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DrewG
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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 22:19
Hi,

I already have the Official SAT Study Guide book, but was wondering if anyone in the US (not sure if anywhere else does the SATs, foreign country wise) has any tips or things I should know before hand when taking the test?

Thanks
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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 22:21
Well... whcih SATs are you doing? We have SATs here in sunny old England, but I suspect they are different to yours. We have them in year six and year eight..

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DrewG
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I'm taking the Reasoning test again. I sucked at it the first time... So I need to redo it.
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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 22:25
@SSS: Here in England we do SATS and CATS.

Gil Galvanti
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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 22:26
I'm taking it next weekend again, because I didn't like my score from the first time. I got an 1830/2400. How'd you do?


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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 22:30
What is SAT?


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Deathead
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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 22:31
SATs is a series of tests. I done this in Junior School. I do CATS in Secondary school.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 22:36
Protip: Pass.

DrewG
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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 22:38 Edited at: 29th Sep 2007 22:39
Quote: "I'm taking it next weekend again, because I didn't like my score from the first time. I got an 1830/2400. How'd you do?"


Unless you're applying to Harvard that's an excellent score for a first time around. I'm taking mine Oct. 6 too, but I'm too embarrassed to post my SAT scores online. What'd you do to study?
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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 02:14 Edited at: 30th Sep 2007 02:20
Quote: "What is SAT?"

It's a standardized test in the United States that most students going to college take. You can take it as many times as you want (obviously not same exact questions every time, just similar), and whenever you want (usually people don't take it until around 10th (age 15-16, there are 12 grades) grade, because it covers some advanced algebra and geometry). It covers math, reading comprehension, and writing skills. I took it last year, and your score normally improves the second time around. The point of it is that most every college looks at your score as a determining factor of whether to admit you or not, so it's an important test .

Quote: "Protip: Pass."

Lol, there is no "pass" or "fail" just a score out of 2400 (each of 3 parts is worth 800).

Also, questions range from easy to hard, examples from my practice test:
easy
For a long time, most doctors maintained that taking massive doses of vitamins was relatively harmless; now, however, some are warning that excessive dosages can be ----;
a) health b) expensive c) wasteful d) toxic e) inane

hard
Some interactive computer games are so elaborately contrived and require such ---- strategies that only the most ---- player can master them.
a) byzantine...adroit b) nefarious...conscientious c) devious...lackadaisical d) onerous...slipshod e) predictable...compulsive.

Quote: "Unless you're applying to Harvard that's an excellent score for a first time around. I'm taking mine Oct. 6 too, but I'm too embarrassed to post my SAT scores online. What'd you do to study?"

Heh, I know it's not a very bad score, it's just not great. A lot of my friends got above 2000, and some above 2100 . I haven't studied much yet, but I have the "Official SAT Study Guide", and am taking one of the practice tests in it (done 2 25 minute sections so far, just started today ). The problem is that you can't really study, it's a general knowledge test, so it just depends on how well you know math, writing, grammar, and reading comprehension. Only thing you can somewhat study for is review math and grammar.


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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 02:48
Alrighty, I'll try that more then. I got the same book.
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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 02:48
Wow, no wonder people get the impression that Uni's are going down the drain when you can take a test as many times as it takes until they'll let you in!

It should be (as is here in Aus); Take the same test as everyone at your level. Be ranked against them. Take the smartest only.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 02:52 Edited at: 30th Sep 2007 02:52
Quote: "Wow, no wonder people get the impression that Uni's are going down the drain when you can take a test as many times as it takes until they'll let you in!"

Heh, well it's not the same test, so unless your actual knowledge of the subjects improve or your test-taking skills improve, your score won't . And it's not like someone stupid could get into a University by just taking the test over and over, because their score will remain about the same if their knowledge doesn't improve, so it's still a good way to measure it .


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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 03:19
I see, we have something similar, its called "PAU" but it a little bit different, you only can do this test after Bachelor and your result will determine which career can you take not which Uni, I mean, depent
of your result on this test + your results on all over your academy life + the bachelor you choose (ex: art, tech, humanities, socials...) you have some options to chose but you can go to whatever Uni you want if you have the money to afford it...


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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 03:45
Quote: "so it's still a good way to measure it"


It's a terrible way to measure intelligence. But that's an argument for another thread


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Gil Galvanti
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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 04:07
Quote: "It's a terrible way to measure intelligence. But that's an argument for another thread"

Well I think you'll find that people who are considered "smart" by society generally score higher on the test, and those who are considered "stupid" generally score lower .


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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 04:15
Just because they're 'stupid' doesn't mean they're not determined... They could take the test a number of times until they're classed as being 'smart'.

That's why I like the ranking system we have in Aus, it's a one-shot only deal (so it's a measure of you're knowledge once, rather than being able to take it, finding out the style of questions, then sit it again), and it basically tells you exactly where you sit in relation to all other people at your level taking the exams. This way, it's a relative measure as opposed to some kind of hard-score (like yours) which means that it'll fluctuate based on the general intelligence level of all those sitting the tests.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 04:30
We just have provincial exams here--- and that's it. There's no SATs or University entrance exams here. It's all based on your transcripts. I would *hate* to have to have SATs.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 05:01
Shall we look at Einstein for an example into why tests are lame?

Quote: "Rather than completing high school, Albert decided to apply directly to the ETH Zurich, the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, Switzerland. Without a school certificate, he was required to take an entrance examination. He did not pass. Einstein wrote that it was in that same year, at age 16, that he first performed his famous thought experiment, visualizing traveling alongside a beam of light (Einstein 1979)."


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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 05:15
Yeah test are sooooo lame, you cant measure the intelligence of one person with it.

Ex: I have a friend who was always brilliant in class, he always score 10 of 10 in everything but in fact he is kind of stupid, I was all the time explaining to him many things and he barely understand what I was saying, he even doesn't knows what he was studding, he just memorize everything like a computer but rarely he understand a thing... I remember he talking "because cells bla bla bla bla" like it was in the book and then me asking, "ok, now explain it with your own words" and then he get stuck...


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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 14:03
Quote: "I do CATS in Secondary school."


Is that even legal?

I thought it was SATS again in Secondary school during Year 9? Well I guess different schools must do it differently.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 14:15 Edited at: 30th Sep 2007 14:16
@Seppuku: We do CATS in Year 7. And in Year 9 we do CATS and SATS. Then ofcourse we do lots of tests to get us ready for GCSE. Edit: As when we hit year 10 we do these tests and revision homeworks, then in Year 11 We do GCSE.

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CATS still confuses me...have they changed the system since I did my SATS or something?

Well that would explain why I saw year 7s doing exams whilst I was studying my A Levels at school, and of course I know about year 10 and 11, I'm sure it is still the same from 3/4 years a go.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 15:47
www.number2.com

great test prep site.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 19:14
My advice is not to worry too much about them. They don't really matter here in England, it's just so the government can see how the average student is performing. They're a load of poo to be honest.

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Quote: "My advice is not to worry too much about them. They don't really matter here in England, it's just so the government can see how the average student is performing. They're a load of poo to be honest."

I think they are completely different tests, just with the same letters, because here they affect what colleges you get into .


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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 20:58
Ha, multiple choice questions, and I thought the GCSE's were piss


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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 21:10 Edited at: 30th Sep 2007 21:11
Quote: "Ha, multiple choice questions, and I thought the GCSE's were piss "

but you lose 1/4 a point for a wrong answer, so the theory is that if you just guess one everything, you still get 0 points. And multiple choice doesn't necessarily mean easy, I don't think we're that much stupider than everyone else, despite what people may think .


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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 21:28
Shame you don't have multiple essay questions...

1. "Shakespeare's representation of relationships in the novel Othello was effective..." Discuss...

A: Yes it was
B: No it wasn't
C: Kinda

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