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Geek Culture / XP Home VS. XP Pro.

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Surreal Killa
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Posted: 3rd Sep 2007 07:26
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.mspx

Looking at that, pro has nothing I need, except one thing I am wondering about, "Scalable processor support – up to two-way multi-processor support." would this have any effect on Core 2 Duo processors? Or what does this mean exactly?

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Deathead
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Posted: 3rd Sep 2007 20:26
XP Home VS. XP Pro Vs Vista Home Basic Vs Vista Home Premium would be more interesting.

Steve J
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Posted: 3rd Sep 2007 20:28
It means it supports 2 processors, but that wont affect the C2D. The C2D is dual CORE, as in the processor has 2 cores, but dual Processors means 2 processors, each with either 1,2, or 4 cores. Hope that helps.

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Agent Dink
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Posted: 3rd Sep 2007 20:31
Pro is far more stable, at least in my experiences.

NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 3rd Sep 2007 20:41
As far as I can tell, both versions were merged at SP2. No "Home Edition" or "Professional Edition" labels appear after this service pack.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Posted: 3rd Sep 2007 21:47
so youre saying Home w/sp2 can run IIS?

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 3rd Sep 2007 22:15 Edited at: 3rd Sep 2007 22:16
Well, I have Home, and there's no label on boot anymore. I have something called "Cardspace", too, that wasn't there before. One or two icons have changed. Why else would the label be removed? It ambiguates slightly as to what changes exactly have been made.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Posted: 4th Sep 2007 02:54
I dont disagree, but I remember Home not having a bunch of stuff, like IIS and other stuff - was just curious, because that would mean you could have bought Home for a lot less money, then suddenly found yourself upgraded to Pro for free.

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Surreal Killa
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Posted: 4th Sep 2007 05:54
Well a Quad Core is essentially two Duo Cores, no? Anyways, Vista is sh*t, so don't even bring it up.

As for Home and Pro, it says on that link I gave, yeah only pro has IIS, and other stuff mainly used for networking. I have both XP Home and XP Pro, but I am making my own bootdisc and removing components I do not want, and I was wondering if I should do it to my pro disc or to my home disc. Also, I disagree about them being merged, my XP Home is service pack 2, and my XP Pro is service pack 2. They're not the same. The label has been removed from the bootscreen but they're still not the same thing. Since I don't have much need for networking I might as well use the Home version, my question on the 2 processors has been answered. Unless anyone can come up with factual reasons as to Pro being better than Home for my needs.

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bitJericho
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Posted: 4th Sep 2007 08:56 Edited at: 4th Sep 2007 08:58
Quote: "Well a Quad Core is essentially two Duo Cores, no? Anyways, Vista is sh*t, so don't even bring it up"


Says you Last time I loaded up xp was.. well, before I got vista shortly after it was released...

Anyways, I highly doubt sp2 merged the two, as they're still being sold independantly but at markedly different prices.

According to this xp home should utilize both cores.

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Aaron Miller
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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 05:59 Edited at: 6th Sep 2007 05:59
Quote: "Well a Quad Core is essentially two Duo Cores, no? Anyways, Vista is sh*t, so don't even bring it up."

HAHA! Vista is sh*t? Last time I checked, my vista ran faster than my XP! All 3 of 'em! That's with full visual effects on, with tons of programs running! How many bugs have I found? 3. How many have been fixed in the last week? Probably more than I know about, but at least 3. How many bugs have I come across after those ones where fixed? None. Does OpenGL slow down? No. Does DirectX speed up? I'm not sure, it runs at quite a reasonable speed though, if it does slow down, I'm not noticing it. What's my Vista rating? 2.1 Last time I checked, that rating was supposed to suck.


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GatorHex
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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 06:02 Edited at: 6th Sep 2007 06:06
The reason it don't have IIS is because microsofts web server requires NTFS account security and security in Home is nobbled. Although I know how to give the guest account a password (useful for files sharing) you just can't make any new accounts.

Realy if you have XP home you can just use Apache web server which uses it's own scripts for folder and file security

My War MMO is running all it's systems on XP home.

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Raven
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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 06:21
Cores, or Processors, you end up with the same difference.
The realistic difference is the Hardware Threads you can run.
HyperThreading for example is counted as 2 Processors by Windows XP, because it claims to have 2 Hardware Threads (when in reality it has 1 with optimisation built-in).

Any Duo or Quad Core System, will show as 2, or 4 Processors.
As for the Core 2 Quad, being a 2x2 processor; that's true, but I have 2x Athlon X4 (which is the AMD variant of the Core 2 Quad) and it shows up as 8 Processors (even in Vista)

The only real difference between these 2x2 and the actual 4 Core processors (due out next year) is you will see increase performance from better caching on most apps .. until they get written for properly with non-mutex apps, because that's where the performance increase really lays with them is in the data exchanging capabilities. Even then they're not that grand an increase in performance.

In any case, anyone who says Vista is crap.. quite frankly hasn't used it. Windows XP Home is crap, it's almost as unstable (or used to be before SP2 not tried it since SP1) as most found Millennium Edition.

Professional has a habbit of slowing down after 2-3months of useage to a crawl. It's why Microsoft just bought out ReadyState for XP that allows you to basically shadowcopy from a state when the system was at a decent speed then you can just go back to it when your system begins to slow and keep what you've already installed.

You know what, after 10months of having Windows Vista installed... no slow down what so ever. Still damn stable despite the fact that drivers have been quite piss poor for it. Oh and there's that whole fact it's more secure too; so many people are bitching about the new UAC stuff and turning it off, but you know what it keeps you safe even if you don't want to install a virus protector.. obviously not from your own stupidity but it is far better in terms of the fact nothing gets installed without an admin say-so who now have far better tools to see when something is being nasty to the system.

Oh and as for performance, the Vista drivers for both ATI and NVIDIA are now on-par DirectX-wise with XP; and OpenGL-wise they're starting to show some improvement over XP (which was the fastest Windows yet for DirectX and OpenGL gaming believe it or not).

Product compatibility has greatly risen but tbh, the fact it dropped has forced developers to actually move into the 21st century and drop the old Windows APIs that Microsoft rewrote for a reason! As for general system performance, Vista is just quicker period now.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 06:42
Windows Professional has more bits built in to the mainframe, at about 2530 baud per square foot, while Windows Home has about 1200. That and the threading module on board the IP router has a built in megahertz amplifier, which provides better BPM for the processor core.

That's not as bad as you think you said.
Surreal Killa
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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 07:57
Raven, Vista is sh*t. I have it. It's sh*t. Annoying, uses up too much resources, lack of compatibility with hardware and software. It's total crap.

Like Benny from the Bronx, I'ma get you in the end.
Aaron Miller
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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 08:08
HAHA! That's the WORST argument I've ever seen! Too easy:

To use less resources, down to about 256 MB, disable UAC and use the Windows Classic theme. So far, I've not had a problem with Vista's resources to actually do that.

Compatability wise, I've only had a few pieces of software that didn't work. Most of the time, I could make them work by turning on compatability mode with some OS. DOS wise, DOS-BOX will probably work. If all else fails: WINDOWS XP EMULATION.

Hardware compatability wise, more of my hardware was supported in Vista than XP! So Bullsh*t.

The bottom line is you have a problem with Vista because some software doesn't work in it. Tough. Get over it. If it doesn't work, chances are there's something better. Just because someone didn't code according to Microsoft's specifications for Vista doesn't mean Vista is sh*t. The software was coded for XP, which was around since 2001. The Vista beta was given at around 2006, and people have had Vista since around then too (For companies, wasn't officially released until January 2007, I think). If the company was unable to release an update in that time then they weren't prioritizing Vista. None the less, emulation would run this software fine! Slower, but fine.



Cheers,

-naota

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GatorHex
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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 10:08
I rememebr the move from Win98 to XP being the same pain.

I just tried to run some old stuff I made on Win 98 and hardly anything ran properly in XP.

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Aaron Miller
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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 10:12
For some it feels like De Ja Vu. <Not sure if that's the spelling> For me it feels like what EVERY operating system would go through. I mean, Linux has always been based on the same kernel though, from what I understand. Nothing has ever changed THIS MUCH in the Linux kernel, has it? (I'm not bashing Linux, I have and like Linux)


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-naota

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Van B
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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 10:41
XP Home is an absolute turd when it comes to networking, I don't think you can connect to a domain with it, or an exchange server. I know this is stuff that you'd only have to worry about in a business, but there were no problems with Win98's networking, they dumbed Home down so more people would have to buy the pro version.

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Aaron Miller
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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 11:04
I like Microsoft's business strategies actually. Because of they're (Not sure of spelling, excuse that, but my spell checker claims it to be correct) tactics they have become the largest company in America, and the world! (I'm not sure if they are still the biggest or not, I know Bill donated around $30 billion, of his $40 billion... He did say he would gladly give 99% of his wealth... I'm not sure if that actually effects the company)


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GatorHex
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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 11:16 Edited at: 6th Sep 2007 11:17
i agree Van, Home got worse security than Win98, at least on that you can set a password for a shared directory without having to go skuling around in DOS prompt trying to find a command they forgot to remove. I think he only gives away his interest. But it is a lot.

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Chris K
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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 13:18
Quote: "HyperThreading for example is counted as 2 Processors by Windows XP"


Nu uh.

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bitJericho
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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 16:19
According to the link I posted above, windows can differentiate between hyperthreading/dual cores and multiple processors.

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