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Geek Culture / what costs 5 times more to run?

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indi
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Posted: 6th Aug 2007 17:36
Quote: "Spyware and security cleaning by Geek Squad: a $200 annual servicing over seven years = $1400"
Bloody hell, that's a bit pricey....

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Posted: 6th Aug 2007 17:38
That's quite shocking actually, but it's clear the author is biased to the extent that he'd find the most expensive spyware and antivirus solution to prove his point

Quote: "
•Seven years of AntiVirus 2000 $50, plus $30 for six annual updates = $230
•Spyware and security cleaning by Geek Squad: a $200 annual servicing over seven years = $1400
"


What's wrong with AVG, Adware, Windows Defender and Spybot - amongst others ?

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Posted: 6th Aug 2007 18:48 Edited at: 6th Aug 2007 18:48
Quote: "Adware"
You mean Ad-aware?

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Posted: 6th Aug 2007 19:00 Edited at: 6th Aug 2007 19:03
Well you have to expect that you'll have more problems with something if you use it 5 times more than something you'll never need to use.

I'm not sure what that topic tries to prove apart from the fact that Windows is far more popular than Mac (hence all the malware).

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Posted: 6th Aug 2007 19:12 Edited at: 6th Aug 2007 19:13
Pfft, doesn't mean much, at the end of the day weather you are a PC owner or an apple owner governs weather or not you use either operating system. Frankly, given that the latest generation of apples are now intel based and fully capable of running Windows, in my mind the Apple as we knew it no longer exists beyond that of a brand name, and some rather pricy parts. The only way this will really affect anyone is if Apple finally open their OS up to all PC Platforms and sell in direct competition with windows. Frankly that's not going to happen because apple are too afraid that they will get their bum's whooped.
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Posted: 6th Aug 2007 19:43
Quote: "Quote: "Adware"
You mean Ad-aware?"

Yes, yes I do. Thanks

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Posted: 6th Aug 2007 23:01 Edited at: 6th Aug 2007 23:03
Quote: "The only way this will really affect anyone is if Apple finally open their OS up to all PC Platforms and sell in direct competition with windows. Frankly that's not going to happen because apple are too afraid that they will get their bum's whooped. "


I don't think it's going to happen because Apple has no reason to open up OS X. At the moment they can charge more for their hardware because they know people who want to run OS X will buy it.

I'm happy with my Mac and now that they can run Windows apps I don't really see a reason to move away from Apple or bother upgrading my Windows pc (I don't play many new games).

Maybe in the future that will change but for now it's all good.

EDIT:: I do however think Mac users can often seem a bit twatty when it comes to constantly jabbering on about how great their computer is compared to Windows machines...

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Posted: 7th Aug 2007 00:12
sry you need to go download vista then.


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Posted: 7th Aug 2007 02:50
Im a dual user, I just thought it was interesting to see the juxtaposition of how windows users say macs are expensive. lmao.

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Posted: 7th Aug 2007 03:02
So when you cut through the crap that's posted there you get:

Quote: "A Mac user since 2000, upgrading to each new version of Mac OS X:


1.
•$300 in operating system updates, or nearly $400 if purchased at full retail.
"


Quote: "
A Professional Windows user since 2000, upgrading at the one opportunity available:


1.
•$200 upgrade to XP Professional, or $300 for a new retail version.
"


As mentioned above no one spends 1400$ on spyware removal tools, anti viruses can be free and I personally use free versions of both and have never had any virus issues. lmao.

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Posted: 7th Aug 2007 03:21 Edited at: 7th Aug 2007 03:36
Quote: "sry you need to go download vista then."


Sorry you need to go learn how to not look like a numpty then.

I've had a quick scan of the article but I didn't see any mention of the amount of money a windows user might spend on upgrading their pc.

I've had the pc I'm using now about 3 years and not spent any money upgrading it because I'm not a serious pc gamer(the same reason I don't mind switching to mac) but for the people that are serious pc gamers and do spend money upgrading their puters that's going to add a hefty lump onto the total cost.

Now, if I had the money to upgrade my pc I would happily have a gaming rig under the desk (while using a mac for everything else) but for the time being I can't justify spending money on something that I would only use for gaming and I would have to keep spending money on when a 360 would suit me nicely.

I know my argument isn't perfect, I'm not trying to argue here.

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Posted: 7th Aug 2007 03:50
I know where your coming from soapy, hardware wasn't even factored in.
Oh well never mind, I thought it was an interesting article.

Quite frankly windows has become a real joke lately, Its bleeding obvious this isnt the place to address that here. Im not bothered, in fact its depressing to know people you think who are clever, get bogged down with a junk OS, and defend it to the bitter end, despite the face, nose etc.etc.
Dont you love the fact, the worst arguments come from those who never use both systems.
hypocrisy at its finest. Never mind, its not my place to correct the ignorant.

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Posted: 7th Aug 2007 04:01 Edited at: 7th Aug 2007 04:01
Like I've said before, it makes sense to use the operating system that suits you best. For some people that's Windows, others Linux and others OSX. It really doesn't matter what you use as long as it does what you want it to do and I doubt some people mind spending extra money on a system they are familar with and is most productive for them.

At the end of the day, I'm not going to buy a Mac because of various factors including, but not limited to, the inability to fully upgrade the hardware, the fact it's an unfamiliar operating system and the fact that the inital cost is too much for me - but for some people, a Mac with OSX would make a perfect system, and I don't see why people have a problem with that.

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Posted: 7th Aug 2007 04:01
Quote: "Quite frankly windows has become a real joke lately"

Do tell us this joke.

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Posted: 7th Aug 2007 06:46 Edited at: 7th Aug 2007 06:48
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•Seven years of AntiVirus 2000 $50, plus $30 for six annual updates = $230
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•Spyware and security cleaning by Geek Squad: a $200 annual servicing over seven years = $1400"


Whoever produces these price figures is a complete retard and should not be posting any form of information on the internet.

My figures:
11 years of various antivirus programs: $0.00
spyware and security cleaning by yours truly: $0.00

Point to the author of that article and repeat with me: r-e-t-a-r-d.
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Posted: 7th Aug 2007 07:12
Its all over the internet and its a given that they are expensive to maintain.
Here is a corporate scenario suggest 8000 to 24000 dollars per year. and yeah intel are retards, pfft.
http://www.aaxnet.com/design/msanti.html#costs
Expensive waist of technology if you ask me, for something that costs a few grand to setup.

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Posted: 7th Aug 2007 08:23
But that's a corporate scenario, all of the costs listed there that amount to '$24k' are "lost productivity, disruption from continuous upgrades, network downtime, high training costs, employee "fiddle" time, extra servers compensating for poor performance, excessive help desk calls" which do not need to happen for a PC user, sure you will have to upgrade it every few years but doesn't this go for all systems?

Besides Macs aren't exactly commonly used as servers compared to Linux/Windows so it's not really a fair comparison.

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Posted: 7th Aug 2007 08:55
I'm a Mac guy, using Windows for the moment until I can dual boot again. I don't see why some of you follow Windows blindly and don't even take a look at Mac.

Quote: "Well you have to expect that you'll have more problems with something if you use it 5 times more than something you'll never need to use."


What?

Quote: "I'm not sure what that topic tries to prove apart from the fact that Windows is far more popular than Mac (hence all the malware)."


I doubt that. Back when I had a Mac (not that long ago), I got no viruses at all. Computer didn't crash once, either. It's a much stronger OS, in my opinion.

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Posted: 7th Aug 2007 09:09
Everyone at work uses PCs--- everyone, even all the 2D/3D artists, video production, audio people etc. In fact many people *were* using Apple computers and they all switched over and had a lottery for the employees to take them home. There was obviously a good reason in a production environment to use Windows, and that's a real-world example right there. Somehow that article does not seem all that accurate

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Posted: 7th Aug 2007 09:11
I saw a making - of video of Star Wars Episode III, and tall their computers were Macs.

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Posted: 7th Aug 2007 09:41 Edited at: 7th Aug 2007 09:43
Quote: "What?"

I'm joking.

Quote: "I doubt that."

You doubt that Windows has all the malware because it's popular?

Quote: "I don't see why some of you follow Windows blindly and don't even take a look at Mac."

Well most of us don't really need a Mac, as Windows does everything most of us need. I wouldn't personally buy a computer that can't run all my favourite software.

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Posted: 7th Aug 2007 11:16
Quote: "Everyone at work uses PCs"
Yeah, same here. Dell's infact. Oh, and dumb terminals. I even quoted a whole new web booking system a couple of months ago and literally had to put "To be compatible with <insert list of main browsers here> but not Safari" into the ballpark because the F/E boys didn't have Macs (ok, so now can get on Windows too). This is from a company that once bought VS Enterprise just because one contractor on a massive Delphi/C++ based system had the exact code required (wrote it before working there) to do something, but it was in VB and he wouldn't give them the code to convert it. Apparently they quoted about £50k to write from scratch, so they spent about £500 on VS for a one time compilation. Nice. I mean they could have bought just VB, or perhaps the professional edition... In the end we were bought out and a friend told me his last job there was chucking stuff in the tip. Including the box for VS. Doh...

Saying all that though, I love Macs. My main year long project in Uni was on a Mac (HyperCard!!!!). And the first decent multimedia PC (with A4 monitor) I ever saw was a Mac. I think it was the 1st I saw with a CD too.

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Posted: 7th Aug 2007 18:06
I've never had anti-virus in five years, and if there are viruses on my PC, I don't care. They certainly aren't doing enough for me to notice.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Posted: 7th Aug 2007 20:20
Quote: "They certainly aren't doing enough for me to notice."

If you did have any, you would notice.
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Posted: 7th Aug 2007 22:10 Edited at: 7th Aug 2007 22:11
When I used a windows I had to do about a spyware, and virus scan about three times a week. I have spent lots of money on computer scanners for my Windows.

I can no longer buy things off my windows computer because it has happened twice where somebody got into my computer and some how stole my credit card number. It has really cost us, not much was chared both times, but it was not good.

Everything just seems to run faster on my mac too.

Whats also awesome is that I can run DirectX10 graphics on my apple without upgrading anything.


So I am very happy with my apple, after I buy vista I am never gonna buy anything windows ever EVER again.

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Posted: 7th Aug 2007 22:16
Quote: "Whats also awesome is that I can run DirectX10 graphics on my apple without upgrading anything."

Doesn't the fact that DX10 is only for Vista kind of stop you there?

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Quote: "Doesn't the fact that DX10 is only for Vista kind of stop you there?"


You download Bootcamp, and that runs Windows XP or Vista. And bootcamp is also free.

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Quote: "You download Bootcamp, and that runs Windows XP or Vista. And bootcamp is also free."

Cool, so this means I only have to buy two operating systems?



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Posted: 7th Aug 2007 22:59
That makes it 1+5=6 times more expensive!


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Quote: "Cool, so this means I only have to buy two operating systems?"

I doubt they were planning to pay for that.

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Posted: 8th Aug 2007 00:23 Edited at: 8th Aug 2007 00:25
I would rather stick an over sized novelty titanium spork in my eye, rather than switch to a Mac purely based on a highly biased article telling me that it's 5x more expensive to run Windows.

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Quote: "hypocrisy at its finest. Never mind, its not my place to correct the ignorant."


It's a real shame we have to do the exact same thing to you


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Posted: 8th Aug 2007 08:22 Edited at: 8th Aug 2007 08:25
Hmm. I fully agree with dark coder:

So when you cut through the crap that's posted there you get:

Quote: "
"A Mac user since 2000, upgrading to each new version of Mac OS X:
1.
•$300 in operating system updates, or nearly $400 if purchased at full retail.
"

A Professional Windows user since 2000, upgrading at the one opportunity available:
1.
•$200 upgrade to XP Professional, or $300 for a new retail version.
"
"


I know of few private computer owners that have computer knowledge that would pay for antivirus and spyware removal.

Macs are good, sure, they do what they must and I enjoy using both Macs and PC's. But in the end, most of my software (except Photoshop) is better ran on a PC - so honestly, my Mac has been catching dust lately. I just feel that whoever wrote this article needs to wake up and realize he just made a huge fool out of himself by using such figures (+ the Mac/iTunes sponsoring/advertisement all over the site didn't really work at his credibility).

Personally, my Vista Home Premium edition came OEM (€199, I guess) with my laptop - that's all costs I've spend on Vista/maintenance till now (not counting screen cleaner). That's less than his €300 for Mac.

Maintaining an Opel is 10000 times more expensive than a Ferrari:
PER YEAR


Opel:
First class parking lot for 1 year: €5.500
Daily cleaning: €14.000
Specially manufactured oil/benzin/petrol: €520.000
Transport by helicopter to garage for maintenance: €120.000
Maintenance by a professional pit crew: €91.000

Ferrari:
Cleaning wheels and front window: €75

BOTH CARS DRIVE THE SAME DISTANCE!!!

Now isn't that obvious now? Go buy Ferrari.

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Posted: 8th Aug 2007 10:12
Found the article quite interesting, in a "fanboy" sorta way.
Although did make me wonder how much I'd spent over the years on maintaining Windows at home.

Starting from the first time I personally bought Windows (Windows 95 as before this, I maintained our Amiga)

[1995] Windows 95 : £45 (3.5" Floppy Version)
[1997] Windows 95 OSR2 : £25 (b-grade supply from work at the time CD-Version)
[1999] Windows ME Upgrade : £35 (CD-Version)
[2000] Windows 2000 Professional : £60 (CD-Version)
[2003] Windows XP Professional : £75 (VLK CD-Version)
[2007] Windows Vista Ultimate : £220 (VLK Retail DVD-Version)

When it still supported Windows, I used to subscribe license Dr Solomon's Anti-Virus until they went Mac-Only (which I only kept purchasing for my Macs until MacOSX Jaguar was released)

That was £35/year from 1995-1998. After that I've not actually used anything other than AVG, and for Vista the built-in Defender (OneCare) seems to work fine.

So for 12years of Windows, it's cost me about £460 for Windows itself, and £105 for Anti-Virus; which when 3.5" FDDs were still being used a lot was an absolute must for ALL OS.
Empire Monkey B was probably the most viriulant out there, just got into bloody everything; being safe from that was fairly important to me as it's only task was to just sit i the boot sector of FDDs and turn any file it came into contact with into random data. Didn't matter the OS you ran, if it was on a disk and you had no protection you were screwed royally.

In total (including Vista) I've spent less on Windows; than I have each time I've been forced to upgrade my bottom-end systems.

I've never been forced to upgrade my computer to use a new version of Windows (including Vista) even on my low-end systems. To me that's quite impressive. Sure Vista normally speaking refusing to install on something lower than 512MB RAM; the VLK and Business Editions will install on as little as 256MB, and run comfortably.
They also install and run on anythig 800MHz and above comfortably, as well as scaling down to run on practically any video hardware.

In-fact I've had Vista running fairly well, on a Celeron 800MHz - 196MB SDRAM 133MHz RAM - S3 ViRGE 4MB PCI. Something that Windows ME and XP just refused to do.. Windows 2000 did however.

Of course many of the features of Vista for that particular computer are off, and it's purely there as a resource server. Has very light power requirements (<70w) compared to this system that uses 2x 640w PSUs at almost 80% capacity.

In previous years I've had issues with hackers, spyware and such.. but only with Windows XP Professional when I first got it. It took a while to figure out how it differed from Windows 2000 to lock it down properly.

From an end-user point of view, Windows while it has a fairly steep initial cost; has been very cheap in every other respect.
Biggest thing that has saved time and money really is that if there is a task I want to do; there is software for it.

This is my biggest gripe with both Linux and MacOS. Don't get me wrong for work, I do like the performance the Macs' have provided over the years while working with Photoshop, Shake, Maya, etc. However until very recently there have been deathly unstable.
Although no doubt many here have experienced Windows blue-screens, anyone who has experienced a Mac crash will know full-well they're ten times worse.. and denying that is just retarded.
Yes MacOSX is more stable than previous versions, but now rather than trying to fix the problem causing massive data corruption before switching off; MacOSX will just close the app unexpectedly. poof! gone. Same with Linux if it experiences a problem with an app. Both situations again can cause data corruption with files you were working with at the time.

This has never happened on Windows. If it crashes, 9/10 it's because of a driver issue rather than software.. more to the point I don't loose data from it.

In a working evironment that has always been a VERY important factor to me.

This said, both MacOSX Tiger and Vista are extremely stable variants on their original versions. But Tiger does still have a tendancy to crash Photoshop and Maya on me; usually when I'm pushing the machine to it's memory and graphical capabilities.

Which brings me to another point actually. Both Linux and MacOSX are considerably slower when it comes with 3D in my experience... unless you have custom graphics driver, they just don't live up to what can be done on Windows. Alright so really this is down to the driver developers more than anything else, but again as my PCs are used for 3D Graphics and Gaming; this is a big factor for me.
For Macs the only cards I've found to be worthwhile, have been the professional FireGL and Quadro cards. Standard gaming cards are just close to pointless.. yes the new Intel based Macs this has changed considerably; but I still own a G5, and their performance is poor without workstation cards. Provided they even support the normal cards.

What's more is the move to Intel is still quick new, with no legitimate way for many to purchase the x86 MacOSX. This to me was quite annoying, because I either paid over the odds for the new Core 2 Duo hardware just to get MacOSX for Intel or ignored it and upgraded Tiger on my G5. That seemed a bad move from Apple, but luckily thanks to work I've been able to get a boxed copy of the software they only sell to business'.

At the end of the day, I don't really give two craps what the hell OS any of you use. That said, I find this constant bashing of Windows especially Vista truely irritating. If you don't like them, don't bloody use them.. and if you don't use them, why bother visiting a forum for a company who's entire product line is 100% Windows dependant?

You want to use Linux, or MacOSX.. fine, but newsflash.
NO ONE F***ING CARES YOU USE IT!

You see me making a post on here when I purchased Vista, saying "PWN3D!". No? Well that might cause there wasn't one, cause no one cares about me upgrading my OS like no one cares about you upgrading yours.

So you're a [insert arbitry POSIX OS here] user. Good for you, what you want a freaking ticker tape parade for it?

OMG I'm running AmigaOS4.0 on one of my computers.. maybe I should be declared forum president for a day if you get a ticker tape parade!

Get over yourselves and your OS. This is all getting old very quickly.

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Can't we all just get along??




(I've always found Linux a bit of a bummer to set-up (only newest kernels support my chipset what can laughably be referred to as 'properly'), whereas Windows I merely have to acquire the right drivers for. Problem is...well. Maybe it's just my installation habits, but the more fruit I add to my Windows install (ati drivers, ati tray tools, privoxy, vidalia+tor, ffdshow, handful of video + audio stuff, SharpDevelop and the .NET Framework...) the slower and slower boots get..)

LiteStep and WindowBlinds made a nightmare of my last windows xp install on this, though. I ended up getting so frustrated with the random every-two-minute freezes that i reinstalled, and here i am now.


I wish my games worked nicely on Linux. (WINE won't cut it, because the linux propertieary ati drivers suck. OpenSource ati ones not compatible with my chipset..)

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Posted: 8th Aug 2007 18:39
The sad thing about Mac users is that they always feel they have to bash Windows.

It reeks of desperation.

If you look at it from a far, say an alien race was describing human inventions, you have to say that OSX and Vista are 99.99% identical.

Trying to find differences between them just makes you look like a twat, let alone claiming that one 'completely demolishes' the other or whatever. The most anyone could possibly claim was that one was slightly better suited to them personally.

Windows is slightly better suited to me personally because it has a better library of game and game making software.

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Posted: 8th Aug 2007 20:13 Edited at: 8th Aug 2007 20:18
Hey any of you seen this yet? >> The new Amiga PowerDesign

All I can say is "U AM OWN'D!" heh

The PWRficient PowerPC Dual-Core 64bit Processor, is definately an interesting read for anyone who knows their processors.
Doubt this will be enough to resurrect Amiga from it's abject obsurity at this point.. but still atleast they're sticking true to their roots, eh Mac.

[edit]
And for those wondering, the PWRficient has variations running between 1.5-2.5GHz with 2-8Cores using a SuperScalar Cache system (similar to what you might find in a modern GPU).. meaning the more cores this beasty it's performance is incredible even without the need for threading specifically to each processor core; in-fact it wouldn't matter how many they threw in there, it'd just expand the processing capabilities without hitting data collision issues you get with current IBM PPC and x86 Multi-Core processors.

The design is obviously Cell inspired, but actually done in a way that improves performance rather than being a waste of time.
Can't wait to see these new Amigas roll off the line, as they just bursting with some impressive performance to match anything currently on the market.

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Bleurgh who's going to start writing code for a new type of processor?

x86 won, that's the end of it.

Amiga should have sold the designs to Intel.

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Posted: 9th Aug 2007 00:49
Wow, rubbish I say (To most of you). Firstly, if more people used Macs, Macs would have more bugs. How will Steve Jobs or his developers know how to fix their problems if no one really uses their software? Second, Windows is more popular, and has more software. If you don't want all the non-sense in Windows, do some damn work for it! Linux is better suited to servers, and *some* home use. I can't see Linux as being much more than that (Business wise, I think Linux is good). I have a Linux by the way. Finally, for everyone who is having virus, and spyware problems, LAY OFF THE PORN. Stick to one damn site, and don't look for more software you twits! I am very tired of these types of discussions. I am not favoring Windows, Linux, or Macs. In fact, I'll go against all those now. Windows is overloaded with registry problems and misleading software. Windows should be more secure, and could have been more secure for many reasons which I won't go over. I can't say anything about Vista as I don't have it. Linux is unpopular. Only a small portion of people use Linux. There's too many differant distributions, and too many differant implementations of a GUI for other software to keep up with. Linspire, for example, was the worst Linux software I have seen. It wouldn't execute any files that didn't come with it. It wouldn't execute any shell scripts I made, and setting up the internet was difficult compared to other operating systems. Macs are very unpopular. Their users usually boast about having no virus', and their computer being completely superior to other operating systems. That's rubbish. They are only that way because barely anyone uses them. Plus some of their sites (Not their main site) are hosted through WINDOWS based servers. Funny, isn't it?

In general, all operating systems suck, but you have to pick one if you want to use a computer. That or develop your software as actual operating systems.... Which is an obvious idiotic idea unless you plan to make your computer a one use only arcade machine.


Quite honestly, people complaining about these things are idiotic. If you don't like something, that's fine, just keep it to yourself or make a forum somewhere.




Cheers,

-naota

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Posted: 9th Aug 2007 01:09
Quote: "Bleurgh who's going to start writing code for a new type of processor?"


Beauty in design Chris.
Natively the PWRficient is effectively a standard PowerPC (P.A. the company who develop it are a founding member of Power.org along with Motorola and IBM who retain rights to the PPC architecture) .. so basically the processor is a standard instruction set.

Another quite awesome part of this new PPC processor, is that while for Intel Core 2 Duo, AMD AthlonX2 and IBM PowerPC MultiCore you have to write hardware threaded code in order to make the most of it; the PWRficient works is a SuperScalar design. Rather than programmers having to worry about how best to utilise the processing capabilities.. the processor itself does it, much like Shaders on the latest generation GPUs. This makes it not only extremely efficient at what it does, but also programming wise you have all the power available from the get go rather than having to program your ass off to unlock that potencial.

Finally, while yes when the 68k (and PowerPC) were dieing from the market due to poor business management by both Amiga and Apple; the x86 did end up becoming the staple of the home computer diet.
With Apple now calling it a day on the PowerPC processor it might seem like faith in it is lost, however this couldn't be further from the truth.

Apple walked away from PPC, because IBM the company who supplied thier chips could neither deliver in the numbers Apple needed; nor were their chips of the highest quality (causing many hardware faults leading to ppl blaming bugged software for crashes). So for Apple financially it was't sound to stick with IBM PPC.. this said the Xbox 360, Wii and Playstation 3 all use PowerPC-based processors inside them. Development wise they're also the easiest processors to program for nowadays.

What is possibly more interesting about this though is the Amiga version that is being developed, for Home and Power Design machines also has a nifty feature in the processor that allows it to hardware emulate other processors.. in Amigas' case the x86-32bit and 68k-Series. Given AmigaOS4.0 supports natively x86-32, PowerPC-32, PowerPC-64 and 68k processors all in the same environment this means that it is possible to utilise any software currently available for other achitectures on these new Amigas.

As an added incentive, the new AmigaOS4.1 being developed for them also provides support for Linux, and .NET 1.1/2.0 applications.

Don't get me wrong, I doubt this is as exciting to other ppl as it is for me. Realistically I don't see much coming of all of this for home users to get excited about for a while, but for business' the AmigaOS4 is an extremely stable platform and the new architecture of the PowerDesign means that single servers will be able to not only provide services for more clients (625 per system per core, which on an 8Core system means 5000 similtaneous clients) but also they can do that at a fraction of the power demands normal x86 hardware can with similar processing capacity.

(Core 2 Duo 2.7GHz - 65w, PWRficient 2.0GHz - 6-10w)
So I can see a good number of business' moving to Amiga Servers within the next year, especially if they want cross-platform technology compatibility with stable services.

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Posted: 9th Aug 2007 22:47
Guys there is a old saying, "To each his/her own" so i say shut it and siddown!

Everyone has a different view, leave it at that.

"I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road."
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Posted: 9th Aug 2007 23:39
If everyone did that, this forum would be a desert.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...

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