly it became more and more bollocks, until I realised it wasn't going to work.

My conclusion is that dreams are a crap basis for a story, since they're produced as a result of "emotional restructuring" and thus, rather than provoke emotions, they are the result of emotions. So where as a tear-jerking story makes you cry, you dream a sad dream because you're already sad. So I conclude dreams are a rubbish basis for ideas and stories.

Anyway, don't know if that was the sort of discussion you wanted to provoke. I am a skeptic though, about pretty much everything unproven or random.

Though I have read that last bit, this is a geek forum and some people might disregard this, I don't know. But I for one like to see creativity and imagination encouraged as you can find you'll improve your creativity skills and use it into something you might find useful, like 3D modelling or games.

I think creativity and imagination is something good to have - but I don't see these threads working here, though it's a nice thought, but I don't see it lasting. But I do liked to be proven wrong though dude and will be happy is people called me a miser for saying that.

Also:

You smell.



I read this bit though. This sounds like you want the forum to start proper philosophical discussions, unfortunately I see that treading close to religion and politics and some threads may be locked, like say we went onto Cosmology, or you'd need to do is talk about the big bang theory and you might find an unhappy creationist and though you've set up rules for it, there may be people that go crazy, call someone dumb and then it's ruined. Though a lot of the members are mature and look like they can have a proper discussion, but not all are capable and may act as bigots.

Shame really, I do love discussions like that, hence I set up Cogito, I did have a philosophical discussion with Sun Flash on my seppuku arts website, but Cogito is the place I set up where that can be done and nobody has said a word back at discussion on there, perhaps if it doesn't work here, you and anybody interested could be the first.
http://cogito.66ghz.com/cogito

I must ask if this is all your own idea without any outside influence?

It reminds me of a book I read about 5 years ago called Our Living Multiverse by Fred Adams. It basically says the same thing you are saying, but with greater detail and around 250 pages of print, lol. It's a great cosmology book for anyone interested.

As an IDEA, it's easy for me to accept. To stay on your TV channel example theres also possibilities for static channels. Channels that have no images, are chaotic. No laws to govern what to produce or create. Say you were to imagine such a place, to go there, to bring something back. What's to say any channel has to conform to the same rules as the current channel we watch. Say we switch to FOX news, now theres chaos! lol. Let's say we are on a golf channel, and we want to bring an orc from another channel that features a Tolken world. Whats to say this orc could actually survive on the golf channel without a chaotic effect in favor of either channel? The orc is used to the rules of his own channel, but once he' introduce to the new laws of this new channel, the question is what effect will it have on the entire image. Hope you follow

So whether ideas conjured up from dreams could be manifested is beyond my knowledge, but whether that idea could survive in a new environment, one could assume chaos. Another example, say on your channel you can produce fire with your mind, but once you cross over to a channel where this is not possible, how will it effect you?

This is all my own IDEAS that just popped into my head. It made sense when typing, lol. My ideas should be taken as rambling of a half awake mad man, and seriousness is not intended for people who think it's trash

I think if we replace the word "dream" with "thoughts" or even "daydream", it could remove much of the problem following this "train of thought", if you will, and the concept that everything we can possibly think of is possible. Not only is possible, but can and probably already does exist.

When we look at something, we all see it in relation to our own way of thinking or unique experience. While we can generally agree on what something is, hardly ever will everyone agree on what it means or represents. So in a way, we already see things differently from one another depending on what channel we are tuned into, or how we feel at the moment, or how we have been conditioned in the past.

My reality is not the same as yours, yet both exist at the same time. The reality of a sane man exists in the same space and time as that of an insane man. While you continue with your day-to-day functions, he is in another world. Is his reality any less real than yours? And what about the realities of those who have passed on? Do not those realities still exist, and possibly even continue till now?

Anyway, to think that our concept of our universe - our very being - our ability to become more than what we are - is limited by our ability to understand or imagine, does not seem so far fetched to me.

Interesting to think about.

Best.

Very insightful, it reminds me of the film The Secret. Which for those of you who don't know The Secret says that your life is a manifestation of your past thoughts, and the frequency of your thoughts attracts people, objects, and circumstances on that same frequency back to you. This process is called the Law of Attraction. (LoA)

That means that what we imagine really does become real. So if you keep thinking bad thoughts, which is very common today, for example "I hate being overweight", the universe will manifest it to you. It works this way because your thoughts influence your actions, which then influence your results. Many people today don't realized that they could think about what they do want, and if they adopt the mindset of a person who already has what they want they'll eventually get it. But many people don't do that because they think achieving their desires and dreams is impossible. So what do they do? They start hating what they don't want, and by spending a lot of their time thinking about stuff they hate the law of attraction will keep giving it to them.

From the average person's viewpoint, the goal of becoming an indie game developer is impossible for me. But thinking about how impossible it is will only make it more impossible. But I keep my thoughts on how easy and fun it will be, and (surprise!) working towards this goal has been generally very easy and fun.

When I discovered The Secret near the beginning of 2007 I started to think about making money. And soon enough, I began finding money on the ground very frequently, getting checks or larger sums of money in gifts, and learning about a lot of oppurtunities that will make me a few extra dollars, like Agloco. Just now I realized I used The Secret before I even knew about it to manifest a $50 savings bond which was a science fair award last year.

I know most of you will think I'm insane for believing in this, but it's always worked for me. Sometimes it works so well I get totally freaked out. But once you've accepted that The Secret is a universal law of the universe and that me and all the other LoAers aren't crazy, the fun begins.



Is this quantum physics or something? Improbability is very fun. There is a very small chance that at this moment all the atoms in my body and the wall in front of me will be aglined in such a way that by walking straight there is no collision, allowing me to walk through the wall.

There is also the possibility that a single bit in my bank's computer will change itself for no explainable reason, making me a billionaire.

The cat in the box