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Suicidal Sledder
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Posted: 28th Sep 2007 18:19
I'm looking to buy a computer with a processor labeled as an "Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (2.0GHz, 512Kx2)" The only part of that I understand is the "2.0GHZ" part which is at least better than the one I've got now (1.8).

Thing is I've never owned an AMD or even knew anyone that owned an AMD (that I didnt meet on the internet anyway lol) I would only be paying 700 bucks for the computer and I wondered if anyone with more AMD experience could tell me how this processor would differ from an Intel.


Thanks all in advance.

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Posted: 28th Sep 2007 18:33
Athlon 64 - a 64 bit processor
X2 - this means its dual core
3800+ I believe this means it runs equivalent to an Intel 3.8GHz though I don't know if that's a rumor or not. Even still, it's how AMD measures their processor rating.

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Posted: 28th Sep 2007 19:59
Quote: "I believe this means it runs equivalent to an Intel 3.8GHz"


A 2.0GHz CPU running equivelant to a 3.8GHz? I doubt it!
It's just a model number.

Be careful with the 64. I got an AMD processor which, by all accounts, almost stated it was a 64-bit processor. Turns out the 64 was just a model number as well
That'll teach me for not researching enough before hand!

I've never had a problem with AMD, and quite a few with Intel, so I'm a little biased, but I'd say it's a great processor

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Posted: 28th Sep 2007 20:36
Ah, yes, that does sound ridiculous now that I think about it. However I have heard that a few times from a few different places. I don't know That's why I said it was a rumor

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Posted: 28th Sep 2007 20:39
AMD's also keep the usage down to a minimum. For example, if you have nothing running, and your computer is just idling. Go into your computer properties (Windows key + Pause/Break) and it'll say your CPU speed is somewhere in the MHz. Close out of it, and run a few progs. Now check, and it'll be higher.

I also read that AMD runs slightly different from Intel, so the speeds will "look" slower than Intel's, but really, they'd be the same
Quote: "3800+ I believe this means it runs equivalent to an Intel 3.8GHz though I don't know if that's a rumor or not. Even still, it's how AMD measures their processor rating."


I think that's what it might be, but I dunno.
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Posted: 28th Sep 2007 20:42 Edited at: 28th Sep 2007 20:42
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I also read that AMD runs slightly different from Intel, so the speeds will "look" slower than Intel's, but really, they'd be the same
Quote: "3800+ I believe this means it runs equivalent to an Intel 3.8GHz though I don't know if that's a rumor or not. Even still, it's how AMD measures their processor rating."

I think that's what it might be, but I dunno."


That is exactly what I heard as well, but I dunno either.

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Posted: 28th Sep 2007 21:32 Edited at: 28th Sep 2007 21:34
AMD Athlons can do more 'work' per cycle than their Pentium friends. So, even though it runs at 2Ghz it's roughly equivalent to a Pentium running at 3.8Ghz.

Quote: "AMD's also keep the usage down to a minimum. For example, if you have nothing running, and your computer is just idling. Go into your computer properties (Windows key + Pause/Break) and it'll say your CPU speed is somewhere in the MHz. Close out of it, and run a few progs. Now check, and it'll be higher."


All modern AMD and Intel CPU's do this.

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Posted: 28th Sep 2007 23:09
I have a AMD and have almost no problems, except the occasional crash when playing very large atomic-powered 91.5Ghz MMORTS games. The processer runs at a very low tempature and never seems to run at 100%. But I have the sempron version and don't know about the Athlon, but I still have 2.0Ghz and 1 core.

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Posted: 28th Sep 2007 23:52
Semprons are like Intel Celerons. They are the low end versions of the chips. The Athlon he is describing is a LOT better especially as it's a 64 bit chip and dual core.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 00:41
better?

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 02:16
The processor is really 64-bit with 32 bit compatibly.
Jess T, you really did the research?
Please look at this page.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9485_9487%5E9503,00.html

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 02:26
I have a store bought AMD 64X2 4200+, and it runs fine, but that 3.8Ghz stuff is something you probably will never notice in real life.
I got it because at the time dual core was the latest thing. One thing is that AMD has since come out with new sockets and processors so if
you want to go to the next level, you'll be out of luck.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 02:34
That's my processor!

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 02:37 Edited at: 29th Sep 2007 02:42
my advice get a core 2 duo, but looking at some benchmark results it don't look too slow, a half decent graphics card helps though

Don't get hung up on Mhz it's not relative, you have to compair with MIPS or something else.



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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 04:02
I currently run (and now with the AMD Optimiser and Processor Drivers for Vista) a stable AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (2.0GHz 2x640K) AM2

In the past, after Intel Pentium II; my processor purchases were Athlon/Semperon. Simply because they were cheaper for about the same power as the Intel Pentiums.

Athlon = Mid-Range Desktop Processor
64 = 64-bit Core with 32-bit Compatibility Core; Although the earlier models, and Semperons are 32-bit Core with 64-bit Enhancements similar to EMT64 on the Pentium 4 Extreme range.
X2 = Dual Cores (recently the X3 was released, guess the core count)
3800+ = PR3800, or Pentium-Rating. This is basically means this is the equivilant Pentium performance if it was that many MHz. Don't confuse this with it being equal to a Pentium 4 3.8GHz however; as they have SSE2/3 on-chip that allow them far better Floating-Point performance when utilised. Next to a basic Pentium running at that clock speed however, if they were still made; this chip would be equal to that.

AMD over traditional Pentium design, run 7 Instructions per Clock where-as the Pentium only ran 4. This has dramatically changed with the Core 2-Series of chips (Core 2 is the family, Single/Duo/Quad indicate the core count) which now perform far better than their AMD/Pentium equivilants.

An AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ is about equal performance overall to a Pentium 4 3.2GHz w/SSE3 & HT enhancements utilised. In turn the Core 2 Duo 1.6GHz is also about the same performance bracket.

Clock speeds mean little nowadays, and it is nice Intel have finally learnt this. Unfortunately for AMD they've learn it too bloody well too.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 05:10
Didn't you know? AMD Processors are hacker tools.

Quote: "If your son has requested a new "processor" from a company called "AMD", this is genuine cause for alarm. AMD is a third-world based company who make inferior, "knock-off" copies of American processor chips. They use child labor extensively in their third world sweatshops, and they deliberately disable the security features that American processor makers, such as Intel, use to prevent hacking. AMD chips are never sold in stores, and you will most likely be told that you have to order them from internet sites. Do not buy this chip! This is one request that you must refuse your son, if you are to have any hope of raising him well."


http://www.adequacy.org/public/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html


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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 06:16
Ok, that'll teach me for just taking something I experience first-hand as fact!
I tried installing a 64-bit version of Linux a while back and it said I had a 32-bit CPU.
Just did some more research (the same as first time), and it would turn out that my processor is 64-bit.
I might have to try a newer version of linux now

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 06:21 Edited at: 29th Sep 2007 06:24
Quote: "Didn't you know? AMD Processors are hacker tools.


Quote: "If your son has requested a new "processor" from a company called "AMD", this is genuine cause for alarm. AMD is a third-world based company who make inferior, "knock-off" copies of American processor chips. They use child labor extensively in their third world sweatshops, and they deliberately disable the security features that American processor makers, such as Intel, use to prevent hacking. AMD chips are never sold in stores, and you will most likely be told that you have to order them from internet sites. Do not buy this chip! This is one request that you must refuse your son, if you are to have any hope of raising him well."

http://www.adequacy.org/public/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html"


I've seen that before and had a good chuckle at it given what AMD stands for

Quote: "Ok, that'll teach me for just taking something I experience first-hand as fact!
I tried installing a 64-bit version of Linux a while back and it said I had a 32-bit CPU.
Just did some more research (the same as first time), and it would turn out that my processor is 64-bit.
I might have to try a newer version of linux now"


Yeah, a problem when they were first released is while the original Athlons the 64bit component was an enhancement as opposed to a true 64bit with 32bit compatibility they have now; is they were still 64bit processors.. yet at the same time Intel released their Itanium processors (also 64bit) which weren't using the x86 specifics; as such they were only 64bit.

*nix OS were ported to utilise IA64 as Intel called them, yet most didn't understand the difference between IA64 and X86-64; especially given IA32 is basically X86-32.
Blame Intel for the confusion

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 07:26
On most major Linux Distros, they have special packages just for those kind of processors.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 11:26
None of them work for my AMD comp, neither 32-bit or 64-bit... They just crash.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 14:06
most work on my comps, but only for a short deceptive time; then they decided once I've got used to them they'll cause lots of problems ranging from annoying to show-stopping.

totally given up on *nix again, and in-fact gone pure Windows Vista for the moment. oddly enough the systems never been better, but ho hum that's not what this topic is about heh

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