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Xarshi
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Posted: 25th Aug 2007 05:31
Well,I just ordered my second computer. Its relatively nicer than the one I had ordered before,so I'm happy. Here are the specs:

OS - Windows Vista Home Premium
CPU - Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600
RAM - 2048MB DDR2 667(not the best,but its ok)
HDD - 500GB 7200RPM
GPU - NVidia GeForce 8800GTS 320mb Factory OCed(this is fun)
PSU - 700W PSU

I think it'll be better than my other computer. Its nicer in terms of the HDD and GPU. Otherwise its the same...

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Mr Makealotofsmoke
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Posted: 25th Aug 2007 06:29
Quote: "RAM - 2048MB DDR2 667(not the best,but its ok)"

its pretty good.

i got 1gig DDR2 533 so dont complain

Agent Dink
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Posted: 25th Aug 2007 06:55
Sounds like a nice system. I wish I had one like that hehe.



Xarshi
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Posted: 25th Aug 2007 07:11
Mr Makealotofsmoke - yeah,haha,I'm not complaining. Slightly worried on how vista will perform,but I can always go back to xp if I need to.

Agent Dink - Yeah,I'm psyched man. I've never had a computer that supports pixel shaders,so this is going to be a step up for me definately,haha. I can't wait. I will definately have it by next friday. I also got a 19 inch wide screen with it. I definately plan on watchin' some good movies with that thing. Plus I got the logitech x230 2.1 speaker system(2 radio speakers and 1 sub-woofer). So yeah,I am sooooo excited. I can now record again(I used to be able to record me on guitar,create some drum loops,make a bass track,and then mix it down to have an almost professional quality song,hehe). So I am really looking forward to this.

One thing,not sure if its bad or not,is that it is from gateway. I customized it to my liking and everything. Costs about 500$ more than I wanted,but i have a year until they start charging interest. So thats gonna be good(I'm sure I can get 1800$ in a year,else I'll get it in a year and a couple months). I'll be able to play oblivion on max settings,which,as of right now,I can't play it. Anyways,I'm finished ranting...

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Mr Makealotofsmoke
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Posted: 25th Aug 2007 07:16
im gonna get a new GFX card soon
when DX10.1 comes out cause apparently DX10 cards wont support DX10.1

bitJericho
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Posted: 25th Aug 2007 07:18 Edited at: 25th Aug 2007 07:25
Dude, that's a way high end computer What are you talking about

Vista's gonna scream on that system. I can run all my games on full quality, have aero and dreamscenes going (it feels wierd having background processes like that running when gaming), and you're computer is just a notch or two above the one I'm running, so you're gonna love it

BTW, when you get your compy setup, make sure to download this:

http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=30244

Amazing to watch it in real time on the compy instead of on youtube

Oh, and in case you're wondering, I'm running a core 2 duo with a 8600gts gfx card, 2gigs of ram, not oc'd.

bitJericho
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Posted: 25th Aug 2007 07:19 Edited at: 25th Aug 2007 07:20
Quote: "im gonna get a new GFX card soon
when DX10.1 comes out cause apparently DX10 cards wont support DX10.1"


Stop spreading misinformation. DX10 cards are not going to be outdated by the time dx10.1 comes out, it's going to take a few years before most games support dx10, let alone the very minor updates in dx10.1 which you are very likely to not even notice. This info came straight out of ms's mouth.

Xarshi
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Posted: 25th Aug 2007 07:31
I do agree that the dx10 cards currently won't get outdated very soon,but the 8800gts seems to have problems running d3d10 itself for some reason. idk why,but the call of juarez dx10 thing was running slow on the gpu I'm getting. I don't even care about that,I will develop in dx9 for a while myself.

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Xarshi
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Posted: 26th Aug 2007 01:30
Just got my speakers and wireless usb adapter today. Man,my speakers are amazing for only 40$. It has a subwoofer,2 speakers,and a command center thingy that I can plug my mp3 player into

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bitJericho
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Posted: 26th Aug 2007 01:33
I happen to have coj, I'll install it and run the benchmark, you should post your results so we can compare I'll post my results later tonite.

tha_rami
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Posted: 26th Aug 2007 02:08
Quote: "[quote]Quote: "im gonna get a new GFX card soon
when DX10.1 comes out cause apparently DX10 cards wont support DX10.1"
"

Stop spreading misinformation. DX10 cards are not going to be outdated by the time dx10.1 comes out, it's going to take a few years before most games support dx10, let alone the very minor updates in dx10.1 which you are very likely to not even notice. This info came straight out of ms's mouth.[/quote]

I didn't see him spreading misinformation. DX10 cards will NOT support DX10.1. So if he wants to wait for DX10.1, I can fully understand that, personally. Even for minor updates it's worth waiting a little while.

Personally I'm disturbed by the quick 'baseline-reset', as someone called it.

bitJericho
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Posted: 26th Aug 2007 02:15 Edited at: 26th Aug 2007 02:16
Quote: "Personally I'm disturbed by the quick 'baseline-reset', as someone called it."


Are you talking about system restore? You shouldn't rely on system restore to fix your computer I've never heard about this issue so I dunno anything about it.

Quote: "I didn't see him spreading misinformation. DX10 cards will NOT support DX10.1. So if he wants to wait for DX10.1, I can fully understand that, personally. Even for minor updates it's worth waiting a little while."


I suppose if you want to wait till next year for sp1 to be released, and wait for graphics cards to catch up and be manufactured for dx10.1 compatibility

It's not worth waiting if you want something now. I can see your point where someone may want to wait until dx10.1, but by that time they'll be working and have announced dx10.1c Or some other big thing.

Mr Makealotofsmoke
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Posted: 26th Aug 2007 02:43
Xarshi
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Posted: 26th Aug 2007 05:41
Mr Makealotofsmoke - haha,yup,I think you could to.

Just watched a movie on my bros laptop with my new speakers and oh boy its amazing. The sub-woofer adds SOOO much into the sound quality. I look forward to playing games with these speakers. Its going to be crazy.

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 26th Aug 2007 12:09
I've got DDR200. It's fast enough. Not brilliant though.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
Pincho Paxton
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Posted: 26th Aug 2007 14:15
You save hundreds of pounds by building your computer from the seperate parts yourself, but if you can afford to buy a pre-built computer then this computer sounds awesome.

GatorHex
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Posted: 26th Aug 2007 15:39
Quote: "You save hundreds of pounds by building your computer from the seperate parts yourself"


I priced up building my own and it was the same price as a Dell. Even then i had forgotten to add the cost of Windows Vista so if I'd have added that it would have been more expensive

It might be different for top end machines, I was just looking at the lower/middle end

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Lucy
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Posted: 26th Aug 2007 18:05
Quote: "NVidia ... Factory OCed"


Oh, I'd send it back and choose a different company to build the machine... Or better yet, save youself over 50% of the cost and build it youself, that way you can get parts that aren't overclocked and therefore won't break down and leave you blaming Windows for something that's actually the cause of the stupidity of the person putting the machine together.

Seriously though, jokes asside. I've noticed that overall, you get one of two things from overclocking. Either less speed or less stability. The less speed is because the extra heat causes the chip to actually slow down if it doesn't cause glitches or outright destroy it.

If that doesn't describe why it's a bad idea, the chips are often clocked as fast as they can go while being stable in the first place. They take the chips from a batch, test them to see how fast they go, and then throw them into the proper speed bracket and stamp them. They do NOT stamp the marks for the speed onto the chip until AFTER they've already tested how fast it can go without losing anything.

Now why do they do that? Because the manufacturing process isn't as "scientific" or as "refined" as they'd like you to believe. Plus, all the chips cost the same to make regardless of speed. Since faster chips sell for more, it only makes sense in a business sense to label them for their fastest stable speed.

That being said, if you ARE going to continue worshipping overclocked crap, invest in a good oil cooled case. and possibly run a radiator through the oil to cool the oil further. I have two computers that aren't overclocked running on aircooling in my living room and it's at least 10 degrees hotter in here than in the other rooms from just the computers alone.

Nothing I say is intended to be rude. My autism means that I do not know what is rude and what isn't rude. I apologize if I seem rude. It is not my intention.
Xarshi
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Posted: 26th Aug 2007 20:53
@lucy - haha,I don't worship it. In fact,i don't know if it is truly oced(it has the factory clocks on the website,at least,it shows those specs),but even if it is,its the only way I could get an 8800gts from gateway. Plus,if it blows up,I have a 3 year warranty on it . But I'm already aware that those companies don't test very hard,thats why I wanted to go with an actual gaming company for building the computer,but my parents don't trust them... idk why either. But oh well. It'll be good while it holds up

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Mr Makealotofsmoke
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Posted: 27th Aug 2007 09:06
i always build my pc's
its sorta annoying tho, cause ppl know so they always ask me for advice
i should make a company

bitJericho
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Posted: 27th Aug 2007 20:15 Edited at: 27th Aug 2007 20:23
Alright, so here's my call of juarez benchmark results:

8.2 Min
27.3 Max
15.6 Avg

Settings:
Resolution: 1024x768
shadowmap size: 2048x2048
Shadows Quality: 3
Super Sampling/Multisampling: off (runs very slowly, about 12ish Avg FPS)
Fullscreen, Audio enabled

On a geforce 8600gts w/ a core 2 duo and 2 gigs ram, running on vista 64bit Ultimate, aero turned off and all taskbar processes turned off. Vid card set to app controlled, and all the other options default.

Oh, and for the record, here's a side by side of dx9 vs 10

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qY2s16B83nI

You'll notice that the dx9 side looks a little clearer, but if you look closely it's a because the effects are bit more exagerated, the effects on the dx10 side are very subtle and extremely crisp, and well worth upgrading if you ask me, once more games support dx10 Unfortunately this demo doesn't really show it off, because of the blurry youtube video, it looks almost like dx9 is better, especially inside the house, but you can see every grain in the wood on the dx10 side.

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Posted: 28th Aug 2007 00:08
Technically how stable an overclocked chip is depends on the system and who overclocks it. I am guessing that since dell uses assembly lines, an overclocked chip from them will be pretty unstable, because they don't test for the system.

Graphics cards aren't usually worth overclocking. They are usually made close to as fast as they can go, and they are hot enough and unstable enough before overclocking.

Overclocking the processor is usually the way to go. Many times processors are underclocked and unintelligent users buy a processor that is as fast as it can go, when a cheaper version can be safely overclocked to the same speed. A good gaming pc builder, like Digital Storm has technicians that will overclock according to the pc config. And they are a lot cheaper too.
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Posted: 28th Aug 2007 00:42
Quote: "You'll notice that the dx9 side looks a little clearer, but if you look closely it's a because the effects are bit more exagerated, the effects on the dx10 side are very subtle and extremely crisp, and well worth upgrading if you ask me, once more games support dx10 Unfortunately this demo doesn't really show it off, because of the blurry youtube video, it looks almost like dx9 is better, especially inside the house, but you can see every grain in the wood on the dx10 side."


x 10 looks better in the outside scenes, 9 looks better inside

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