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Geek Culture / The Ultimate Virus?

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heartbone
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Posted: 27th Sep 2007 20:26
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Stealth Windows update prevents XP repair

That's one way to increase Vista sales.

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Deathead
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Posted: 27th Sep 2007 20:31
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Thats one sad website.

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Oolite
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Posted: 27th Sep 2007 20:49
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Quote: "Thats one sad website."


Because windows is teh uber leetest OS in da world?

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heartbone
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Posted: 27th Sep 2007 22:20
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An unusual XP bug making it through Microsoft testing of an underhanded update.

What is the chance of this being a coincidence?

None.

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Keo C
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Posted: 28th Sep 2007 05:31 Edited at: 29th Sep 2007 02:06
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'Nuff said.
DISCLAIMER: [This info is off topic and useless]

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game lover
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Posted: 28th Sep 2007 05:41 Edited at: 28th Sep 2007 05:41
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'Nuff said"


That was completely off subject and useless.

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Aaron Miller
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Posted: 28th Sep 2007 05:53
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That's it, I'm so sick and tired of stupid threads relying on idiotic posts from MS haters because they like some other OS, be it Linux or Macintosh. A: Neither Linux or Macintosh are truly more secure. If Mac or Linux had 90% of the computer market, they would have a ton more virus's than Windows would, and then Windows would be the more secure OS, eh? B: Linux has so many distros, GUI environments, and crap clones, it's like having to buy Windows Vista Basic because it's cheaper. Apparently the Linux world doesn't like that, yet, OMFG! There's even more Linux distros then there are Windows distros! NO WAY! And even a bunch of Linux distros try to act like Windows, but fail miserably. C: Mac users are attracted for security (Which I already discussed), and because they've been the first to do something. Really, they have not been the first to do everything. The GUI was stolen from Xerox.. Steve Jobs is an a**hole.. And then they go around calling other companies exactly what they are! That's more of Apple, but the company does reflect on the OS, and if you want a pussycat OS then take the pussycat OS, if you want the "shark" OS, then take the shark OS.

Let's see, making a thread because you don't like Microsoft? GET OVER IT. If you wanna talk bad about Microsoft join a forum that already does this, like one of the Linux communities, or even better! You can become a Mac user and talk about how shiny your computer is!


QUIT MAKING THREADS ABOUT THIS STUFF ON TGC
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TKF15H
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Posted: 28th Sep 2007 07:48
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Don't get me wrong, I'm a Windows XP fan, and sorta anti-linux (when it comes to desktop use anyway... I think it does a fine job as a server OS), but I cringe every time people say that the only reason Linux is safer is because of the smaller market. It's simply not true. Saying so just shows how little you know about linux and the way it works. A default (and therefore typical) Windows setup is very vulnerable to viruses and spyware due to flimsy security. A default Linux setup is the opposite, as you can't actually do much without a root password. I don't know about Mac, but I guess it's along the same lines as Linux in this respect.

I do agree with the fact that Linux fans are annoying though.

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Aaron Miller
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Posted: 28th Sep 2007 08:04
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Quote: "I do agree with the fact that Linux fans are annoying though."

I'm a Linux fan... I just don't like it when someone says something is wrong with Windows, that really doesn't need to be mentioned over and over and over again.


As for the default setup of Windows versus Linux, IMO it's more of a perspective really. Say you're right handed, and Windows is the "right hand pencil", then say your friend is left handed, and Linux is the "left hand pencil", as a simple analogy anyways. But more to the point, the more people who use it, the more likely it is it will get a virus. There would be more info on it, more examples, and the such.


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ionstream
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Posted: 28th Sep 2007 08:12
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Yes, Linux is good when you're using the command line only for like servers and scripts and such. For multimedia, use Windows or Mac. The windowing systems for linux are very buggy and unstable; KDE is frequently crashing on me and is very slow. Yesterday I was browsing websites and I opened up a news article in Konqueror in another tab, when the entire system froze. No ctrl+alt+delete, or alt+F1 or anything, so I had to hit the reset button. I've never had to do that with Windows.

Then theres the drivers problem, I've had to go through hell and back to get my TV tuner to work, and then I had to recompile X11 with different settings to get the nVidia driver to work, which wouldn't have been a big deal if there was documentation on the subject.

I'm confused as to what people mean when they say "Linux" is secure. What are they referring to, the kernel? Maybe the kernel is secure, but all of the linux software like Konqueror and Mplayer are as insecure as Windows software. Apache is secure, but that has nothing to do with Linux.

Also making repairs impossible is in no way going to increase sales, that makes absolutely no sense at all. Nobody is going to go out and buy a new copy of Windows every time a service pack comes out.

That's not as bad as you think you said.
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Mr Makealotofsmoke
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Posted: 28th Sep 2007 09:34
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go aaron go!
i agree 100% to your first post. I hate APPLE with a passion and i hate it when they bribe about there crap OS and other S*** things like iPods and the millions of stupid accessories you have to buy to get what most of the others come with


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Posted: 28th Sep 2007 10:55
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Quote: "I hate APPLE with a passion and i hate it when they bribe about there crap OS and other S*** things like iPods"


I'm with you all the way mate!


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Posted: 28th Sep 2007 14:05
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all though we deliver mass pwnage since we got Itunes on windows, tada..smack into mac's world. It was a gift with my roomie's phone so woot!

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Posted: 28th Sep 2007 15:09 Edited at: 28th Sep 2007 15:09
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Quote: "But more to the point, the more people who use it, the more likely it is it will get a virus. There would be more info on it, more examples, and the such."

Again, it's not like that. There is far more info on Linux (since it's opensource) than on WIndows. It's about design. Windows was designed in a way that makes it easy to infect. Linux was designed with security in mind from the start. It's not about how many people use it, it's about architecture.
Linux by nature is secure. The filesystem is the one feature I wish Windows would copy (WinFS?).
Stability on the other hand, well... in my experience (and ionstream's, apparently) Linux loses to Windows XP, badly.

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Jeku
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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 00:52
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Quote: "QUIT MAKING THREADS ABOUT THIS STUFF ON TGC
I believe the company is called The GAME Creators. Not The OS Creators."


Who died and made you boss?

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 01:10
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As it's a website about revealing Microsoft's so-called 'secrets' and the fact it's the internet, I am not immediately going to trust its source, yeah very possible, but if mass media can twist truth or even tell fibs for a bias, so can a website. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's not truth, I'm just not going to be so quick to trust the source.

Quote: "i agree 100% to your first post. I hate APPLE with a passion and i hate it when they bribe about there crap OS and other S*** things like iPods and the millions of stupid accessories you have to buy to get what most of the others come with"


Uh Apples are one of your 5 a day, I don't see Microsoft or Linux on that list... (I kid of course)

But more to the point, dare I say it, nor do I mean to be offensive, but it will be anyway, but that comment is stupid. Their OS isn't crap and the buying is millions of stupid accessories...My iPod came with all I need in it's box, I don't 'have' to buy anything else, I can charge it, I can put songs onto it, I can listen to my music with it - no extra buying. As with Macs, I don't know many that buy accessories for them, because their hardware is there, accessories are for those people who want them, like with anything else.

As for being 'a crap OS', their customers won't agree with that statement nor do I, as would Windows and Linux users if they heard someone say their OS was crap...simple answer is none are crap, it's down to preference. I prefer Windows for some things, I prefer Mac for other reasons and have no use for Linux (as it doesn't appeal to me)

Also, you hate a company? I'd understand it if the company used slaves in 3rd world countries to build their products and had a lot of unethical means of making their product, like some companies do. But why do you hate them? It's a daft thing to me, you just stick to your preferred products and leave Apple be.

But please, don't let this turn into another Mac vs PC vs Linux argument, all of the so far have been stupid with narrow minded comments and nobody getting anywhere, except people like me declaring the whole thing as subjectivity and none of the 3 OS's are crap because people use them and love them.

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@Seppuku Arts
I'm not gonna say anything about Macs, but I have to make fun of one thing ya said (Not against you personally):
Quote: "My iPod came with all I need in it's box, I don't 'have' to buy anything else, I can charge it, I can put songs onto it, I can listen to my music with it - no extra buying."

DBP came with everything it needed out of the box too... Do you not use any plugins that are provided with DBP? (If you use DBP)

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Bruce Lee.

@TKF15H
NTFS I believe.

Now then, Linux may have more documentation on it, but if no one looks at it, what's that matter? Look at it this way; Say there's two body guards. One is buff and powerful, the other not so buff, and not so powerful. It's likely that the less buff and powerful one would be the one someone would get into a fight with, and hence becomes a more popular "target". Say 30 against 1. He'd go down. Now, take the 2nd body guard for instance (The powerful/buff one), 30 against 1 again, and he'd likely go down, even though he's more "secure". (I'm not saying windows isn't powerful, as windows is, I'm just trying to make an analogy) Do you see my point? The more people against it, the likelier it will fall. Here's another analogy... There's a house of bricks, and a house of twigs. If a robber is to break into a house, which one would he likely break into? The house of twigs of course! Now, maybe he won't be able to break into the house of bricks alone, but with a few more people he could.

My point is, the more people using the OS, the more likely it will be found to be buggy, insecure, etc. Just because it was designed with security in mind doesn't mean it will end up being as secure as possible, as it hasn't been truly put to the test of 90% of the computer market.


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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 06:09
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Quote: "There's a house of bricks, and a house of twigs. If a robber is to break into a house, which one would he likely break into? The house of twigs of course! Now, maybe he won't be able to break into the house of bricks alone, but with a few more people he could.

My point is, the more people using the OS, the more likely it will be found to be buggy, insecure, etc. Just because it was designed with security in mind doesn't mean it will end up being as secure as possible, as it hasn't been truly put to the test of 90% of the computer market."

That is flawed circular reasoning.
The second paragraph concludes that the skinny guard is skinny and the twig house is made of twigs because more people are attacking him/it.

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Aaron Miller
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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 06:23
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How did you get that? Damnit, what I'm TRYING to say is that more people are attacking it because it's skinny, but that's not the case with windows! All I'm trying to say, is that even the more secure software wouldn't be so secure if more people are making virii for it. Like using multiple bombs instead of just one on a house.


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Even though I use Linux, Windows is more secure out of the box then Linux. But for now let's say there on the same level. One house is Windows, the other Linux. Now a SWAT Team tries to get in to House A.
One man trying to get in House B. Who do you think will get in?
That's my confusing explanation.


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Quote: "Even though I use Linux, Windows is more secure out of the box then Linux."

This is only true if, out of the box, Windows doesn't support your network card.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 07:55
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Keo C is right in that Linux is insecure out of the box. So many things are enabled by default and have to be manually turned off.

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