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I've been thinking, and I've come to the conclusion that the Enhancments Pack should be available for download. Many many people bought DBC from a shop or somewhere else that isn't the website, and are still entitled to the latest edition. This includes the enhancement pack. If just the enhancment pack is available, people without DBC won't be able to use it, as they can't update a program which doesn't exist.
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I agree, so long as there is no way to run the enhancement on its own.

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Exactly. That's what I thought.

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Yeah, and I lost the disc many years ago.

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i agree also, because my parents ordered it from the website, but i cant find their order history page so i cant get the enhancement pack.


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Posted: 11th Sep 2007 05:02 Edited at: 11th Sep 2007 05:04
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Does your parents have their own TGC account, or did they install it on yours?

Also, I do agree on the enhancement issues, even though I have the enhancements already, 'cause the DB Challenges will be funner with enhancements

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When I bought a boxed copy off the shelf in 2001, it was already enhanced to version 1.12.

I'm surprised some people here have discs bought from shops with no enhancements on them.
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Posted: 11th Sep 2007 15:53
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Surprised? Lol. How should I know there's an additional enhancement pack when buying it? Heck, the box said nothing about anything, actually!


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Posted: 11th Sep 2007 18:13
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I didn't have have to buy an additional enhancement. The installer just installed a pre-enhanced copy ... and that was nearly six years ago.

When I installed 1.13 I too had problems. I re-installed DB and noticed that it was already enhanced, and just left it at that. I've never bothered with 1.13 since then. But of course, if your disc is older than mine (say, it's been in a warehouse for years), it probably won't be enhanced, or at least, not to the same version.
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Mine has v1.12 enhancements too, what else does 1.13 have?

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Quote: "When I bought a boxed copy off the shelf in 2001, it was already enhanced to version 1.12"


You are confusing the Enhancement Pack with upgrades.

And I can't see how it could have been V1.12 back in 2001. I may be wrong, but I would have thought it would have been around 1.06 or 1.08 back then.

In any case, all versions of DB Classic came with a 30 day trial of the Enhancement pack, after which it stopped working... or you paid for it.

To test if the enhancements are installed/enabled (on an XP machine), simply add the following lines at the start of any program:

load dll "C:\Windows\System32\kernel32.dll",1
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If when you run it, the program ends without an error then you have the Enhancement pack. If you get a dll error then you don't have it.

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Posted: 13th Sep 2007 01:16 Edited at: 13th Sep 2007 01:16
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I checked update history. Clearly I can't have had DB in 2001... 1.12 wasn't even released until January 2002 I remember trying to run a compiled exe on college machines and it couldn't as they didn't have graphics accelerators, embarrassing for the computing department I thought.


Quote: "In any case, all versions of DB Classic came with a 30 day trial of the Enhancement pack, after which it stopped working... or you paid for it."


This is sort-of suggesting that Electronics Boutique is a dodgy retailer. The Disc came with Dark Basic, Dark Matter demo and Dark Edit v1.56. Dark Edit and the 1.12 patch were all installed during the setup process (Dark Matter installs seperately). I think there was one other thing on the disc, but without hunting out the disc I can't be sure. In any case, I would not have been happy to pay £50 for crippleware.
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Quote: "This is sort-of suggesting that Electronics Boutique is a dodgy retailer."


Not really. They were selling Dark Basic and that's what you bought. The original DB V1 didn't have the commands in the enhancement pack.

TGC later added extra commands like memblocks, DLL support and a load of other stuff which they sold separately as an add-on 'enhancement pack'. These commands were useful and added additional functionality, but not essential for writing games.

Quote: "I would not have been happy to pay £50 for crippleware."


You, (like me), bought Dark Basic V1 and it wasn't crippled. It was the full version. They just decided to add extra commands later on and make them available to those that wanted them as an enhancement pack.

So people could try before they buy, the enhancements were added as a 30 day trial to DBC - at the end of which, DBC reverted back to it's normal un-enhanced state.

Personally, I bought the enhancement pack for the DLL support as it wasn't even a 30 day trial in the original boxed version of DBC I received (V1.04 if I remember correctly).

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I've recently installed mine on this PC and it says V1.13 enhanced
But on my old PC it only says V1.12
I haven't installed any updates
Is my DB... learning?!

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Posted: 14th Sep 2007 15:57
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I was not warned about enhancements being time-limited during the installation... They also did not stop working after 30 days

Using the Default editor (not Dark Edit) during startup there'd be a blue box that would say:
..Checking Validity..
..Direct Access..
..Memblocks..
..Multiplayer..
..DLL Support..
Enhancements loaded

After installing the 1.13 update, the last line changed to:
Enhancements loaded for 30 days.

This is what always lead me to believe that £50, paid for the enhancement pack as well as DB itself. Oh, and the big chunky manual that I still don't think I've ever read

I''ve emailed Rich about this, to see if I should be paying an additional £15 for the enhancement pack. If all CDs come with a trial of the enhancements (where my disc came with fully registered enhancements that you never needed to pay to activate)... Is it possible EB have sold me a fake disc? I'd be gutted if I've had a fake disc all these years...
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Posted: 14th Sep 2007 18:21
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Quote: "Is my DB... learning?!"

That made me laugh.
My enhancements tell me I need a valid CD.
Wait... I DO need a valid CD!

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Quote: "After installing the 1.13 update, the last line changed to:
Enhancements loaded for 30 days."


Before installing the 2007 version of DBC, that was what happened to me too. I then had to run the Enhancement Pack installer to enable the enhancements.

The enhancements appear to be built-in with the new 2007 download version.

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i found out how to get enhancement pack, but im too busy to mess with all that now. Workin on my game Mr. Pixel. Have a look at my website at http://www.freewebs.com/maryville-game-developers/.


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Quote: "I then had to run the Enhancement Pack installer to enable the enhancements."


as in, NOT patch113.exe but another exe file? I say this because I always thought I was using the installer. Maybe this is why I never got it working for years.
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Quote: "NOT patch113.exe but another exe file?"


Correct - I have a file on my hard disk called EnhanceV113ESD.exe.

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Never seen that file before. Although I've not had 1.13 anywhere near my DB installation for what seems like several years, so perhaps it was there. Or perhaps you pay for it.

Just like the 1.13 patch appears to be built in to the 2007 download. The 1.12 appears to be built in to the disc I have, even the autorun splash states version number as 1.1.2.

I think I'll stick with 1.12 seems like a lot of hassle to get 1.13 on and I don't remember there being much functionality added according to help files. with 1.12 I just have to put the disc in the drive, click "Install Dark Basic" and it's installed and enhanced.

But for everyone who wants the enhancement pack I don't think they have quite the same option.

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Quote: "Never seen that file before. Although I've not had 1.13 anywhere near my DB installation for what seems like several years, so perhaps it was there. Or perhaps you pay for it.

Just like the 1.13 patch appears to be built in to the 2007 download. The 1.12 appears to be built in to the disc I have, even the autorun splash states version number as 1.1.2.

I think I'll stick with 1.12 seems like a lot of hassle to get 1.13 on and I don't remember there being much functionality added according to help files. with 1.12 I just have to put the disc in the drive, click "Install Dark Basic" and it's installed and enhanced.

But for everyone who wants the enhancement pack I don't think they have quite the same option. "


That looks my disk, version and all. But I was able to download the update wih no problem, it says 1.13 Enhanced for me in the defualt editor...

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Quote: "I've recently installed mine on this PC and it says V1.13 enhanced
But on my old PC it only says V1.12
I haven't installed any updates
Is my DB... learning?! "



This got me laughing as well!!!


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Mine's still v1.13 and it's been here a couple of months.

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