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Phaelax
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Posted: 25th Oct 2007 06:56
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I'm really the only mutual friend caught in this situation. I went to highschool with the guy and we used to skate together all the time since until about a year ago when we lost contact. The same time he was dating danielle I was dating danielle's sister, the one who made the 911 call. We always kept in touch since then. The news says she was shot several times but don't note that my ex had to see her brains all over the place.

Not knowing why and knowing that I'll never find out why is probably the worst feeling about the whole thing.


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Posted: 25th Oct 2007 07:01
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Condoleances. People do the most horrid things to each other - it is amazing how distant and unimportant life, death, cruelty and poverty can seem if they don't affect you personally.

I'll say prayers for both of them.


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There's more and more of these situations all the time. Some guy goes in, shoots whoever, and kills himself. And what can you do?

Of course, this might never affect any of us. Just another death in the news. New's full of murders, isn't it?


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Hotel Rwanda must be one of the most powerful movies in showing us how passive we are. At one point, during the genocides in Rwanda, a news reporter comes to the main character and the main character expresses his gratitude for the journalist' work, as it will surely cause people to send help and troops after seeing such atrocities.

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I think if people see this footage they'll say, "oh my God that's horrible," and then go on eating their dinners. "


It's typical for how life is. Maybe it's better, it would be horrible if we felt heartbreaking sympathy for every of such cases, but it is kind of wry when you see that it can happen close to you as well...


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I'm so sorry this happened, deaths of this nature only hasten the hurt and grief upon the families and friends. My condolences.. I just don't know what else to say.

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Posted: 25th Oct 2007 13:22 Edited at: 25th Oct 2007 13:23
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Quote: "There's more and more of these situations all the time. Some guy goes in, shoots whoever, and kills himself. And what can you do?"


1) I would stop selling guns to the general public.

2) I would provide free health care so people who are depressed can get some help.

Sorry to hear your sad news.

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Posted: 25th Oct 2007 15:39
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That's horrible, i could never begin to imagine what that guy must have been thinking when he decided to do something that sick. It's just completely out of my range of thought. I condole.

Quote: "but don't note that my ex had to see her brains all over the place."


Not so graphic please.

Quote: "1) I would stop selling guns to the general public."


Sadly that wouldn't really stop people from obtaining guns if they wanted to. That means the law-abiding citizens are defenseless whilst criminals and wackos get all the guns. Sounds like a bad solution to me.

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Posted: 25th Oct 2007 15:56
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Sorry to hear that Phaelax

Quote: "Hotel Rwanda must be one of the most powerful movies in showing us how passive we are. "


Hotel Rwanda was a great movie.

Quote: "1) I would stop selling guns to the general public."


That wouldn't have much effect here. I'm not going to argue "why". Niether should anyone else. Otherwise, this thread is going to just turn into a "gun law" debate and will get locked.


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Quote: "Hotel Rwanda was a great movie"
Totally. Not normally my type of thing, but really grabbed me.

My granddad once was serving in a bar and a known well liked local came in for a couple. Did some small talk with my granddad, who noted he was a little quieter than normal, then he left. Nothing out of the ordinary really. Next day it turns out the bloke had gone home, got out his shotgun, then shot his 2 kids and wife in the head before killing himself. Wife amazingly survived even with a head shot. She even got married again. But according to my granddad no-one could have seen it coming (outside the marriage at least) and on the night itself the bloke was just a little quieter than normal. Terrible really.

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Posted: 25th Oct 2007 18:01
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My sympathies to those hurt and involved...but dude that is seriously screwed up...It was certainly an act of cowardice on a screwed up level. The hard thing is, you don't know somebody is screwed up until it's too late and I certainly feel sorry for those effected, it must be horrible to lose somebody close to you.


As for Hotel Rwanda, I don't wish to digress, I think it's good that it focused on the good of mankind as well as the evils - as the media seems to show us the evils and I think it was really moving, especially as it was true story.

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Posted: 25th Oct 2007 20:12
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Quote: "but dude that is seriously screwed up"

It seems that everything's screwed up.

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Posted: 26th Oct 2007 06:46
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Quote: "1) I would stop selling guns to the general public."


I'm pretty sure the gun he used wasn't registered, but he's had it for years.

Given the further info my ex has told me(i wont go into detail), it appears he had this planned out and his intention was to kill her from the start. And as I'm the one who had any contact with them, I've gotta let my friends know what happened if they haven't already caught it on the news.

It's easy to turn your head the other way when this is always on tv and you don't know the people. But when its people you know, it sticks in your head and you can't get it out.


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Wow, I'm very sorry to hear about this Phaelex. That's horrible. I will never understand people. Why someone would kill a perfectly innocent person, I could never begin to understand.

This may sound sort of insensitive, as this guy was your friend at one time Phaelex, but the world is better without him. Someone who can do something like this to someone shouldn't deserve to live. The question is why did he have to take this girl with him, sadly this can never be answered. Some people are just filled with hatred and anger.

I read the article and your ex's sister sounded like a great girl and I'd like to think the reason she decided to meet up with her ex was to try and help him, as that was one of her talents in her internship.

I'll pray for you and her other friends, and most importantly the girls family.

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Posted: 26th Oct 2007 07:18
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Quote: "It's easy to turn your head the other way when this is always on tv and you don't know the people. "


I wouldn't say we want to ignore it, but most people can't handle accepting the reality of such a horrible situation. This is not something sane humans can imagine unless they are forced to. So sorry...

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Posted: 26th Oct 2007 07:43
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Quote: "There's more and more of these situations all the time"


I think in reality it's only reported (on the news) more often.

Quote: "1) I would stop selling guns to the general public."


It's possible if she had a gun she may not have died.

I'm very sorry to hear about this loss.


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i find that certain americans are quite weird (not all of you of course) but i have seen recently that classification laws in america are much more strict than in australia (resident evil: apocalypse is rated M for us and R in america), but its things like this that justify it.

ive heard that americans buy their guns "to defend themselves" but in australia we have had extremely strict laws enforced on gun ownership (even Airsoft is illegal), and we have hardly any problems to do with firearms.

it is when people have easy access to guns that they come to be in the wrong hands. it would make more sense to not allow any access to firearms and then there would really be much less of a need to defend ones self in the first place.


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Posted: 26th Oct 2007 07:58 Edited at: 26th Oct 2007 08:04
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I don't know what your government tells, but the statistics seem to paint a different picture.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

Quote: "In the specific case offered here, context is the most important factor. The piece quoted above leads the reader to believe that much of the Australian citizenry owned handguns until their ownership was made illegal and all firearms owned by "law-abiding citizens" were collected by the government through a buy-back program in 1997. This is not so. Australian citizens do not (and never did) have a constitutional right to own firearms even before the 1997 buyback program, handgun ownership in Australia was restricted to certain groups, such as those needing weapons for occupational reasons, members of approved sporting clubs, hunters, and collectors. Moreover, the 1997 buyback program did not take away all the guns owned by these groups; only some types of firearms (primarily semi-automatic and pump-action weapons) were banned. And even with the ban in effect, those who can demonstrate a legitimate need to possess prohibited categories of firearms can petition for exemptions from the law."


http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

5.7 murders per 100,000 in US (no specific weapon)

http://www.aic.gov.au/stats/crime/homicide.html

1.5 murders per 100,000 in Aus (no specific weapon)

http://porcupinenine.blogspot.com/2005/10/comparing-us-and-uk-murder-rates.html

Quote: "In the US and in the UK, crime rates (and murder rates) vary wildly from place to place. In the US, the murder rate in Washington, DC is about 80 per 100,000 population; in Arlington, Virginia, just across the half-mile wide Potomac river, it's 1.6 per 100,000. Does the overall US murder rate of 5.5 per 100,000 tell you anything about whether you would be safe in Arlington, VA or Washington, DC?"


I haven't verified this, but it is interesting to note if you wanted to look into it further:

Quote: "Official US statistics do NOT include manslaughters (vehicular etc)..they are specifically 'Murders'. The Official UK statistics include ALL murders, Homicides and manslaughters, which means that the disparity in rates is FAR greater than the author states."


But even so, we have more violent areas than you, I'll agree, but there are places in the US where you can still own guns, and are just as safe if not safer


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Posted: 26th Oct 2007 09:04 Edited at: 26th Oct 2007 09:17
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Edited: disregard...

Decided not to post about gun control / murders and all...
Lets not start a debate guys, keep this thread unlocked. This is a serious issue and lets discuss it in a serious fashion and keep on topic.

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Posted: 26th Oct 2007 11:10
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Quote: "it would make more sense to not allow any access to firearms and then there would really be much less of a need to defend ones self in the first place."


And how will they not allow any access to firearms? It's impossible, therefore your argument is not possible and it's pointless. Sorry to be harsh, but that's like saying "let's ban knives". A little difficult to implement, wouldn't you say? If they stopped selling knives, people will make them and sell them on the black market.

A real solution to this would be to find out how Phaelax's friend knew the guy planned this the whole time, and figure out why someone didn't tell the authorities to stop the threat from even occurring.

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my friend didn't know know anything, im saying I think he had it planned. Pretty much all the info we learned was after the fact. And since danielle didn't tell anyone she was meeting him, there's not much we could've done.


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Quote: "Otherwise, this thread is going to just turn into a "gun law" debate and will get locked."
Odd, my Bulletproof backpack thread turned in to one, but it didn't get locked. Maybe you should go back and lock it

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