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Geek Culture / Thinking of buying a Mac- can i still run DBPro?

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Xenocythe
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Posted: 15th Aug 2007 08:06
If I bought a Mac in the near future, would it be possible to run Darkbasic Professional?

I've heard that Mac's also have Windows on them now... if i installed DirectX on that windows and installed darkbasic, could I use it as if I were actually using a PC?

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Posted: 15th Aug 2007 08:10
Only if its an intel based mac.

[1] Cold Dual boot from OSX to Win XP or Vista or Linux
Install bootcamp, when you start the machine up you either choose OSX or windows.
This is really the only way for best results.

or

[2] Through VMware or Fusion you could have linux osx and windows all open at the same time.
However this method greatly reduces the direct x functionality basically back to around DX 8.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2007 11:31
I have an iMac with windows xp on it. I haven't put dbp on it but I am sure it will run as it's basically a windows computer, but I have noticed some programs have issues with the hardware (video card mainly) mostly in the 3d department.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2007 11:35
some video cards have issues with a rom firmware, most are ok however.
eg: the 9800 256 raedon in this machine would need a rom flash before putting it into an intel based mac or win pc.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2007 12:25
You should be able to. Windows XP is fully functional on an intel Mac and well as my brother found out the other day, so is Vista - although he only used it to play Solitaire

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Posted: 15th Aug 2007 20:23
I have an iMac and I duel boot Windows XP with DBP and it works just fine so it should work for you. A word of warning though, don't get an emulator like Paralells and try DBP on that...some weird errors often happen.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2007 23:17
I'm not sure how helpful this is as I only use macs at school. But maybe this'll help I saw it on my rss feed on my homepage and thought, "Hey, I just saw a thread about this".

http://howto.wired.com/wiredhowtos/index.cgi?page_name=run_windows_on_a_mac;action=display;category=Live
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Posted: 16th Aug 2007 01:35
I have yet to understand why people spend all that money on Mac only to put Windows on it.


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Posted: 16th Aug 2007 01:38
Quote: "I have yet to understand why people spend all that money on Mac only to put Windows on it."


Best of both, I'd buy a Mac and only use the Windows side for DBP and Games, the Mac side for everything else, even internet.

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Posted: 16th Aug 2007 01:40
Quote: "I'd buy a Mac and only use the Windows side for DBP and Games, the Mac side for everything else, even internet."


Why?
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Posted: 16th Aug 2007 01:46
ill give you 100000+ reasons if you really want.

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Posted: 16th Aug 2007 01:49
Prefer them for one thing, I'm happier with its security and I've had a bad experience with Windows, plus it come what I want bundled with it, I prefer the interface and user-ability, I love the fact even if it's low spec it's stress free for me (Though other may beg differ and like-wise with windows, but each user is different) and well I want all that and what I can't live without that windows has, the way I see it is, why should I bog out on getting a Mac because it can't run everything I want in it's OS when I can get one and install an OS that'll run them when I want to use them.

Plus when the day comes when I move onto Torque properly, I'll have two OS's to compile to and to test with (3 if I run Linux under Virtual PC in Windows, but that would be taking the joke too far )

Of course that's 'IF' I were to get a Mac, being a student who hasn't had a job in a long time and will get one when I start uni (next month I hope, I'll find out tomorrow with my results) and I'm probably going to be subject to 'the cheaper option'.

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Posted: 16th Aug 2007 02:22
Quote: "ill give you 100000+ reasons if you really want."


Yes, please.
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Posted: 16th Aug 2007 02:47
Why does no one ever seem to ask about running Mac or Linux programs on a Windows based machine? Just a random thought.
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Posted: 16th Aug 2007 02:54
intel macs are windows based machines der!
basalisk emulates a g4 os 9 on intel/ amd machines.
linux questions pop up every now and then.

GG - not to mention spyware as well its a horrid system for security.

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Posted: 16th Aug 2007 07:05
Quote: "ill give you 100000+ reasons if you really want.
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I would like to know!
I was looking at MACs but there a little underpowred at the moment and they cost a hell of a lot of money!
But then again I love the Mac Pro... Pity it's not portable!



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Posted: 16th Aug 2007 10:15
Believe it or not, but Macs do run faster than you'd think with such small specs. At least, I feel they do.
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Posted: 16th Aug 2007 10:23
The only way to get the best of both worlds with macs and PC's is to get both!.

A mac is not a replacement for a PC, for most people the type of software they use defines whether they get a PC or a Mac, and for someone developing for DX, a mac is just a silly idea IMO. Really if you switch to a Mac, then it's best to switch languages too, maybe PureBasic, a language designed to be cross-compatible. It's a shame the 3D side of PureBasic is so lacking.

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Posted: 16th Aug 2007 10:25
If windows could handle the volume of web video and multimedia I have to accomplish on a daily basis I would be tooting its horn, shame its not.

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Posted: 16th Aug 2007 10:47
That's exactly my point Indi, your particular needs mean that a Mac is a better system for you, but most people here use software that is far cheaper or even free for the PC.

The Mac vs PC argument is only ever fought at tangents, it's different people fighting each cause. For instance your an artist/video engineer type, you like Mac's because the software available on the mac is better for what you do. I'm an IT engineer and have to provide business systems, and the PC simply owns the mac in that regard.

If money was no object, then I'd have one just for Photoshop, but like most people I have to opt for the platform that does everything I need.

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Posted: 16th Aug 2007 12:11
The windows platform lacks the tight integration of software products that should work harmoniously for years to come. A distance function is still a distance function regardless of its mathematical procedure to improve its result.

MS works in a deregulated marketplace without tight integration, harvested in parts from concepts larger firms outside of the business sector have been working since the 60's with the multics platform., which eventually diluted to unix and now linux.

MS releases products for you to endure that are clearly not ready yet, however you end up wasting time managing those issues. Im sure you wanted to manage those problems as they should have been issued on the box when you bought it.

The security and investment of the overall operating system brings no confidence in procuring more investment in establishing a platform that can only be relied on over a short term of years.
Win 98se win XP Vista 3 major changes, mac has made one universal change for the better.

Basically you have to buy more hardware each time someone at the core business dictates thats the cut off point to that hardware. Its obvious you can switch off features with other OS's and not have to invest more money in obvious technology grabbing hardware consumerism.
Its a joke to suggest a corporation that size cant add some if then variables for older machines.
Its proven with features in other Oses effectively.

The waist-full resources it consumes, the countless patches and fixes required to keep it running, not to mention the cut off point for technology that the core company keeps trying to push forward, when its clear a ten year old macintosh still adds another cpu to your current and todays render-farm power and can handle todays OSX which I have on 300 and 400 mhz machines that still work today and add more CPU power to my overall result.

MS has lost confidence in security and there is a time old tradition argument that the more people use it the more it will get exploited, however thats a minimalist view on the core of the operating system preventing such blatant holes of security that just dont exist on other platforms.

I speak from using three OSes concurrently for many years, Ive invested my career in knowing the faults of all and I know where my profit lies. I also manage about 20 large business I.T. sectors including finance companies and medical companies, so no Im not speaking from a pure arts background, I want something to work the way it was intended, I dont want a client to call me up with problems, the only ones that do are the windows business partners, the majority of the time.

Windows is a gaming platform that has a string hold but not for long.
Windows appears to be cheaper but the cost in the long run is a misnomer.

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Posted: 16th Aug 2007 14:05
I have a 20 inch p...iMac, and a 4 year old PC with a 2 year old graphics card. On my PC I can play oblivion on min specs jsut barely with choppyness that doesn't overly detract from the gameplay. On my iMac I can play oblivion on just a bit better settings and it runs just a bit better. On my PC I can barely watch a dvd let alone mix videos, on my iMac I can render 5 layers that are 5 minutes long in 30 seconds in final cut pro, whilst photoshopping the next graphic and adding it to a motion animation.

That is why I have an iMac, video editing, and yes pc's can edit too but the oc edit suite with better specs we bought for RMITV cannot render that well, although that could be an adobe premiere thing.

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Posted: 16th Aug 2007 16:33
Quote: "I would like to know!
I was looking at MACs but there a little underpowred at the moment and they cost a hell of a lot of money!
But then again I love the Mac Pro... Pity it's not portable!"


£1.3k for a MacBookPro with a Core Duo 2 processor, 2gb ram, 120gb HD, GeForce 8600 128mb doesn't sound too bad to me, though with most PCs you'll find it cheaper, but I could say you're buying quality hardware, but no doubt several people will beg to differ on the cheaper system, like for example my system has lasted 6 years and it's one of the cheaper PCs.

Plus, in my experience of Macs I've used, despite low specs Macs tend to exceed the speed of their PC equivalent, hence one reason they're more expensive. The one in the room next to mine has a Mac lower spec than this computer and exceeds mine in speed of task, though mine can do better in terms of running better games, but my PC is a higher spec.

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Posted: 18th Aug 2007 21:20
Security and stability have been the main features for me...I use a Macbook (not pro) 2Ghz 1GBram and I do all my music on it. Like people have said tho it depends on what you need it for, if your a programmer stick to windows.

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Posted: 18th Aug 2007 21:38
Quote: "If I bought a Mac in the near future, would it be possible to run Darkbasic Professional?
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Don't get a mac! They are just cheap imitations of PCs. Usually games are made for PC, Xbox 360, and maybe PS3, but if they even make a mac version of the game, it comes out way late!

Apple just recently discovered the two button mouse. It took them awhile! Go with the PCs. Much more reliable (mine hasn't crashed for ages, and it ain't nearly top of the line), bigger game selection, more usability, etc.

Of course there are others-Indi-that disagree, but don't believe them.

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Posted: 19th Aug 2007 00:52 Edited at: 19th Aug 2007 01:44
Ummm - Apple have been using 3 button mice for a while now - it comes as standard...

And late games is probably now a thing of the past - EA is now back supporting the Mac, and has just released 4 games, with some more to come in around a weeks time.

And of course, the major advantage for Macs is the lack of security problems, and no need for anti-virus programs and lack of dodgy popups.

One thing that isn't often mentioned is the installation of commerical software - on Windows you usually have to go through several installation windows before anything starts installing, whilst on a Mac you either drag the program to where you want it to so, or just select where it goes from the install screen, and thats it.

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Posted: 19th Aug 2007 15:28
Mac and Windows are two different operating systems, and they have their good sides and their bad sides. Personally I've got windows xp sp 2, and find it stable and perfect for my needs. Mac OSX feels shallow (have worked a bit with it in school, so I got that from experience. Don't know if it is shallow, but I get that feeling from it), which is the main reason that I prefer windows. But if you want to test mac, I suggest you do it. Just find what you like .
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Posted: 20th Aug 2007 08:26 Edited at: 20th Aug 2007 08:28
Quote: "or just select where it goes from the install screen"


That's all I do also. Copying files directly to a folder isn't always a good idea. That's what installers are for.



Quote: "Mac and Windows are two different operating systems, and they have their good sides and their bad sides. Personally I've got windows xp sp 2, and find it stable and perfect for my needs. Mac OSX feels shallow (have worked a bit with it in school, so I got that from experience. Don't know if it is shallow, but I get that feeling from it), which is the main reason that I prefer windows. But if you want to test mac, I suggest you do it. Just find what you like . "


That's kind of like the feeling I got: my friend has a mac, so I've seen them personally. *shudder*

Edit:

Oh, also another thing. If Apple is so great, why don't they make their own operating system?

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Posted: 20th Aug 2007 08:48
I would not bother with a MAC
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The people who call the Mac shallow im guessing are people who don't own one themselves? I have a Macbook (the 13 inch screen version) and let me tell you its anything but shallow it takes a bit of getting used to if you are using it after using windows (which im guessing alot of you guys who dont own one are) But once your past the learning curve, which doesn't take long at all you will notice the ease of use and stability that keep alot of people using the macs.

again the most important factor to what system you use is what you use it for, Im a musician and there is nothing better than the stability of the mac. If you want a machine that creates and programs games the pc is probably better.

Like someone said, the majority of games and programming engines are aimed at PC's however the creative packages are designed for mac. (music, 2d art 'photoshop', Video Editing)

Oh and something that mac has that pc doesn't for all you 'fanboys' out there....with a mac you can plug in 99% of USB/Firewire hardware and it will just work, perfectly, with no need to install drivers, no control panel fiddling....it just works! (suck on that )

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Posted: 20th Aug 2007 11:49
Quote: "Oh, also another thing. If Apple is so great, why don't they make their own operating system?"


They did...It's called MacOS X...if you're going to turn around and say they copied Windows, just look at some of Vista's features and ask yourself who had them first.

Quote: "Apple just recently discovered the two button mouse. It took them awhile! Go with the PCs. Much more reliable (mine hasn't crashed for ages, and it ain't nearly top of the line), bigger game selection, more usability, etc."


Wait...what? One of the reasons people buy Macs over PCs is stability, they're very stable - they care so much about stability as soon as they found the Sony batteries they were using on laptops were heating up, the got the problem sorted ASAP. When someone managed to pass through their security system, apple got straight onto the job and made an update to the problem. I don't know where you're getting your information, it's either incredibly inaccurate or out of date.

I'm not a Mac fan boy, but I will confidently say they're more stable than PCs, but won't say they're better as the word 'better' when talking about computers tends to be more or less subjective. But I prefer Macs for stability, performance, software performance and security (With Iirlicht and Torque ready for Mac and Mac's increasing number of games you may find I make the switch one day) and Prefer PCs for Direct X, Games, DBPro, easy to find PC experts (to fix problems or to upgrade if I can't do it myself), its price (cheaper than a Mac) and the fact I already know how to sort my PC out if it goes wrong.

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Posted: 20th Aug 2007 13:28 Edited at: 20th Aug 2007 13:29
Quote: "They did...It's called MacOS X...if you're going to turn around and say they copied Windows, just look at some of Vista's features and ask yourself who had them first."


I think the point he was getting at is that:
"Mac OS X is a Unix OS".

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Because its easier to use something thats well established and secure.

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Posted: 20th Aug 2007 21:50
Quote: " They did...It's called MacOS X...if you're going to turn around and say they copied Windows, just look at some of Vista's features and ask yourself who had them first."


Quote: " If Apple is so great, why don't they make their own operating system?
"


Oops, I meant "make use of".

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Ok, I'm sorry for getting a little excited back there. I'm just tired of mac lovers and pc haters, and I couldn't help myself. It's nothing personal.

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Posted: 20th Aug 2007 21:56 Edited at: 20th Aug 2007 21:56
You're tired of mac lovers and pc haters but you're a mac hater and pc lover.
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True, but that's because PCs are better.

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Quote: "I'm just tired of mac lovers and pc haters, and I couldn't help myself. It's nothing personal."


Pretty much equal here, I dislike people that hate a system they don't use and then preach it onto others, whether that be Mac or PC, however I didn't feel any Mac loving and PC hating vibes going on here - I found your comments mostly inaccurate and very anti-Mac. As I defend Vista when I find people make inaccurate points about it. Don't worry, I didn't mean to sound personal myself, it looked like you were another Mac hater who didn't know what he was talking about. But most of us 'sane' ones get annoyed by the anti mac and anti PC, stuff but I find even though you're fed up, stick to what you truly know and the facts and consider evidence given to you if you're going to join in and make a statement - one based on feeling and your experience with one OS - you kinda make mistakes.

But no hard feelings - personally, there were none in the first place, I was kind of shocked and had to contradict - then make a point in attempt to render the argument obsolete with basically the same sort of conclusion I get with every Mac vs PC thing.

Quote: "I think the point he was getting at is that:
"Mac OS X is a Unix OS"."


Fairplay - I assumed he meant something else from his 'imitation PCs' comment in another post.

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Uhh... yeah.. I got my answer in the first post... you guys can leave now

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Quote: "Quote: "I'm just tired of mac lovers and pc haters, and I couldn't help myself. It's nothing personal."

Pretty much equal here, I dislike people that hate a system they don't use and then preach it onto others, whether that be Mac or PC, however I didn't feel any Mac loving and PC hating vibes going on here - I found your comments mostly inaccurate and very anti-Mac. As I defend Vista when I find people make inaccurate points about it. Don't worry, I didn't mean to sound personal myself, it looked like you were another Mac hater who didn't know what he was talking about. But most of us 'sane' ones get annoyed by the anti mac and anti PC, stuff but I find even though you're fed up, stick to what you truly know and the facts and consider evidence given to you if you're going to join in and make a statement - one based on feeling and your experience with one OS - you kinda make mistakes.

But no hard feelings - personally, there were none in the first place, I was kind of shocked and had to contradict - then make a point in attempt to render the argument obsolete with basically the same sort of conclusion I get with every Mac vs PC thing.


Quote: "I think the point he was getting at is that:
"Mac OS X is a Unix OS"."

Fairplay - I assumed he meant something else from his 'imitation PCs' comment in another post.

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I guess I did get a little carried away, but I meant all that I said.

Quote: "Uhh... yeah.. I got my answer in the first post... you guys can leave now "


Sorry, we'll go now.

..Wait just one more thing. I have no experience with upgrading Macs: Since Macs all come with everything in the monitor(right?), wouldn't it be difficult to upgrade parts?

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There are different kinds, desktop, laptop, screen systems, and the mac mini (which is basically another desktop. You have the same options as when u buy a pc but you get that extra option of having just a screen.

Lol for the record I neither love or hate either machine 100% they have their ups and downs, its just that fr what i do mac is a godsend!

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