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RUCCUS
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Posted: 19th Aug 2007 19:59
I know its been suggested in the past but nobody has really paid much attention to it, so I thought I'd have one last stab at seeing if this will get accepted.

I notice, almost all of the time, newcommers will be asking questions, that are completely covered in many of the tutorials we've all submitted. Collision, multiplayer, fighting, saving files, etc. And every time, someone (hopefully) will point out the tutorial threads, tutorial city, etc.

The problem is, the threads are stickied at the top, which obviously doesnt work. People learn to skip over the first couple of threads, and newcommers end up never reading them. If however, there was a specific board for Tutorials, Im pretty sure newcommers would see it a lot better, as well as it being a good place to organize ALL of the tutorials once and for all (Tutorial City is nice, but I dont think Vink is updating it anymore, and I think a board from these forums would be easier for people to reach, not to mention see).

Obviously not everyone could post on them, so Rich or Lee (I forget who was the main Apollo guru... I think it was Rich, yeah?) would have to only allow MODs to post in it. I know there's MOD-only boards right now, so Im pretty sure it wouldnt be too hard to make another mod-only board, that newcommers can only see or reply to, but not post new threads in. Then, whenever someone writes a new tutorial, they'd post it on whatever board makes the most sense (usually Newcommer's Corner), and if a MOD decided it was worth while, they'd move it over to the tutorial thread.

It wouldnt have to be limited to tutorials, I'd think it should also have useful code snippets (USEFUL... not a jumping routine or some random stop watch... thats what the code base is for.), along with links to helpful resources for programming.

This would be so ideal. Newcommers could tick the "search only in this board" option on the search box, and fire in whatever problem they're having, and instantly see all of the quality tutorials that've been written on that subject. Hopefully when a mod moved the thread over, they would rename it to something that really went over what the tutorial covered well. There'd need to be a naming convention as well, stating if its for DBC or DBP, just like the other boards require.

So... reply if you're in favour of the idea, and maybe if enough people respond, and Rich or Lee has some free time on their hands, they can throw together a beta version of this.

- RUC'


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Posted: 19th Aug 2007 20:01
sounds like a plan to me!

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Xenocythe
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Posted: 19th Aug 2007 20:11
Sounds great. I'd go with it.

But, their gonna have to appoint a mod to handle it all. RUCCUS, if you cant mod the tutorial thread, I'd be happy to

Zotoaster
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Posted: 19th Aug 2007 20:13
That's an awesome idea!

"It's like floating a boat on a liquid that I don't know, but I'm quite happy to drink it if I'm thirsty enough" - Me being a good programmer but sucking at computers
Unlordly
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Posted: 19th Aug 2007 20:14
That's a great idea. I vote yes.
Code Dragon
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Posted: 19th Aug 2007 20:27
I vote yes, been wanting a tut board for awhile.

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CattleRustler
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Posted: 19th Aug 2007 20:38 Edited at: 19th Aug 2007 20:41
Good idea, except the bit about a dedicated mod, and a mod moving posts there...

a better idea for that part would be to allow anyone to post a tutorial there, but have the thread on approval status regardless if the user posting it is on approval status themself. Then the mods merely need to read the tutorial and approve it or delete it. The tutorial thread should be invisible to normal users until it is approved.

Moving threads takes forever and a day

We are still waiting for a dedicated DGDK.NET forum to run parallel to the original dgdk (c++) forum btw

My DBP plugins page is now hosted [href]here[/href]
Xenocythe
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Posted: 19th Aug 2007 20:58
Cattle, what about this:

Anyone can view the tutorial board.
If someone posts in the tutorial board, the tutorial goes to pending mode. A mod then reads over the tutorial, and if its good he lets it to to the board. If not, he deletes it, and a message is sent to the user through e-mail telling them "Your tutorial did not meet our expectations."

If someone posts a tutorial in the wrong board, its just locked on spot. Deleting it would mean they don't have the opportunity to copy-paste it into a new thread in the appropriate board.

Appointing a new mod to handle the tutorial board, but only the tutorial board, would be a good idea imo. RUCCUS would do a graet job, as so would I.

Kenjar
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Posted: 19th Aug 2007 21:19 Edited at: 19th Aug 2007 21:24
My only concern about a tutorial board, is the quaility of the tutorials posted. I don't think anyone wants to see a few hundred spinning cube tutorials! As for a dedicated mod, you either have to pay someone, or open it up to all mods.

The other aspect of this, is if we go with the approval system, TGC will need to pay to have that implimented. There are better systems that could be implimented if TGC are going to fork out for it.

Also there is no organization to a board, good tutorials will eventually be mixed in with the average, and not so good ones. It's hard enough finding things on this forum, for newbies, as it is. Forcing this forum as a tutorial platform wouldn't be a good idea. Newbies have a hard enough time finding information as it is.

Finally TGC has a tutorial and codebase system in place. Really, rather then having a board, I think it would be better to adjust that, have users e-mail in their tutorials, create an index page online, then add that link into the DarkBASIC Help system. Whenever you click on Tutorials the add a proper search and catagory engine to it. Yes it would still cost TGC money, but it would provide a far better experiance, and help to boost the existing TGC tutorial list, in a place that's organized and accessible from within DBPro itself.
Zotoaster
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Posted: 19th Aug 2007 21:24
Quote: "My only concern about a tutorial board, is the quaility of the tutorials posted"


Have you read the last few posts?

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Kenjar
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Posted: 19th Aug 2007 21:25
Did you read what else I went on to say?
Zotoaster
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Posted: 19th Aug 2007 21:31
Quote: "TGC will need to pay to have that implimented"

Why?

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Gil Galvanti
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Posted: 19th Aug 2007 21:50
I like the idea, and I think that all threads should be reviewed by a mod before being accepted.


Kenjar
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Posted: 19th Aug 2007 21:56
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Because writing for this site is done professionally that's why. Professionals tend to want paying. The current post authorisation system is a global condition, not board related function.

As I say, TGC has a code base and tutorial system in place, it's better to improve that and intergrate it with the existing DBPro help system rather then have a board full of posts with no organisation to them. You need an catagory system, and index and a word search engine. This forum only has one of those.
RUCCUS
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Posted: 19th Aug 2007 22:03 Edited at: 19th Aug 2007 22:04
Theres ways to sort out the average tutorials from the good ones. If a mod sees a tutorial is doing really well and is really helpful, they could add a star icon at the beginning, allowing others to know its one of the higher quality tutorials.

The problem I see with the main tutorials page on tgc is a) barely anyone knows about it, b) I havent seen them update the thing in ages, and c) theres no way to leave quick feedback or questions, without emailing the author, or coming to these forums and making a post about it.

I dont really think it would cost TGC much at all to add it, no? All it really is is another board with a few restrictions, seeing as Apollo was written from scratch, Im sure it wouldn't take long to get it implemented.

And ken about the quality of tutorials posted, when I suggested a MOD would read over all submitted tutorials, Id assume they would only accept the top quality ones in the first place, so really, the worst tutorials on the board would still be of great quality, unless a MOD gets lazy and just adds a bunch randomly. Then again, there could be a 3 way approval system, where 3 mods need to check it over before it's submitted... but thats getting a little more complicated than need-be I think.

People could still always post their tutorials on the other boards like they are now, and if a mod happens to come across it, they can pop it over to the other board assuming its good.

While Im suggesting this, Ill throw in my other forum feature Ive suggested a few times that hasnt gotten much attention:

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=83988&b=2

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Quote: "As I say, TGC has a code base and tutorial system in place, it's better to improve that and intergrate it with the existing DBPro help system rather then have a board full of posts with no organisation to them. You need an catagory system, and index and a word search engine. This forum only has one of those."


That does make more sense, but I think there should be a link that looks like a board on these forums, that links to the codebase / tutorials. That, or at least a more visible link on the main toolbar up top.


Kenjar
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Posted: 19th Aug 2007 23:23
Quote: "Quote: "As I say, TGC has a code base and tutorial system in place, it's better to improve that and intergrate it with the existing DBPro help system rather then have a board full of posts with no organisation to them. You need an catagory system, and index and a word search engine. This forum only has one of those."

That does make more sense, but I think there should be a link that looks like a board on these forums, that links to the codebase / tutorials. That, or at least a more visible link on the main toolbar up top."


Perhaps not like a board, but yes a link of some kind would be a very good idea. As it is codebase and the tutorial set are basically ignored. But there's absolutely no reason for that to continue.

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