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Aaron Miller
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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 08:19
Well, I have a bit of a situation here.....

Currently, I live in a crummy apartment with some very illogical family members. My sister, which is my legal guardian, usually gets mad at me for nothing, and puts her emotions above her logic. They have been "leaching" $700 a month from me, to pay the bills and such, $200 of which is supposed to be mine, and $100 of it I'm supposed to pay the cable/internet bills.

Now, I've been given an opportunity to get a job which pays $25 an hour for 40 hours a week. However, currently, I can't take that much time away from getting grounded, doing chores, and simple school work. However, I can evade all that (not school though), by moving in with other people, who are much more logical and nicer, and would gladly accept guardianship of me.

The problem is, that the $700 I get now doesn't just go to bills, it helps out my family's newest member, Joseph. Who is my nephew, and is now 1 year old. If I leave, my $700 would go with me. I don't want to screw up my nephew's life because I don't like mine. Yet if I don't leave, I'm not gonna be able to do anything, and in turn could screw up my own life. (Not gonna explain how or why for the sake of simplicity)

So, what would you do?



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Zaibatsu
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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 08:24 Edited at: 27th Oct 2007 08:24
Me personally would look out for myself first. Make sure your in a good position and happy, then look after your nephew any way you can. You should never ruin your own life to help somebody else.

EDIT:

BY no means should you not help other people, but just not at your own downfall.

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Osiris
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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 08:30
I believe you can always send money to the by in his name and if anyone uses it for anything but the boys own good they can get into some serious trouble with the law. Lets say you send him money for clothes and instead they buy a radio or TV with it they technically stole from him. It would be the best way to alienate the lechers but still help the boy.

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Aaron Miller
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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 08:40
That's the problem, I would have no way of knowing it was going to my nephew since I wouldn't be there. :/


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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 12:13
Take him with you.
Quote: "$700 a month from me, to pay the bills and such, $200 of which is supposed to be mine, and $100 of it I'm supposed to pay the cable/internet bills."

Does that mean you're not actually getting your $200? 'Cuz thats not good.

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tha_rami
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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 13:45
I was going to make a joke about grinding, but my girlfriend is kinda in a similar situation. Her mum gets so much % of her income, and there are some psychological and financiel problems in the family that require her to move out of her house béfore she can attend to her studies. Problem is she can't buy/hire anything because of that so much %. I'd agree with earlier comments, Aaron. It might sound egoistic, but your life goes first unléss we're talking something that could be fatal/very dangerous to the health and needs urgent attention. Otherwise, let's just say that if you move on for yourself, you could earn more later and thus help out more.

You go first, however harsh it sounds.


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Zotoaster
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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 14:02
You can leave and still give them some money to look after Joseph. Do the rest of the family have jobs?

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Dazzag
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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 14:25
As far as I'm concerned my sister's family is her own concern. We never get mixed up in helping each other out. Too complicated and can get a bit emotional if you do. Doesn't stop her from bleeding my parents dry and living in a villa on a mountain with a huge swimming pool though... But if she and her family then has money problems because of bad planning (which they did, esp. with stupid amount of rent for mentioned dream house) then it is upto her and her family to sort it out. Not me. Wasn't me who had dozens of BBQ/Pool parties last year for instance...

Quote: "You should never ruin your own life to help somebody else"
Depends who you are talking about. I would gladly lose everything for one particular person. Definitely not my sister though.

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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 14:39
They're right Aaron, get yourself into a better spot first, then here's what I'd do. Find out what is needed for your nephew and then personally use that money to purchase the items, see then there is no way they can do that if you deliver it to them...snap! Its important for the infants to be cared for and by no means should you not help others but listen to us, you're being duped out of your money and thats not right and its going to affect your health *we know it has* and you're going to sink lower. I know its tough but bit the bullet and walk out, it sounds like your sis needs a hard lesson in life, if you leave she'll get it and thing'll work out, Its always around the corner aaron, no matter how dark it seems, the sunbeam always turns the corner for the hopeful.

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Van B
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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 14:48
You'd be in a better position to help your nephew by moving out, even if it means visiting him once a week to make sure he's not going without anything.

Sounds like your sister is one of those people who would spend whatever money she has anyway, it's her problem at the end of the day, you should take care of yourself and your own future first. If you have to lend money to her now and again, well she might actually appreciate you more for it, rather than relying on you the whole time.

I used to share a flat with my brother, now he's moved out, you would think that maybe my expenses would go up, well I probably have double the disposable income now. I know how it feels to have to keep someone who should really be taking care of themselves.

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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 14:53
I would move out, and then buy your nephew things that will both benefit him, while not being able to be taken from him. For instance, you could buy him clothes and toys etc.

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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 15:05
That sucks my man, this is why we have a benefits system in the UK (Unfortunately a system that is abused and wastes tax payer's money on lazy people) but the solution is pretty difficult...

Are you able to establish a communication with your sister - you know to help you fix your problem with living there, make her aware of your unhappiness, surely she should listen to you.

Also, remember your health problem thread, it sounded a lot like stress and anxiety and this is what is probably the reason - I'm afraid you need to address that and how will your Nephew's life be affected - yeah it's a selfless thing to stay, but remember your life and health are important too and if they are compromising it without even considering your welfare, then they can't be worth living with...I see it's the 1-year old that is the problem...And that is the difficult question - is there any way you can help pay a little towards the child's life or if anybody in your family can get a job to help out with a child - I mean if that means the mother going to work, will there be any body capable of babysitting or if paying for a babysitting is cheap enough? These are things for your family to consider if you're going to leave them.

But really, don't think you're sacrificing the welfare of a child, but they're sacrificing your welfare because they won't see to your needs and you do need to look out for that...If you can do anything for the child, do what you can, I'm sure they're not heartless enough not to give him a decent life?

Perhaps think of it this way - if you finish your education, you can get a better job than if you don't. This can be used to support your sister and nephew in later years.

Of course it is still a bloody pain of a decision and I don't want to make it for you, because it may be the wrong one as I'm not sitting in your situation and wouldn't know what I would do.

Just one more thing to think about 'should my life be ruined because of my sister?' If the child's is ruined it's her fault, though I know you will feel responsible, because it's your decision, so would I, which makes it really difficult.

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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 15:09 Edited at: 27th Oct 2007 15:13
$25 an hour full time job is pretty huge Aaron, that's as much or more than most full time adults make that I know who have families and such. You'd be making plenty to support yourself alone with your own apartment. If you are a legal age I suggest that you either get your own apartment or rent a small house. If you aren't of age, definitely move in with friends or family who are more accpeting, caring and loving. With a $25 an hour job you will have plenty of money to pay them rent and support yourself and your nephew.

I don't know your family situations Aaron but they sound totally screwed over. I feel sorry for you and I will be praying for you. I hope everything gets better for you. You seem like such a kind hearted person, especially the way you want to take care of your nephew so much.

If you ever need someone to talk to, you got my MSN address feel free to IM me whenever. I'll do my best to help any way I can man


Edit: About education. Sorta left that out of my equation above. However, I'm sure it's possible to take night classes or something to get your diploma, no? Though if you are still in school you probably aren't an adult yet, unless your finishing up your last year or something...

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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 16:55
Make sure you finish high school above all (in case you lose that job). But definately remove yourself from that place. As far as your nephew goes, I'd follow VanB and others advice. If they aren't providing for him, you need to start documenting the problems (to build a case), then call social services on them. It's better to remove the infant from that situation while they're still young and can't remember much.

My assumptions/recommendations are all based on your story of the houshold you live in.

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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 19:49
Quote: "Make sure you finish high school above all (in case you lose that job). But definately remove yourself from that place. As far as your nephew goes, I'd follow VanB and others advice. If they aren't providing for him, you need to start documenting the problems (to build a case), then call social services on them. It's better to remove the infant from that situation while they're still young and can't remember much."
You hit the nail on the head.

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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 21:30
I agree with Van and John. At $25/hr, you're looking at taking home around $40k a year. And also by moving out it may force your sister to get her life in order if she wishes to pay rent.


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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 23:01
@Zombie20
That's a good idea, to just pay for the things he needs.

@Insert Name Here
I couldn't do that for reasons I'm about to explain.

@Seppuku Arts
I already have made her aware of my unhappiness, but she just claims she isn't happy either, and then lists all the things I'm doing wrong, or that I'm not doing (Which clearly I am, or if I haven't it's for good reason), and the conversation usually ends with me going on "time out" for some odd minutes, or getting grounded. :/ And, it's not that there's a negative reaction in that, that I don't like, it's that she just treats me like I'm 5, except with all the chores, and schoolwork of someone my age. :/

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Thanks.

@Others
I don't wish to force my sister/guardian/mother of nephew to get a job and basically never see her son again. This is from my own experience, my mom was pretty much never around, and she ended up dieing before I actually even got to know her. She was never home, and I was always at daycare or something (When I was younger). And I remember, very distinctly, that I hated it there.


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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 23:24
Wait...your money supports the family, yet you're not even allowed a bit of democracy because she grounds you if try to get your way. I don't know the situation, but from that she doesn't sound all the nice. You're basically doing what you can to keep things together, by financial support and it sounds to me you obviously care, but she doesn't seem to - at least for your well-being, how you feel and how you're coping. Family relationships work two ways, surely you have some leverage for her to actually listen to you?

I'd consider whatever you can to help your nephew and yourself more than anything...Your future is important, complete high school, once you've done that you'll have more options.

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Posted: 28th Oct 2007 01:18
$25/hour? Unless the job is shoveling dead bodies into a van somewhere, why haven't you taken it yet?

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Posted: 28th Oct 2007 06:58
I agree with Akicat.

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Posted: 28th Oct 2007 07:04 Edited at: 28th Oct 2007 07:09
Me too... Pretty Good pay. approx 4k per month is good unless you haven't graduated college, which is still good either way. NOW YOU CAN GO SEE DOC!!!


Quote: "Not me. Wasn't me who had dozens of BBQ/Pool parties last year for instance.."


Someone seems a bit heartbroken and jealous No offense man.

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Posted: 28th Oct 2007 07:16
Please make sure you finish school mate, your education is very important.

Imporant Issues for Life:

1.Health
2.Happiness
3.Education
4.Home Life *takes in with 2*
5.Working Enviroment is good

It is always honorable that you want to help people but as it has been grossly reiterated throughout this thread, make sure you are in a good position first and foremost. It sounds like you're money is being taken and you're being shat on, its not right and if it is the case then you need to sit your 'guardian' down and let her know that times are a changin..no matter how stressful times are you do not bite the hand that feeds it.

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Posted: 28th Oct 2007 07:31
I agree with sending the clothes and stuff directly after buying it, bring it to him and have him play with it or try it on in front of him, and take some pictures of him in it or something, so if you come back and they mysteriously disappeared you have some evidence.

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Posted: 28th Oct 2007 18:25
Quote: "Me too... Pretty Good pay. approx 4k per month is good unless you haven't graduated college, which is still good either way."


What are you guys talking about 25USD/hr is unheard of in my area. I'm happily earning 11 :/ Of course, that's without a degree...

Quite frankly, I would say he's making that amount up if I didn't think that maybe his area has a very high cost of living.


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Posted: 28th Oct 2007 21:14
$25/hr is absolute minimum if you expect to have a family. That's not that great income IMHO, but maybe that's just because living in my area is so expensive.

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Posted: 29th Oct 2007 01:24
Yes but he's nowhere near looking to set up a family at his age (well I hope not). And it's a hell of a lot more than some people I know are getting.

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Posted: 29th Oct 2007 02:50 Edited at: 29th Oct 2007 04:16
Nevermind, being stupid .


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Quote: "$1000 a week, about $30,000 a month"

How did you arrive at that figure?

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Posted: 29th Oct 2007 02:57


I'm sure Zoto meant $3,000.

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Posted: 29th Oct 2007 03:13
@Jerico2day
Ah, but I'm not.

@Jeku
I think it could be your area? Is the Canadian dollar worth more or less than a USD?

@demons breath
Maaaaaybe I am... jk. No, I'm not.

@Benjamin
I think he meant $4,000. I would be getting $40K a year. Not too bad IMO.

@Aikicat
Pfft, if it was that I'd be rich by now! I mean... Uh...... Ignore what I just said......

@Others
Thanks for the advice. I'm gonna think this all out some more... :/



Cheers,

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Quote: "How did you arrive at that figure? "

By being stupid, editing post now . Sorry, it's late and I've been gone all weekend so I'm tired .


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Posted: 29th Oct 2007 08:25
Quote: "I think it could be your area? Is the Canadian dollar worth more or less than a USD?"


It probably is my area yah. The CDN dollar is worth more than the US dollar now

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@Gil Galvanti
haha, damn need to rest.

@Jeku
Ah, okay.


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