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tha_rami
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Posted: 25th Sep 2007 05:25 Edited at: 25th Sep 2007 05:26
Quote: " Qui(s) custodiet ipsos custodes?"

- Satires of Juvenalis

The above latin quote means as much as... who guards the guards, who checks the checkers, who observes the observers. It was central to the Dan Brown book Digital Fortress, which was about cyberterrorism. This one isn't about cyberterrorism, but about mediapiracy, the illegal downloading of copyrighted materials.

The US company MediaDefender has a good history of protecting the rights, copyrights, authors rights and similar rights of developers and artists. They claim to actively combat piracy and defend the rights of those who make any form of media. Targets of MediaDefender are the popular torrentsites as the PirateBay and similar.

In 2007, MediaDefender started Miivi.com, a videosharing site to share videos (Whoa!). Catch was, anyone breaching copyright on the site would be registered! Yup, a tricksite to catch evil people uploading copyrighted content. A smart idea, until it comes out, of course. Miivi was shut down in July after a blogger discovered the devious trick. A scandal of the first class, yet MediaDefender denied any accusation.

If you thought the story ends there, think again. Thanks to the internet hacking group MediaDefender-Defender, run by the torrent-site PirateBay, suddenly the 700MB mail archive of MediaDefender containing all e-mails in the company was leaked to the internet. These thousands of e-mails contained information that, among others, directly links it to the Miivi-scandal. The mail archive, ironically, was spread over endless torrent-sites in a matter of hours. In an attempt to remove the evidence, or better said, damagecontrol, MediaDefender used lawyers to force sites to remove the download of the mail-archive. They threathened to sue and prosecute the hackers.

Quote: " "I am the CEO of MediaDefender. We have begun our civil and criminal investigations into the stolen emails from our company. We are meeting with the FBI on monday. Your IP address has been logged. I hope it was worth the thrill. "
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Seeing the group is so obsessed with rights, it is odd that they also attempted to hack the torrent-sites hosting the emails with a great number of DoS-attacks, a common method to disable websites. Lesson one: Never try and hack someone who has proven to be capable of gathering 700MB of classified email. Ofcourse the torrentsites noticed and now several torrentsites have published letters similar to the following:

Quote: "There is no way you can stop this, your emails have been published on more then a centillion websites. And if there is anyone who is going to start a lawsuit it will be us suing you for attempts to sabotage the integrity of this site and many others."


As a final gesture towards the US company, a cooperation of torrentsites have registered the shutdown Miivi.com domain to make it yet another torrentsite.

...I guess MediaDefender needs a very good JuridicalDefender.

Being sued by a torrent-site. The world has gone mad.


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Posted: 25th Sep 2007 05:26
Actually that latin quote means "Who will guard the guards themselves." That was our saying of the day in class not too long ago.
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Posted: 25th Sep 2007 05:49 Edited at: 25th Sep 2007 05:49
Integrity and Pirate Bay should not be said in the same sentence.

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Posted: 25th Sep 2007 05:52
The whole happening is irony with a capital I, R, O, N and Y. That's why I posted the whole story, it's a quite funny one, really.


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Posted: 25th Sep 2007 10:32
Just to nit-pick on the story there, torrent sites aren't the ones to blame for 'hacking' 700MB of email archives.

It's the black-hat hackers who were out to prove a point to someone who tried to trick them, not the torrent sites.

While, true, alot of software can be illegally obtained via torrent downloads, it can also be obtained in many, many other places & forms, while alot of legitimate software can also be obtained via torrents.
Just keep it in mind when lumping together illegal activities and 'torrent sites'.

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Posted: 25th Sep 2007 12:28
Quote: " "There is no way you can stop this, your emails have been published on more then a centillion websites. And if there is anyone who is going to start a lawsuit it will be us suing you for attempts to sabotage the integrity of this site and many others."
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! That is internetzz pwnage to the maxis!!! What a doop haha, I bet that company feels really stupid right now.

On the serious side though, illegal activites are illegal doh! By downloading these progs, you are taking away from the people who slaved to make your life a bit easier, do you feel good screwing someone else? Does that get ya going, just a reminder, I used to be a thief but I saw my error and gave up those days *not saying I wasn't good never being caught once in those 3 years but whatever.* My point is that if you do it, outside or online, you're gonna get caught and you're gonnna regret it okay, so don't be an ass, just save that extra week and buy it then.

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Posted: 25th Sep 2007 13:28
Quote: "*not saying I wasn't good never being caught once in those 3 years but whatever.*"

Quote: "My point is that if you do it, outside or online, you're gonna get caught "

erm....
I have been known to use certain products past their trial period before, usually up until the point where I can afford the software and anything I ever make publc (which is very little ) is also always made with software that is either free to use or has been purchased.

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yea kinda regretting admitting that but hey I was tird and not caffienated, I say some bad things about my past sometimes .

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Posted: 25th Sep 2007 13:38
Well I was directing my comment towards this more than anything:
Quote: "*not saying I wasn't good never being caught once in those 3 years but whatever.*"

Quote: "My point is that if you do it, outside or online, you're gonna get caught"



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Posted: 25th Sep 2007 13:50
Oh yea haha re-reading that it sounds so stupid, but its true I never was caught and yea I guess I'm kinda proud and terribly ashamed at the same time. I mean you mean to tell me that for three years noone saw a very easy pattern that when I look back I would have caught the old me on the first attempt either or those folks HATE their jobs, but enough about my theivery..thats long past me.

I hope this company has learned a lesson out of all this.

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Posted: 25th Sep 2007 13:57
Quote: "do you feel good screwing someone else?"


Hell yeah!


oh wait, i see what you meant...

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Posted: 25th Sep 2007 14:02
Quote: "Integrity and Pirate Bay should not be said in the same sentence."


Damn right.

Please have mercy and use the search function.
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Posted: 25th Sep 2007 17:12
@Jess T
Quote: "
Just to nit-pick on the story there, torrent sites aren't the ones to blame for 'hacking' 700MB of email archives."

I thought that was MediaDefender-Defender, who did that.

Quote: "While, true, alot of software can be illegally obtained via torrent downloads, it can also be obtained in many, many other places & forms, while alot of legitimate software can also be obtained via torrents.
Just keep it in mind when lumping together illegal activities and 'torrent sites'."


The usual meaning of the word nowadays is 'site with trackers for fast downloading of illegal software' as far as I can see. I mean, I haven't found a legal torrentsite as of yet.


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Posted: 25th Sep 2007 18:03
I think someone should have told MediaDefender that "two wrongs don't make a right"! Using illegal means to try and stop illegal activities is only going to lead to serious trouble. Here is the current info from ThePirateBay blog regarding the email leakage:
Quote: "Thanks to the email-leakage from MediaDefender-Defenders we now have proof of the things we've been suspecting for a long time; the big record and movie labels are paying professional hackers, saboteurs and ddosers to destroy our trackers.

While browsing through the email we identified the companies that are also active in Sweden and we have tonight reported these incidents to the police. The charges are infrastructural sabotage, denial of service attacks, hacking and spamming, all of these on a commercial level.

The companies that are being reported are the following:

* Twentieth Century Fox, Sweden AB
* Emi Music Sweden AB
* Universal Music Group Sweden AB
* Universal Pictures Nordic AB
* Paramount Home Entertainment (Sweden) AB
* Atari Nordic AB
* Activision Nordic Filial Till Activision (Uk) Ltd
* Ubisoft Sweden AB
* Sony Bmg Music Entertainment (Sweden) AB
* Sony Pictures Home Entertainment Nordic AB
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Posted: 25th Sep 2007 18:13
Quote: "While, true, alot of software can be illegally obtained via torrent downloads, it can also be obtained in many, many other places & forms, while alot of legitimate software can also be obtained via torrents."


Well, when you go to a site like Pirate Bay they have categories for PC, Mac, Xbox 360, Wii, etc. They don't even hide their intentions

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Posted: 25th Sep 2007 18:28
I think that peopel who use cracks and keygens are wrong.

But i do know how to crack any software and this crack is perfectly legal. Just dont alllow internet accses and evrey day before launching the app change the computer time to the day before. This will work on most pieces of software so it really is the companys fault for being so stupid as to not solve this were you could just make the app non fuctionable without the internet.

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Posted: 25th Sep 2007 19:05
Quote: "But i do know how to crack any software and this crack is perfectly legal. Just dont alllow internet accses and evrey day before launching the app change the computer time to the day before. This will work on most pieces of software so it really is the companys fault for being so stupid as to not solve this were you could just make the app non fuctionable without the internet."

I'm not sure this works, I think that theprograms have timer that counts off your computer's internal clock, but that can't be increased, only decreased.

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Quote: "I'm not sure this works, I think that theprograms have timer that counts off your computer's internal clock, but that can't be increased, only decreased.
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It does i just tested on VC++. Only express edition buts ive gor 20 says again to register. But then again its free to register

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Posted: 25th Sep 2007 20:29
In any case piracy is wrong. Even if registering is free, there's a reason they let you register and it is their right to require so in order to use software.

Cracking is illegal as it is desengineering software, which is prohibited in almost any case. Using work-arounds like Cyber Dude describes is illegal as well as the agreement most likely includes that the file is a x-day trial.

Quote: "This will work on most pieces of software so it really is the companys fault for being so stupid as to not solve this were you could just make the app non fuctionable without the internet."

I really, and I mean really really hope that one day you'll make a commercial product, costing money, sweat and nights to create, and that in the end it gets cracked and pirated away from you and receiving a mail that 'its your fault because we could crack security. You could've just made it so that what we did wouldn't work'. What a nonsense. Jeez. That pissed me off. Sorry.


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Cracks are "ok" if you own the product IMO. Not saying it's legal or anything. It probably isn't. But sometimes it's nice to install a crack so you don't have to deal with CD's. Keeps them safe and sound in their cases and this usually keeps my desk cleaner as I have a tendency to leave things lying about.

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Posted: 26th Sep 2007 05:49 Edited at: 26th Sep 2007 05:49
I usually no-cd crack most of the games I own for simplicity anyway, unless that limits the playability of the game.


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Posted: 26th Sep 2007 05:57
There's a program called daemon, it's very useful for games that require the cd in the drive.

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Daemon Tools/Alcohol 120%. Both work, but I avoid using them. Daemon once removed all access to cd-drives when uninstalling, so I ain't too eager to use them.


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Posted: 26th Sep 2007 06:23
This also forces you to create an image file of your disk doesn't it? Which in turn takes rougly 600+ megs of your hard drive for a cd or 4+ gigs for a DVD.

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Posted: 26th Sep 2007 11:47
Quote: "The usual meaning of the word nowadays is 'site with trackers for fast downloading of illegal software' as far as I can see."


Quote: "Well, when you go to a site like Pirate Bay they have categories for PC, Mac, Xbox 360, Wii, etc. They don't even hide their intentions"


Unfortunatly, Torrents are so damned good at Peer-to-Peer filesharing, that those interested in illegal sharing started using it, and, yes, it is probably the main source of torrents.

Quote: "I mean, I haven't found a legal torrentsite as of yet."


http://www.bittorrent.com/search?q=pirates+of+the+caribbean
Not a single illegal download available.
At least the authors are abiding by the rules, shame not too many others are.

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Quote: "Cracks are "ok" if you own the product IMO. Not saying it's legal or anything. It probably isn't. But sometimes it's nice to install a crack so you don't have to deal with CD's. Keeps them safe and sound in their cases and this usually keeps my desk cleaner as I have a tendency to leave things lying about."

Same Here. I did that with the Sims 2 Pets because it was so badly scratched that I didn't take a chance.
Also I have a game which is too scratched to even play! That shows how bad I am at keeping disks in good condition!

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Posted: 26th Sep 2007 18:45
www.torrentsearch.com (Or something similar) tracks the names and information of anyone using it to see if they break the law...
But they're only after americans, I'm glad I'm english!

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@Tha rami: Well if i do i think id take safty messures and make the program nto wrok if internet accses is unavailable. And then time 30 or so days on my seerver instead of using the computer clock becouse it can be edited. And i really cannot see myself making a comerscial piecce of software that would cost so much people would resort to cracking.

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Quote: "@Tha rami: Well if i do i think id take safty messures and make the program nto wrok if internet accses is unavailable. And then time 30 or so days on my seerver instead of using the computer clock becouse it can be edited. And i really cannot see myself making a comerscial piecce of software that would cost so much people would resort to cracking."

Unless it's free, people will crack it. Heck, even free programs that just need you to enter your contact information get cracked. They'd crack it, remove your safety measures or trick it, set up a fake server or similar or even completely disable the timer.

All your fault. You should've made a better security!


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I gotta agree wiv tha_rami over here.

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@Cyber Dude

What your doing is illegal. Your excuse is not a good one, either. Say I left my house locked, but you threw a stone in the window and stole all my stuff. You could say I should have had iron bars or something, but come on! Why should you have any right to crack my software just because it wasn't secured enough to your standards?

And if you do happen to do any cracking in the near future, for the love of god, try it out on some spell checking software.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 17:44
Now I may seem like a headstrong rebel or thought criminal, but please bear with me...

Tis awful to see so much anti-piracy bias and pro establishment sentiment, personally speaking I like freedom of information and individual liberty. For those who are against piracy and like the clamp downs on the peoples freedoms may I suggest moving to the People's Republic of China where you can experience the results of the authoritarian measures that you sound like your into, or atleast are working in the interests of by supporting it. Remember, this new world order incremental empire approach still results in the same thing as before, nothing but tyranny, maybe you are right though, who needs freedom eh? Lets arrest all the pirates then and fine them rediculous amounts of money which they can work off in the prison industrial complex since they likely can't afford to pay it if they can't even afford the product. Lets generally screw up there lives for commiting a silly little victemless crime, they deserve a criminal record and humiliating strip searches in jail for there harmless dissent im sure!
But seriously now, down with tyranny, viva piracy, viva open source, viva freedom and viva the information revolution.

Suprisingly however, something I have noticed is piracy can very much be beneficial to the developers, artists and so on. For I have seen countless times people use pirate stuff and think this is pretty good this film/song/software/whatever I think i should buy it on original now I seen how useful it is. Guess how I got DarkBASIC Pro? I baught it after using a pirate version of it a friend had downloaded that worked perfectly fine, I thought hey this is the best version of BASIC I had ever seen, well for game dev anyway, better than the original DarkBASIC by far I just had to get it, so I went onto there website and baught an original copy for myself. In the circles I associate with piracy is one of the main ways they find and try software, music, movies and so on that inspire them to buy an original copy. We don't even think of it half the time then we see a minority of people get uptight about it and it shocks us, it really does. Piracy also gives you the option not to buy, or atleast not to buy it at that time because of money problems or something. One of the main things about the option not to buy is we need to keep in mind software and other products created by tyrannical corporations who's software is usually faulty, extreamly overpriced, widely used and who's corporate interest are clearly nothing but there greedy big bussiness monopolies market control (Such as the "Microsoft"). .

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