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aluseus GOD
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What is the most useful non essential slash main feature things from dbpro that you think is?

I think its memblocks.

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Megaton Cat
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Statistics have shown that ice-cream and red bull are actually the most useful. Sorry.

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I'd have to disagree with both of you, sorry.

The most useful has to be the coconuts.

Meh. Signatures. Lame :p
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No, Aikicat. It's the computer itself.


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I agree with coconuts.

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Don't forget about the pingiuns!!!!!

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Rum , a lot of it...


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Aaron Miller
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I thought it was coffee.... Each project usually consumes around 1024 cups of coffee, and 42 trips to the hospital due to banging head against wall at highly caffinated levels...

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Everyone's entitled to an opinion...but your opinions are wrong.

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Pingiuns are what makes it complete!

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Aaron Miller
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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 07:22
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Quote: "Everyone's entitled to an opinion...but your opinions are wrong."

If I didn't like my sig more, I would quote you in that sig.

How about this one:

"There's no such thing as a stupid question, just stupid people." - Mr. Garison

lol.


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The ability to make plugins through DBP itself. Oh, wait... Nevermind...

lol, seriously though, the ability to make plugins (In C/C++ of course).



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I agree wiv the cwofee. Cwofee make phrogramming a chhallenge.

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I personally believe the ability to compile your code has proven quite usefull when using DBP.

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haha! I think Grandma spotted the most useful feature...

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Dare I say it, I agree with Aikicat, though personally I prefer Relentless to Red Bull, but same difference - also, you cannot forget the bananas, I mean coffee and coconuts are so overrated.

However, I think the guy wanted a serious answer, so I'll try...

I've never used a memblock, so aside from the compiler I'd say the most useful feature is the loop.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 18:18
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You're all so young an naive. Everyone knows the most important thing is Jolt!


Memblocks are nice, and I've done a lot of things with them. However, I haven't really used them much for any games. So I'll have to say UDTs are the most useful.


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Quote: "I thought it was coffee.... Each project usually consumes around 1024 cups of coffee, and 42 trips to the hospital due to banging head against wall at highly caffinated levels..."

Must be one of them high budget projects.

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Actually, probably the most important thing to programming is a keyboard or form of input device... what good is a compiler if you can't even write the code

UDTs rock for big projects

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AndrewT
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Yuck. Why does everyone here like coffee so much?? There are many other ways of obtaining caffeine; personally, I enjoy a painful injection in my neck.

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You guys... I said Non-Necessary thing.

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Quote: " I enjoy a painful injection in my neck."


really? you to? oh, i thought i was the only one..


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I don't see what the thing for caffeine is. It does absolutely nothing for me. I could drink liters of caffeinated pop and never feel any different, same with coffees.

Anyhow, I prefer to get a fill of caffeine through something tasty and refreshing. Anyone who thinks straight coffee tastes good or thinks its refreshing has issues. Cold carbonated drinks are the way to go all the time. Nothing more refreshing aside from water itself.

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I have discovered the most non-essential useful part of programming!
The goto command.

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lol @ INH

But seriously, Agent Dinks right; caffeine really doesn't do much for me, and coffee's gross.

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Quote: "But seriously, Agent Dinks right; caffeine really doesn't do much for me, and coffee's gross."

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Possibly, or gosub or 'function' In my engine I've not yet used GOTO...those I will use one or two when the time comes, but it reads the game data with gosubs and functions from the scripts. So I think with 'goto' I can do several levels/maps, with no goto, I can only do 1. 'Gosub' and 'function' I can't live with out. Of course 'endfunction' and 'return' as well, otherwise the other two won't work.

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Coffee is good, mmkay. I'm addicted-- almost 2 pots a day.

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Quote: "Possibly, or gosub or 'function' In my engine I've not yet used GOTO...those I will use one or two when the time comes, but it reads the game data with gosubs and functions from the scripts. So I think with 'goto' I can do several levels/maps, with no goto, I can only do 1. 'Gosub' and 'function' I can't live with out. Of course 'endfunction' and 'return' as well, otherwise the other two won't work."


GOSUBs are as bad as GOTOs... you should learn to use functions (or other algorithms) in their place.


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There are actually a few places where GOTO is a good thing to use in C++. Doesn't seem natural, but in some instances it makes the code slightly more efficient, and I've seen some examples of this.

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I dunno, some instances I found goto and gosub more convenient than functions.

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Quote: "Coffee is good, mmkay. I'm addicted-- almost 2 pots a day."


Amen

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Quote: "I dunno, some instances I found goto and gosub more convenient than functions"
Heh, they used to drum it into us in college that you should never need a GOTO if you program correctly. No problems. My first job had a system in an old Unix language and the coding standards documentation they had *insisted* on a GOTO in a certain condition. Mainly because in that language, at the time, GOTO was much much faster than anything else (when they processed millions of records), plus the system was evolving so fast at the time that it was the quickest way to frig things to work. Hehe. Well, when jobs are on the line I suppose...

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You'll find that alot of the Linux kernel code is written with goto's

Linus's argument was that it increased code readability and in certain cases, speed

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Yes, there are instances when using a GOTO statement will speed up an algorithm.

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Quote: "Yes, there are instances when using a GOTO statement will speed up an algorithm."


That doesn't help if the code is all spaghettified. I can see a GOTO being used for error detection, but really much else I don't see. Perhaps for being used in conjunction with DATA statements or something, but why use data statements when you can use a data file?

It might be useful in some algorithms maybe (like sorting), but at the same time it would then be localized to a specific function, which in my mind would be an acceptable usage.

My point is if you can't figure out how to do something without using GOTO or GOSUB, you shouldn't be using GOTO or GOSUB.

You should only use them if you feel it will be a benefit rather than a hindrance and in a case where you know it can be done without resorting to GOTO/GOSUB but it's neater and/or faster.


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The instance where I am using goto is to repeat my main code for each level load, as the levels are being scripted, so...it could be (as the general of my engine is working at the moment):


Theoretically I could use functions for the whole lot, but I felt happier with a goto and gosubs, the functions I used are within the gosubs to act as set up commands, either for scripting, collision or general things, for example I'd have the function - load_object() with parameters for file directory, object number, scale, image number, normal map number, greyscale bumpmap number, shader number, collision type.

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Your load level options should be functions. You can do some cool stuff with functions that are just unwieldy with gosubs.




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I am not referring to using GOTO to send the interpreter halfway across the code. I'm referring to using it to within a function to shave cycles.

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Jerico, the gosubs just collect a set of functions like that, I mean that was only an example off of the top of my head as I am not with my programming computer to show you exactly what I've done. Load level would contain a set of commands of reading and interpreting the level scripts...well I can't remember exactly my system, but it's roughly something like that. In my mind what I'm doing is just relocating parts of the code for convenience.

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Quote: "That doesn't help if the code is all spaghettified."

Only improper use of GOTO will spaghettify code.

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Quote: "I can see a GOTO being used for error detection, but really much else I don't see"
When an overnight build of millions of records and gigabytes of data takes 9 hours rather than 11, just because of a GOTO, then thats why (plus lots of other speed enhancements are tested out to get things quicker. Best example I've seen is an overnight report going from 2 hours to complete to 23 seconds. Nice). Plus in a lot of cases further development of old code is a lot quicker using GOTO rather than rewriting it using nicer coding practices. When thousands of pounds per day are paid to get modifications written then the faster the better. I'm not saying GOTO is always the answer, just that it's not as evil as a lot of people seem to make out. Remembering my old insane lecturer there. She used to say "GOTO hell!!!!" and have an eppy about it. She also said within 2 years (1989) programmers would be very rare because systems would develop that would allow no programming and monkeys could do it.

Quote: "That doesn't help if the code is all spaghettified"
Not if you know what you are doing and follow properly set out procedures.

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How about the index in the help I have never used it.

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