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5867Dude
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Posted: 26th Sep 2007 19:54 Edited at: 26th Sep 2007 20:37
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Hi
I watched this video on youtube and it is so upsetting to see those dolphins die.
EDIT:I removed the link because there is some younger ones on the fourms

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Posted: 26th Sep 2007 20:26
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Some of the pictures were pretty unpleasant but that video overall bored me.

I know it sounds bad to say, but i try not to get worked up over something i can't help, sure its pretty disturbing and i believe this should never happen, but it does.

Personally, i think that link should be removed, i know there are a few young 'uns round here who might get really upset seeing something like that.

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Posted: 26th Sep 2007 20:27 Edited at: 26th Sep 2007 20:30
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Zomb is not watching that film, all I will say is poor dolphins.

Watched it anyway, all I'm saying now is $^^$^%#$^#$^%$^#%$^%&%^*^%&$%^&$#%%$@#$@%@#%$@#%#$^$#%&$%#$%^#$%@#%@#%@#$^@$#^#$@^%#$^#$^#$^#$^#$&RHRT&$%^&U^$%&$%&$%YG#$YTG#$Y$%^U^U

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Posted: 26th Sep 2007 22:12
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I'm *much* more concerned about mass human starvation in 3rd world countries, but I can't comment as you removed the link.

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Posted: 26th Sep 2007 22:20 Edited at: 26th Sep 2007 22:23
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I did not see this video, but I know that they are mistreated, there unfortunately are several evils going on in the world, just mentioning them just sounds horrible - that is to humans and animals alike, all caused by human beings. I sometimes question the 'goodness' of humanity, I mean if we were to look at humanity in that way, it looks horrid, and would turn the term 'humane' up-side down. Plus don't get me started on slavery, rich countries, poor countries and the treatment of children...Seriously you don't, it'll get political for one thing and angry/empathetic/emotional for another.

Hence yesterday, I saw an Amnesty International stand, I immediately put my name down to sign up, because I've been meaning to do it for a while - okay it's human rights, but it's a start because if we can't be good to each other as a race first, how the hell can you expect us to be good to animals? I also signed up to that anti-genocide group as well - Aegis I think they were called.

However, what I do like to see is the brighter side of humanity, because there are some heart warming things that don't get as much focus, I mean there are those of us who are quite lovely, friendly and fairly decent - and I like it when I see one helping another. Knowing the movie 'Man on Fire' was a true story is both saddening and heart warming, because of what the person Denzel Washington played did in order to find the girl. (though gang leaders/men died along the way, of course you could say that's a good thing, because their death may mean 10 or more other kids wouldn't suffer)

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Posted: 26th Sep 2007 22:31
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I like tuna.


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Posted: 26th Sep 2007 22:59
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You mean the video called: "Horrible dolphin massacre in japan"? its a Fake!, the video its so old (just notice how old is with the quality of the video) I don´t think Japanese people eat dolphins nowadays and more since dolphin is a endangered specie.

By the way, our animals (I mean, the animals we eat, like beff,cows ,pigs) aren´t much lucky than those dolphins, they are killed in many horrible ways and that happens in all the world... but of course people do not give attention to that... "its just food, isnt it?" ("x"Sarcasm)


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Posted: 26th Sep 2007 23:08
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Well I think chickens are suffocated with Argon Gas. Which is a painless way to go... but nobody truly knows as the chickens keep dying before they can ask the question. A tad inconvenient really. And there is that whole thing about chickens can't talk and what not.

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Posted: 26th Sep 2007 23:15
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I had dog stew in North Korea and it was pretty good. Tasted like beef-- but gamey and wild.

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Quote: "By the way, our animals (I mean, the animals we eat, like beff,cows ,pigs) aren´t much lucky than those dolphins, they are killed in many horrible ways and that happens in all the world... but of course people do not give attention to that... "its just food, isnt it?" ("x"Sarcasm)"


Mc Donalds treats chickens awfully.


Quote: "You mean the video called: "Horrible dolphin massacre in japan"? its a Fake!, the video its so old (just notice how old is with the quality of the video) I don´t think Japanese people eat dolphins nowadays and more since dolphin is a endangered specie."


To be honest now it looks like it was recorded a long time ago.

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Quote: "Mc Donalds treats chickens awfully."


They breed chickens now?

Quote: "By the way, our animals (I mean, the animals we eat, like beff,cows ,pigs) aren´t much lucky than those dolphins, they are killed in many horrible ways and that happens in all the world... but of course people do not give attention to that..."


Because dolphins are cuter, plus most of Asia eats far more fish than any of the west so they may find it cruel as they are unaccustomed to eating such mammals. I'd assume chickens, cows etc have been eaten in the western world for hundreds of years so they don't really notice.

Let's face it the only reason the majority of people are strongly against eating of dogs is because we keep them as pets, while some people keep pigs as pets I'm sure if everyone had one then eating them would be far less popular as it would be like eating your pet.

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Quote: "They breed chickens now?"

Thats what I heard on that film Supersize me

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Yeah, they're called the members of staff...zing!

Sorry I apologise for that burst there.

Well I hope dolphins aren't mistreated, I mean they now believe that the river dolphin is extinct as they haven't seen one in ages, it's a real shame, but people hunt these animals at a faster rate than they can reproduce, like sharks for instance aren't often prey so they don't have many offspring at all, so if they're mass hunted without the ability to evolved/adapt quick enough, then they'll die out and the truth is a lot of species are going this way and not just sharks. The problem for sharks is that people fear them and percieve them as violent animals on behalf of movies like Jaws, but are hugely misunderstood, for one thing human flesh tastes horrible to sharks - they usually bite because they're confused by the mannerisms displayed by a human, because they end up looking like marine mammals to them. Sharks are actually amazing creatures.

Sorry, I've read too much and watched too many documentaries - I just have a huge fascination with it all.

Also...Mc Donalds actually have chicken in their meals? Blimey! Now that's news...

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Posted: 27th Sep 2007 16:30 Edited at: 27th Sep 2007 16:31
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Here we often eat sharks.


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Quote: "Also...Mc Donalds actually have chicken in their meals? Blimey! Now that's news..."

But probobly 1% Chicken and the rest atifical stuff!

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Posted: 27th Sep 2007 18:34 Edited at: 27th Sep 2007 18:35
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Quote: "But probobly 1% Chicken and the rest atifical stuff!"


You mean synthetic chicken? Yeah, i bet McDonalds has their own locale in area 51, producing synthetic animals from used toiletpaper and old pro-smoking ads.

Always assume the worst from the start. That way you will never be dissapointed, just relieved.

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Quote: "Always assume the worst from the start. That way you will never be dissapointed, just relieved.
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Hahahahahahahahahaha...aw crap I've been eating mcdonald's for years, hell even that supersize me movie didn't turn me off from it. Isn't that sad and yet...I'M SO SKINNY

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Posted: 27th Sep 2007 21:27 Edited at: 27th Sep 2007 21:31
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Quote: "I had dog stew in North Korea and it was pretty good. Tasted like beef-- but gamey and wild."

That is hardcore.
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Quote: "They breed chickens now?"
Thats what I heard on that film Supersize me
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so it MUST be true....honestly it is actually true. They have crazy ranches down in massive cleared parts of the Amazon rainforest aswell, with some rather dodgy looking cows.

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Posted: 27th Sep 2007 23:06
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Quote: "for one thing human flesh tastes horrible to sharks"


You asked a shark and got its opinion?

For the record I will probably try anything at least once. Aside from human, of course-- that is unless I'm stuck on a mountain from a plane crash ala Alive

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Then you should try "Tollos" its a recipe made with this shark:





Its not so big, around 2 or 3 meters.


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The world is evil, humans will use any method to enchance their own well being, be that making bears dance on the street....or chickens being stuffed into small spaces to allow a few pennys off your chicken at the local supermarket.

But the fact is, this isnt going to change anytime soon...most people couldnt care anyways.

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Quote: "You asked a shark and got its opinion?
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As a matter of a fact I did, his name was Bruce, he's Australian and a vegetarian.

Quote: "Here we often eat sharks.
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So I've heard, I mean Spain likes their fish don't they? Unfortunately it was the Spannish fisherman that have over fished the seas there. Personally I wouldn't eat a shark simply because they are being over fished and are becoming endangered.

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Well, I'm not in Spain (Yeah Im spain but I Mean, Im not in the Iberian peninsula) I'm in Canary Islands, the sharks we fish are not endangered (not all the shark species are endangered but yeah some are...) however For our situation near Africa there´re big Cultural and alimentary differences between the Iberian peninsula and us (such as shark eating) many of this recipes are Previous to the Spanish conquest and date from the precolonial period,personally I never heard of people eating sharks in Spain only in Canary Islands, there many species of sharks Canary Islands and only one kind of shark is fished, these sharks are called "Calzon" and are usually sold dry in slides that can be cook any ways we don't eat it really often... or at least at my home.

However I had ate many weird things cuz my brother really likes sub-marine fishing and he often comes home with many weird fishes such as rays (yeah rays can be food as well ) Guitarfishes and many weird stuff I cant name hear because I don't even know their names in English , but I found images in internet

















Many others I haven't found any images


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Posted: 28th Sep 2007 03:27 Edited at: 28th Sep 2007 03:39
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Actually, Japan still hunts dolphins. Thousands are killed every year in the annual "Japan Dolphin Day" where they use motor boats to round up dolphins and kill them for meat or just because they consider them a threat to their fishing areas. This includes separating up family groups and even holding them captive for several days before killing them. Its a painful and cruel death.

There is something you can do by supporting groups like the WDCS (Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society) which I personally have supported for several years now. As well as research into their behaviour and monitoring their declining numbers, they also gather evidence against those illegally killing these animals all over the world and organise demonstrations and protests against countries which allow cruel treatment or to raise awareness. More info is available here:
http://www.wdcs.org/

EDIT: Just to let you know that its not a pointless exercise, the WDCS were responsible for stopping Tesco PLC from selling whale, dolphin and porpoise meat in its supermarkets in Japan back in 2004. This was after they made Tesco aware that the Japanese government sanctioned the killing of more than 800 whales in the North Pacific and Antarctic under the guise of 'scientific research'. This was in direct contravention of the International Whaling Commission (IWC) and its ban on commercial whaling.
Plus, in May of this year they successfully persuaded the major UK supermarkets including Waitrose, Tesco, Sainsbury's and Marks & Spencer not to supply fish products from companies linked to whaling in Iceland.
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Quote: "be that making bears dance on the street"


Interestingly I went to a circus in Pyongyang and they dressed these bears up and made them dance. Was cute in a disturbing way.

I'm not a jerk when it comes to animals, but that picture of the chicken farm does not disturb me in any way. People picking them up and kicking them (at the KFC farms)--- that does disturb me.

My family has many hunters and trappers who kill animals for a living, and they do it humanely with a bullet, and always have. I've even killed a fox with a pistol a few years ago that was preying on my grandpa's goats.

You have to strike a fair balance. In Newfoundland there used to be an enormous seal pelt industry and they would club them to death to preserve their fur (or at least I think that's why). The animal rights groups destroyed the industry and most of the townsmen in the northern cities are unemployed and living off social assistance because there's no industry there. I dunno--- sometimes you have to take the good and accept that bad things are done to make the good things.

I don't have issues with dancing bears any more than I have issues with lions and tigers in Vegas.

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Quote: "But the fact is, this isnt going to change anytime soon...most people couldnt care anyways."


You're right, I don't care, as long as it tastes good in my belly. Of course, I do care about the needless cruelty, but if sub-prime conditions (ie not extremely disgusting) saves me from having to double my food budget I can live comfortably eating it

That said, killing dolphins I find fairly offensive because it has not yet been disproven that they are intelligent animals, killing smart beings is always a bad idea! But as for how they are killing them, they are truly choosing the easiest way in which to do so, killing stuff is not easy, or so it's been said...


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