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Geek Culture / Sorry Cash Curtis II

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Kieran
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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 08:32 Edited at: 26th Jul 2007 08:32
This thread was made to apologise to Cash Curtis II for the fuss I have caused around here over the past few months.

Cash, I am sorry for ruining part of your Geisha House thread and for causing a fuss, also for wasting both of our times that could've been spent on developing instead of typing out arguments. Sorry for the unnecessary criticism towards Geisha House also.

Anyways if you would like to be friends (I understand if you don't) or just want to talk about something or resolve an issue then please contact me on either MSN, Yahoo or AIM. My addresses for them are attached to the bottom of all my posts.

Jeku
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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 09:53
Why don't you just email him?

Kieran
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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 10:52
Sorry Jeku, I thought a public apology would be better for this.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 11:20
I think a public apology is good for this forum. There certainly is a good supply of flame-wars here.
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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 11:25
Yeah, it's nice to see people set an example and admit their mistakes. I have this (perhaps misguided) feeling it might rub off on some of the more immature members, and help everyone grow up a bit.


Kieran
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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 11:35
Thankyou Uncle Sam and Fallout I hope Cash sees this and hears that I am sorry

Dazzag
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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 11:56
Quote: "help everyone grow up a bit"
What you talking about Willis?

Cheers

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Kieran
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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 12:23
@Dazzag

Lol!

Fallout
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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 13:01
@Dazzag

Quit your jibber jabber!!!!


Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 13:08 Edited at: 26th Jul 2007 17:41
I pity the fool that talk like Mr T!

Well, I think an apology is a good thing when you realise you've done something wrong, it shows some character. It does set a good example. Hopefully people will take that example properly.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 17:17
You're very lucky Cash gives second chances...after her receives his PayPal apology fee. But I'm sure you're already one step ahead.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 19:09
Really, good to see this publically. Makes perfect sense.

Jimmy
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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 23:42
I think people take internet forums too seriously.

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Zombie 20
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Posted: 27th Jul 2007 00:12
Jimmy-Come on I think apologizng for something he did wrong is pretty serious, and its very admirable too. A lot of the users on this forum I would consider my friends and I would hang out with them any day, whats wrong with expanding the people you know through a different medium?

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Posted: 27th Jul 2007 00:40
But it's a very different medium, because of the informality of it. My previous statement isn't just for those apologizing for offending others, but also for those who are offended by the words of some skinny little turd-eater hiding behind his big bad older half-brother, the internet.

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Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 27th Jul 2007 01:03 Edited at: 27th Jul 2007 01:05
Like people that just call others 'noob' out of no reason, they actually make me laugh, even you Jimmy who has said it out of a strange randomness. Though I hate people with no backbone, but being offended by them only makes them win more easily. However, apologising for offences, whether or not the person is offended (which I doubt Cash was), shows that you have character and a backbone.

[edit] of course you have to mean your apologies, otherwise they're just words that mean nothing and show you actually haven't learned anything. (Like that Navy SEALs fanatic Drew...how many times has he been banned now?)

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Posted: 27th Jul 2007 01:25
Hey, it's never random. That guy/woman/child was a bona fide noob.

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Kieran
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Posted: 27th Jul 2007 08:41
Wow this is getting off topic...

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Posted: 27th Jul 2007 11:00
Quote: "I think people take internet forums too seriously."


Yeah, most people do. Not worth getting offended by something some little turd eater who hides behind his big bad older brother t'internet says. But if you want something from a community - i.e. share games, get feedback, build professional/fun relationships for game development, get help etc. you need to be a little bit serious. You can't arsed about all the time and expect to get anything productive out of a community. So, it pays to build bridges and keep em strong by apologising when you're at fault.

Of course, I'll never apologise for anything, because I'm always right, and you're all retarded n00bs.


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Posted: 27th Jul 2007 11:12
Quote: "because I'm always right, and you're all retarded n00bs."


Alice in wonderland is a fairytale fallout obviously so is that quote

Cash Curtis II
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Posted: 27th Jul 2007 11:47 Edited at: 27th Jul 2007 11:48
Hey guys, I wish I'd seen this immediately, but for the past 36 hours I've been working nonstop to get my house packed out. I'm moving to Germany. That means I'm coming to the Dark Basic convention you turds My computer is gone, I'm taking a beer break on my laptop while the movers haul out everything that I own. Except for my debt, which owns me.

Kieran, thank you. We have had a problem for a while now, and while we've discussed it over e-mail there remained a weird tension. I think that this type of gesture is very admirable. Indeed, any ill feelings that I've had have instantly vanished upon seeing this. I'm sorry too, I know I didn't help things with some of the things that I said in reply. Feel free to add me to your MSN. However, since I'm moving, I probably won't be on much for the next month or so.

Now Jimmy, I disagree with you wholeheartedly. Like Fallout said, this is a community, and although it is informal and we don't generally know each other apart from Internet communication, it does not invalidate the relationships that we establish and maintain. We spend time making games and we spend time communicating here with each other. Anything that you give real time to becomes very real and warrants serious consideration. If I spend two years putting everything I have into making a video game then it really means something. The people that have helped me out in doing so also come to mean something. You seek to trivialize this without really considering it, I believe.

Thanks Kieran, and thanks everyone


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Posted: 27th Jul 2007 11:52
Quote: "That means I'm coming to the Dark Basic convention you turds"


If you actually go, I'll consider going chap. Not because I think it'd be good to meet you, but purely because it's the only opportunity I'll ever get to smack you in the face and take your wallet.


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Posted: 27th Jul 2007 12:22
Hey Cash, thankyou it is very nice of you to forgive me so easily. If I knew your MSN address I would gladly add you

Jimmy
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Posted: 27th Jul 2007 15:20
Quote: "Not worth getting offended by something some little turd eater who hides behind his big bad older brother t'internet says."


Yes... I'm glad you agree...

Quote: "But if you want something from a community - i.e. share games, get feedback, build professional/fun relationships for game development, get help etc. you need to be a little bit serious. You can't arsed about all the time and expect to get anything productive out of a community. So, it pays to build bridges and keep em strong by apologising when you're at fault."


Quote: "Now Jimmy, I disagree with you wholeheartedly. Like Fallout said, this is a community, and although it is informal and we don't generally know each other apart from Internet communication, it does not invalidate the relationships that we establish and maintain. We spend time making games and we spend time communicating here with each other. Anything that you give real time to becomes very real and warrants serious consideration. If I spend two years putting everything I have into making a video game then it really means something. The people that have helped me out in doing so also come to mean something. You seek to trivialize this without really considering it, I believe."


See, what I do is be as judgmental as possible at all times and only act right with the people I feel are worth a lick. That way there's no doubt in the other person's mind where they stand with me. I make plenty of friends in this community and distance myself from the those who aggravate me. I find I'm much more productive and cheerful that way.

If Kieran really thinks you (Cash Curtis) are worth his time, he should just keep this business between the two of you. To feel he needs to apologize to the entire community is taking it to an unhealthy extreme due to the large number of individuals in the community that don't deserve it.

Quote: "I think that this type of gesture is very admirable."


You just like it because he said your name out loud

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Posted: 28th Jul 2007 01:07
@Cash
Awsome about the TGC convention going. Hope to see you there. I'll be the geeky kid with the bad teeth and bald head.


Cheers,

-naota

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Posted: 28th Jul 2007 01:18
We can all get Cash's autograph, then break into his bank account later on.

Cash Curtis II
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Posted: 28th Jul 2007 19:19
@Kieran -
My MSN address is my e-mail address listed below.

@Jimmy -
Quote: "You just like it because he said your name out loud"

Not at all. It's because done publically like this it comes across as sincere, since it is done without concern for personal pride. Personally I'd rather apologize for something personally (via e-mail in this case) because posting such a thing in a public forum will be scrutinized by everyone. No doubt Kieran felt the same way but thought that making his feelings known to everyone was more important.

@Fallout -
Quote: "If you actually go, I'll consider going chap. Not because I think it'd be good to meet you, but purely because it's the only opportunity I'll ever get to smack you in the face and take your wallet."

Goodness... that was my plan for you...

@Higgins -
Quote: "We can all get Cash's autograph, then break into his bank account later on."

Goodness. Am I being paranoid or is there a pattern forming here?

@Aaron Miller -
Quote: "Awsome about the TGC convention going. Hope to see you there. I'll be the geeky kid with the bad teeth and bald head."

Goodness. You'll also have a Playboy bunny on your arm, I'll be on the lookout


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Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 28th Jul 2007 20:23
Quote: "Goodness. Am I being paranoid or is there a pattern forming here?"


I dunno, depends, are you gonna give me your wallet or not? *Points a banana at you*

I think you hit the nail there on contradicting Jimmy, though apologies are meant to be personal, but when you realise you've been a jerk and it's been public, giving up your pride for justice/decency is admirable, though this is an internet forum and it's generally easier to say things, it still takes self realisation and a different kind of courage.

Hakuna Matata
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Posted: 29th Jul 2007 01:58
Quote: "Goodness. You'll also have a Playboy bunny on your arm, I'll be on the lookout"

Okay, but you might not see it as there will probably be a girl covering it.


Cheers,

-naota

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Posted: 29th Jul 2007 02:32
Thanks all, Cash is right though...

lol @ Aaron

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Posted: 29th Jul 2007 06:10
Cash would usually show up at a convention and slap everybody around, but rumors say he's grown flabby and hunchback from working on his game too much...the athletic Cash Curtis Raven used to fear is now a harmless pudgy man.

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Posted: 29th Jul 2007 06:29
Now that made me feel all gooey inside. *Snif*.

No really, glad you two made up and Kieran, hey, really, respect for apologizing this way. There should be more like you on the forums. You know, people who admit their mistakes. Since Cash/Kieran kinda was the Borat/Kazachstan of TGC, I think it's great this was public.

Now, if you excuse me, I'll be figuring a way to get Cash's wallet BEFORE you all get it. Or otherwise I'll just nuke the place. Either I get the wallet, or someone else does. This someone else should however expect to be disintegrated by an nuclear explosion (except for Fallout, who'll be absorbed and spread out by the fallout).

Kieran
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Posted: 29th Jul 2007 08:49 Edited at: 29th Jul 2007 09:22
Lol thanks tha_rami.

EDIT:
Quote: "f Kieran really thinks you (Cash Curtis) are worth his time, he should just keep this business between the two of you. To feel he needs to apologize to the entire community is taking it to an unhealthy extreme due to the large number of individuals in the community that don't deserve it."


Well actually I may have offended a number of people within the community, but definitely not on purpose so I decided to make sure everyone knew I was truly sorry. Anyways its behind us now

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Posted: 29th Jul 2007 09:25
Jimmy, the awesomeness of your website consumed me.

Add me on MSN, me gots some q's.

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Posted: 29th Jul 2007 14:54
Uh oh, it's time for some hardcore MSN! And the 'S' doesn't stand for s-...

What does the 'S' stand for?

Quote: "I think you hit the nail there on contradicting Jimmy, though apologies are meant to be personal, but when you realise you've been a jerk and it's been public, giving up your pride for justice/decency is admirable, though this is an internet forum and it's generally easier to say things, it still takes self realisation and a different kind of courage."


Now you're giving him way too much credit. Given some time, and if he actually changes, we can all happily acknowledge it as an act of "self realisation and a different kind of courage." Right now it's just another lame apology that's thrown out there in hopes that it will *poof* magically change everything.

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Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 29th Jul 2007 15:38
Typically a public apology takes balls, though it is the internet and it's easier to do one, though you are sort of right, Drew made a public apology and insulted everyone in his apology thread - seeing if he actually changes is a good point, because it makes the apology meaningless if he didn't. But having faith in the user and encouraging them that they've done the right thing is positive reinforcement in order to follow through with his apology. If it turns out he hasn't learned anything and does it again, it'll be a stab and the back, those positive comments on his character can just as easily be taken back and if that were so then I can easily see them turning into flames with this community. And would render the point of his posting useless, as Navy SEAL fanatic Drew's was, as he never actually learned anything after being banned on multiple occasions and his initial apology remains meaningless and so do any positive comments given to him.

Hakuna Matata
Tom J
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Posted: 29th Jul 2007 16:04
Kieran and Cash were adversaries?

I need to pay more attention.

Kieran
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Posted: 29th Jul 2007 21:55
"were" yes, well I think Cash is a cool person, and I haven't done anything wrong yet

Cash Curtis II
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Posted: 30th Jul 2007 18:57
Quote: "Kieran and Cash were adversaries?"

No. We had some communication problems that escalated. I sure wouldn't consider us 'adversaries' at any point, according to the true meaning of the word.


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Posted: 30th Jul 2007 21:17
They had a gun duel at dawn. Cash showed up and won by pistol whip to the head.

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Quote: "Cash showed up and won by pistol whip to the head"


Whose? His own?
Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 31st Jul 2007 00:58
The duel was how quickly can you get knocked out? Interesting one.

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