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FPSC Classic Scripts / FPI Script Editor v1.00 Beta

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Thraxas
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Posted: 11th Aug 2007 08:25
Quote: "It's not in DarkBasic."


Didn't think it had to be to post on the WIP board which is why it is in the showcase section and not the DarkBasic section... I'm pretty sure Codesurge isn't made with DarkBasic and it's there (it's stickied too)...

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Posted: 11th Aug 2007 11:32
Yeah, but that's an IDE for DarkBasic. All of the things posted there have something to do with DarkBasic, be it a plugin or a program.

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Posted: 11th Aug 2007 16:16
Quote: "i'm confused, did you move to vb6 from c++ or weren't you thinking for a while (like i am all the time) when you wrote that post If you need any vb6 help, feel free to ask me, i still remember some stuff from when i used vb.."


I think somewere in this topic, it explains I re-codded the entire system.


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Posted: 11th Aug 2007 17:05
Oh really inspire? I bet you couldn't code even the FPS tutorial on DBP! I bet that is why you are using FPSC? So please mind your own business and butt out...

Don't let him fool you, this avatar is constipated.....
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Posted: 11th Aug 2007 17:31
Inspire, he just put you in your place! At least I make an attempt, now lets talk about the progam now! NO MORE INSULTS! Remember what I said above!


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Posted: 11th Aug 2007 17:35
...fight nice, kids.

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Oh we are Seth Black, because we are not fighting anymore, we are talking about my program!


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Posted: 11th Aug 2007 17:52
I have been watching this thread and been amused for a while now. Perhaps there are a number of issues that are causing this thread to go off course.

1. This is a text box dragged onto a VB form and the properties set. It takes about a minute to do. No explanation for the time it has taken you to do this. Perhaps you are just beginning to learn VB, and that's fine.

2. Almost the same as above. This is a text box dragged onto a VB form and the properties set. Not much more than Notepad, with some font and color options (again, set in the text box properties) and not of any use for FPSC.

3. To continue from above, this is not useful for FPSC. When you have the actions, commands, syntax checking and color coding coded, it will be an fpi program, however that will take forever if not longer in VB, considering the time you say it took to drag the text box onto the form, and the fact that this is not the type of program that VB was made for.

4. Anyone who posts a "I'm making a...." thread gets the same treatment, unless they have a rep for completing their work, but those people don't post until they have the work nearly complete.

5. Instead of poking you with sticks and calling you names, we would do better to ignore this (because there is nothing here to comment on, perhaps it would do better in the geek forum as a non-descript work in progress) and wait until you post something that is usable or near completion.

6. I wish you success with the program and hope you will continue to program many more and useful apps.

Best.

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Posted: 11th Aug 2007 18:57
That didn't help at all. Way-to-go, you made me feel like crap, like my work isn't decent. I did it ALL by code, I am sick of people thinking I took the easy way, and used a wizard, or used the visual tools, well you know what? I DIDN'T!!! If you guys want to be a bunch of jerks that's fine, I am seriously considering stopping programming, because you guys pick apart my programs, trying to make an exucuse why NOT to admit, I think you are afraid to admit that I actually created something decent, but instead you guys say, "He used a wizard!" or, "He used the visual functions and just changed the size and colour!" But funny, if you guys are the "Coding Gurus" you claim to be, why use FPS Creator? Why not coompletly code a game? Yeah, that's what I thought, you guys have the nerve to pick apart what I am doing, but you guys still use a FPS Game Engine (which really isn't a problem, or bad). And if you guys know about this wizard thing, you must have used it. I don't even know what the name of it is, but I didn't use it. I deleted anything that says "Wizard" in Visual Basic 6, I didn't even install the wizard, because I do a custom install. Do not lecture me, when I have never seen a piece of progamming work come out of most of you.


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Posted: 11th Aug 2007 19:00
Forgive me.... I will leave u be...

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Posted: 11th Aug 2007 19:43
You're getting all bent out of shape for nothing. VB is a wysiwyg (what you see is what you get) editor used for creating simple Windows programs (mostly). It is, and is supposed to be, a drag and drop creator, just like FPSC. If you coded everything from scratch, instead of dragging the text box on the form like you are supposed to, then I can see why it would take a while.

The only Wizard in VB is the project setup Wizard which lets you define the project type, forms and form type, and other variables. (.net may be different, I use VB6) It is what it is, and I'm not saying that you don't need to know the language to create an application, because you certainly do. I'm just saying that the part you have done is the drag and drop part.

Unless you are a Basic language wizard, you will not code syntax checking, color coding, and the rest into this app. Sorry, it's just not going to happen. I've been coding with it for about 8 years and it's not something I would attempt.

If you are interested, FreeVBCode has a lot of code and programs you can use. They have a couple of text box color coding routines you might want to check out. I could not find any syntax checking code, not even for popular codes like HTML.

Anyway, I still wish you the best, and didn't mean to discourage you. I could have said it better, I'm sure.

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Posted: 11th Aug 2007 20:46
Quote: "VB is a wysiwyg (what you see is what you get) editor used for creating simple Windows programs (mostly)."

VB is a programming language.

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Quote: "VB is a programming language. "



Visual Basic (VB) is an event driven programming language and associated development environment from Microsoft for its COM programming model.

As long as we are being exact.....

I'm sorry, my answers are limited. You must ask the right question.

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Posted: 11th Aug 2007 20:58
Quote: "for creating simple Windows programs (mostly)."


actually, vb can be quite powerfull when you get more into it, why you could even make your own 3d games with directx 8 in it..


oh praise the lord, praise furry jesus
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Posted: 11th Aug 2007 21:05 Edited at: 11th Aug 2007 21:10
Quote: "As long as we are being exact....."

Comparing VB to FPSC is being completely inaccurate.

The so called tool that allows you to place controls in a window is normal, many of them exist. What's cheating about using a window editor instead of coding the resource files by hand or manually adding them the window in code (bad practice by the way) ? An interface is just that, an interface. It does not comprise the entire functionality of an application, or at least I'd hope not (perhaps you mean that's what FPI script editor is?). If the VB IDE has a GUI editor it does not make it a drag-and-drop program creator.

If it automatically generates save/load code then I agree with you in this case however.

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Posted: 11th Aug 2007 21:20
Whatever. Not even the point I was trying to make, but obviously went right by you, or you're bored.

VB was developed to interface with Microsoft data bases. You can float your outhouse on the river and call it a house boat, you can put ladders on your car and call it a work truck, and you can build an RPG with FPSC if you want to.

I wasn't comparing VB to FPSC, only the drag and drop part of it. I guess you ignored the part where I said
Quote: "and I'm not saying that you don't need to know the language to create an application, because you certainly do."


I'm certainly not complaining or dogging him for using "drag and drop", in fact I told him he should have.

Are you reading the posts?

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Posted: 11th Aug 2007 21:25
Quote: "Whatever. Not even the point I was trying to make, but obviously went right by you, or you're bored."

You're getting all bent out of shape for nothing. Just making sure the facts are kept straight.

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*bends some fax*

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Posted: 11th Aug 2007 22:05
OKAY! We seriously need to get back to the original topic!


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Posted: 12th Aug 2007 00:14 Edited at: 12th Aug 2007 00:32
Quote: "Oh really inspire? I bet you couldn't code even the FPS tutorial on DBP! I bet that is why you are using FPSC? So please mind your own business and butt out...
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Well, saying that, you have brought me into this. I use FPSC to practice my media development skills, seeing as I am a 3D Artist rather than a programmer. Recently I have been getting familiar with DarkBasic, and in fact I have finished the FPS tutorial a while back, and have made several helpful utilities for me, one of which I made upon request by a couple of the guys in the Models and Media section. I have no idea why you have the idea that I can't program, and I know for sure that you can barely program, based on some of your previous posts, and your immaturity. So don't attempt to insult me with your kindergarten statements, because what have you done? Nothing. You have no idea who I am, and no idea what I do. Please keep these childish insults to yourself.

EDIT: Click the link in my sig, Jordan. Take a look at some of those screenshots and reply to me. You can't even tell me that those are bad.

EDIT #2: Sorry for getting off topic, crispex.

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Posted: 12th Aug 2007 01:29 Edited at: 12th Aug 2007 01:34
Quote: "why use FPS Creator? Why not coompletly code a game?"


Umm... why do people use the Unreal Engine? Obviously thy are all lazy programmers who can't be bothered to create their own engines!!! Not everyone here can write their own game engine so they use FPSC (and I bet they don't mind acknowledging the fact they used it in their games either!)

Quote: "I am seriously considering stopping programming, because you guys pick apart my programs"


If you can't take criticism, even if it isn't constructive then programming and game making is not the hobby (or career choice) for you... I spent months working on a game in game maker... I ironed out all the bugs, I was really pleased with what I had done... I put it on the GMC and bam... everyone said it was lame, and sucked but didn't give reasons for it... I could have said 'that's it other people don't like my stuff I quit'... but I didn't... I was proud of what I had achieved... I made some more stuff and got better comments... The original game was lame when I look back at it now, but at the time I couldn't see that because of all the effort I had put into making it...

Quote: "I did it ALL by code, I am sick of people thinking I took the easy way, and used a wizard, or used the visual tools, well you know what? I DIDN'T!!!"


Here's the thing... no-one here actually cares whether you used a wizard or not. They don't care... but your strong protests make it look like you have... The more you protest the more people are not going to believe you... And at the end of the day what does it matter if you did... the tools are there to make your life easier why would you not use them? If you think that professional programmers don't use all the tools at their disposal to make their life easier then you must surely be mistaken...

Why are you using visual basic if you are coding everything by hand? Surely the whole point of using VB is to use the 'visual' part of the program?

Someone earlier posted asking you to post your source... to which you replied 'no you want to steal it' or something like that. Why would anyone want to steal the source to this program which has been flamed to death by the community? If you are truly worried about someone wanting to steal this why don't you email the source code to a mod... They can then post telling everyone you are teh leet skilzor programer... everyone will then apologise and this flamefest will be over.

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Posted: 12th Aug 2007 03:12 Edited at: 12th Aug 2007 03:17
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crispex,

I suggest you ignore this thread for the time being and concentrate on finishing your programme. It is down to you to complete it. It should be obvious to you that you are going to get little help here. Then when you have a complete and working product or programme that of some value to the community then I am sure everyone will appreciate your endeavours and offer you their thanks and congratulations. When you have a fully working script Editor then why not charge money for it. If it is good then users would buy it. If not they wont. I wish you much success with it.

To all forum members : As always if you dont like what someone posts then dont reply or comment.

Insulting anyone or their work in any way is against the rules and seriously so. Personal attacks of any kind are a serious matter. Please dont do it.

What constitutes an infringement of the AUP and rules is a matter for Moderators to decide not FPSC Forum users or members so be careful please how you behave.

I will leave this thread open for the moment. You are all one as bad as the other in your behaviour so I will treat all such behaviours and their posters the same.

I dont know about the posters here but Moderators have been more than fair with regard to this thread and the members posting here to date.

I suggest you all go your separate ways now and leave it alone if you dont have anything useful to contribute by way of comment :

The next insults or attacks made by anyone against another poster in any way will not be treated so lightly. If they are not approproate you can go on approval of your posts for a while.

Thank you for your co-operataion.



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Does any one else get an error when the use it? And is it just me or do none of the buttons work?

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All of the buttons work.


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humm maybe you should re upload it. Wont work at all for me. Says Missing file!

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@Goodman84: look through all of this thread I made him put up the download links for the files to fix that.

I have am getting rather annoyed at crispex as I have done my best to test this program and help him get it sorted and he has completely ignored me just for the record this program does not work for the purpose stated and to my knowledge never has done. He has NEVER tested this program for its purpose as he would have noticed it will not work.

@Goodman84, again: Download the files to fix as I mentione earlier and all the buttons ect will work but you will find just as I did this program doesn't save plain text which is what an fpi is, it saves the text and details of the sizes and fonts and colours effectivly corrupting the fpi.

@Crispex I hope you will read this and actully fix this time just take out font, size, colour thats causing the problem and there really not needed

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Maybe you could upload those files on here because the site its hosted at Is rated red by Siteadvisor, Sure i trust it but i get scared when i see red,

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EDIT: Ohhh Great It also is loaded with spyware such as Fake anti spywares, maybe I wont get this at all!

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Visual Basic 6.0 -> New -> VB Application Wizard = Almost Ready FPI Script Editor
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Any one?

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What Version of VB do you have? I don't see it in mine, maybe your mistaken?

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Quote: "Visual Basic 6.0 -> New -> VB Application Wizard = Almost Ready FPI Script Editor"


Hmm. You must have used it before. That means you arn't a real programmer. Interesting. Well, you continue to use your wizzard, and I will program my own stuff, but best of luck to you.


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Posted: 16th Aug 2007 07:44
Hi Crispex,

I downloaded your program to try it out and see what all the fuss was about. I decided to give you some constructive criticism

First of all I needed the files which you provide a link to in your first post, however, this site has been flagged as a red site by SiteAdvisor so I wouldn't download them from there. A quick search on the internet provided me with the files (and at a much smaller fie size than your link). Perhaps it would be easier for other users who also do not wish to download from a SiteAdvisor red site if you could provide another safer link, I'm sure it would be appreciated. You can't be too careful these days.

I know that FPI Script Editor is a multi purpose tool but one of its fucntions is as something with which you can write FPI scripts... Unfortunately whenever you save a FPI with FPI Script Editor it does this:


This is unreadable by FPSC... although it does load perfectly within FPI Script Editor, I think compatibility with FPSC is paramount. I know you say this only happens with text files in the readme, but it also happens with FPI files... it's just that FPI Script Editor reads it properly but FPSC can't...

I don't know if you are aware of this but in the tools bar... The graphic for what I assume is for the html editor is next to the calculator text and the calculator graphic is next to the calendar text. You may have already fixed this in a newer version but I just wanted to point it out in case you hadn't noticed.

Sometimes when using Insert -> textfile... the text gets corrupted... I was using a plain text file created with notepad when this happened:



I also noticed that even if select htm or html (still within the insert -> text file) as the file you are looking for it still doesn't display them.

I don't know if this is a bug or not... but if I select a piece of text from another source let's say firefox and copy it... I can paste it into FPI Script Editor... but if I select a piece of text from FPI Script Editor and try and paste it into another program it doesn't work... I can, however, paste it into another file within FPI Script Editor itself.

It also says in the readme that it supports .doc file types but if you try to load them it corrupts the data as you can see if you look at the attached picture, which incidentally I captured using the built in screen capture function. You will see from this image that the screen capture utility has its own bug of sorts. It captures the screen capture dialog obscuring what it is you're trying to capture.

That's what I found in my quick 5 minute play with this program. Hope that it is useful to you in improving your program. I'll be sure to post any other findings I have after using the program more thoroughly.

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Thanks for the critism Thraxas. Actually, there are many bugs I am figuring out went wrong. For some reason, for custom file types and .txt files, it tells you all kinds of useless information. I think it is an error that I made when I was quickly running through it. I am still working on the command lists for the next version. Coloured sentax won't be avalible until the version after.


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Also if you press 'CE' or 'C' on the calculator it deletes what you have stored in the calculator's memory which it shouldn't do...

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Well, until I fix it, deal with it!


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Quote: "I was merely pointing out another bug in your software... Isn't that the whole point of a beta release?"


Actually, I wan't offended by your bug report, I have just been so busy, that that is what I have been telling everyone!


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Quote: "Actually, I wan't offended by your bug report, I have just been so busy, that that is what I have been telling everyone!
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Ok good... because I have another one for you. If you try to import a picture which has a larger resolution than your computer is currently set to it cause FPI Script editor to crash. Sometimes it will crash immediatly and sometimes it will crash after the picture has imported...

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Uh oh, that can't be natural...better get on that!


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how goes the bug fixes?

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Not so good, having trouble figuring out why it includes extra info in regular text files.


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Is it definatly plain text? You could try taking out the styles and fonts and see what it does then. Or write you own file format just make it physically save whats in the text box. If you are already doing that look up if there are any extra options. VB tries to make things too easier and leaves you wondering how it all works

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Quote: "Not so good, having trouble figuring out why it includes extra info in regular text files."

That's because you use a RichtextBox, that by default saves the text in richtext format. So, either use a normal TextBox or get the RichtextBox to output plain ASCII text.

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Uggghhh! I hate having to fix things!


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Don't we all At least when I'm working with DBP I get nearly full control on how I save files. I had a richtext box easily output a plain text file. I don't know if VB will do it like this (and obviously not the same commands), but this is what I did:

savevalue$ = getgadgettext(RICHBOXNAMEHERE)
open to write "myfile.txt",1
write string savevalue$,1
close file 1

That was all off the top of my head and it's still early (well..maybe not...but I just woke up) so I don't even know if I properly named the commands


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That seems right. Simple as that.

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Ok thanks!


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Quote: "Maybe you could upload those files on here because the site its hosted at Is rated red by Siteadvisor, Sure i trust it but i get scared when i see red,

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EDIT: Ohhh Great It also is loaded with spyware such as Fake anti spywares, maybe I wont get this at all!"


Sooo... Yes?

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Hey I'd really like to try it out can some one host the download for that missing file for me? PLEASE!

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